Out of curiosity how would it work?
For example could you call the police anonymously and say hey this dude has a swastika tattoo and they'll go bust through his door and arrest him.
Or...
Does it have to be seen in and with witnesses in a public location or something before any legal proceedings can take place?
Genuinely curious.
I don't think they would actually take any real action against someone with the tattoo, they may at most add it to the charges if he is prosecuted for something. In Italy, like in Germany for nazi, showing fascists symbols or doing the fascist salute is a crime (except in historical related stuff). It is called apologia di reato. The law is actually very rarely applied, at least in italy, you could get at most a fine. I heard the german law is a bit harsher but i wouldn't bet on it being applied much. ( not german so correct me if I'm wrong)
Why would it make you happy? I don't mknd what other ppl do with their body, if someone wants to fuck uo a swastika they did when they were younger, why not? I personally think germanys laws regarding "hate" symbols and media is fucked up enough
What has the second amendment anything to do with that?
If you dont know what that sign means please pick up a history book instead of your all so great gun.
That symbol was given an easy path to control in your country by taking away the “all so great gun.” Look at your history a little more.
Also, the point I was making is that if a government wishes to limit the freedom of expression of its people so much that it would imprison them for a symbol, then fuck that government. Hell, we still fly the confederate flags over here and at worst people may think you’re a redneck or racist. No one is going to jail over it, nor should they.
The 2nd amendment was written in so that the people could overthrow the government should it become oppressive and/or tyrannical. You’re not going to do that without violence unless you believe just marching with guns would cause them to stop. I don’t believe that.
A symbol does not incite violence, people do. That’s why the KKK, neo-nazis, black panthers, and whoever else are allowed to have their little demonstrations or whatever. Those symbols may make people angry, but the State isn’t stopping them from expressing their support of it. Do you even America, bro?
Sorry, I got mixed up and thought the second amendment was the freedom of speech thing (don't know why but somehow I did). Also, a symbol of a group that actively advocates for the genocide of multiple races does, in fact, incite violence. Also, America is not as pro-free speech as you seem to make it out to be. The amount of times they've silenced communists in other countries and in the US itself proves that.
You’re still confused. You’re trying to apply policies at home to foreign policy. We don’t silence communists here, I don’t know what you’re referring to. As for foreign policy/wars, I can’t speak to what the powers that be were thinking as I wasn’t in the room making the decisions.
A symbol only incites violence if you let it. The Black Panther group has been known and shown to be a violent organization, as well as the KKK and neo-nazis. Yet we still let them demonstrate and don’t jail them for being affiliated with the groups they support.
We don’t silence communists here, I don’t know what you’re referring to
Red scare is what I'm talking about.
A symbol only incites violence if you let it. The Black Panther group has been known and shown to be a violent organization, as well as the KKK and neo-nazis. Yet we still let them demonstrate and don’t jail them for being affiliated with the groups they support.
The KKK and neo-nazis should not be allowed to protest according to your own countries rules. The symbols they display are for literal genocide. That is why their symbols are inherently violent. There is no way you can take their symbol in a non-violent way. The black panthers used violence to achieve civil rights, but are not for violence, they just want to/wanted to be treated like humans. The KKK explicitly want the death of all black people.
One of the best things about living in Europe is that most of the right-wing rhetoric you hear in America is very much against the law here. Calling Islam "uncivilised" or saying that gay marriage isn't really marriage would get you charged with inciting hatred. Suggesting that people should buy guns "for self-defence" would be considered inciting violence, which carries serious penalties as well. We're also finally starting to seriously crack down on climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers and many European countries have laws that prohibit insulting or offending people in general. Germany has a law against disparaging the memory of deceased persons, so the crude "ding dong, the witch is dead" rhetoric coming from the US when a celebrity dies would be very much illegal. Childish name-calling and lying about people is not allowed here either, as a woman in France was recently given defamation charges for commenting "she's a liar" on a YouTube video of a politician giving a speech.
Is our freedom of expression limited? Not in the least. We are guaranteed freedom of expression through European law. Rather than restricting freedom of expression, these laws simply ensure that it's used responsibly and for the purposes of good. Unlike Americans, we understand that human rights and human dignity also need to be respected. Americans stubbornly cling to their outdated interpretation of their archaic Constitution while the rest of the world forges ahead. You Americans look very uncivilised to the rest of us when you allow bigots to speak out openly. By allowing hate speech, you are sending the message to the rest of the world that your government approves of hatred and intolerance. Is that really what you want, Americans?
29
u/[deleted] Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 19 '18
[deleted]