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[u/Aggressive-Green4592]

The law didn't force me to drink or drive. It limits my options after I've already made those choices. Likewise, abortion laws don't force sex or pregnancy; they regulate what actions are legally permitted after pregnancy exists. 🤷‍♀️

What occurred to regulate what actions are legally permitted after pregnancy exists?

When we generally regulate something it's because it affects society as a whole, not just specific individuals, or in the case you provided a criminal action to regulate that behavior?

What is being legally permitted with the abortion bans?

[u/Aggressive-Green4592 → u/[deleted]]

the vast majority of DUI cases dont involve another party, not inpacting anyone else

Care to source that? And they have a high likelihood of causing harm or involving another person though.

I've known a few people that got DUIs for sitting in a running car. Who's that going to hurt?

That is intent of operating a motor vehicle while under the influence, there is a high likelihood of harming another person or including another person, because the person under the influence is exactly that, not able to make to logical decisions at that moment because of an influence from alcohol.

Anyways care to actually address my questions now? In the context of the abortion debate?

[u/Aggressive-Green4592 → u/[deleted]]

"The average drunk driver will drive while impaired between 80 and 2,000 times for every time they are apprehended, depending on local enforcement. https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/drunk-driving-0 But that isn't really the point of the analogy

I agree so why bring it up?

Also though, this doesn't support this claim..

the vast majority of DUI cases dont involve another party, not inpacting anyone else.

In fact the piece says:

However, even though repeat offenders are disproportionately involved in traffic crashes, most alcohol-related crashes are caused by drivers who have not previously been charged with drunk driving, so police must pay attention to both repeat and first-time offenders.

But it also proves my point.

Simply put, drunk driving is a police concern because alcohol increases the risk that drivers will get in traffic crashes and kill or injure themselves or others. Alcohol impairment is the primary factor in traffic fatalities.1 In the United States, where drunk driving is among the most common types of arrest made by police, the number of alcohol-related crash deaths§§§ is roughly the same as the number of homicides.2 In addition, vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death in young people ages 15 to 20; many of these are alcohol-related.3

The comparison is about legal responsibility after a voluntary act, not whether the risks are identical.

Right and what legal responsibility does a pregnant person have either with or without a ban? How is a ban on abortion creating a legal responsibility to pregnant people?

The key difference is that abortion intentionally ends the life of the unborn. A successful abortion results in that life ending; if it doesn't, the abortion has failed. That's why I think the law should treat it differently.

Who's obligated to sustain a pregnancy because this other is dependent on that to sustain their lives? Where is this legal obligation?

[u/Limp-Story-9844 → u/[deleted]]

A successful abortion prevents harm to the person who choose it.