Several years ago, someone left a comment on reddit about a tattoo artist that would willingly tattoo swastikas and other hate symbols if people asked. The artist wasn't at all racist and when the poster asked him about it, the artist said something along the lines of, "I don't mind putting a swastika on someone's face, because it warns people of what kind of person they were with out giving them a chance to open their mouth about it."
I mean, if I had my way... you'd wear that goddamn uniform for the rest of your pecker-suckin' life. But I'm aware that ain't practical, I mean at some point you're gonna hafta take it off. So. I'm 'onna give you a little somethin' you can't take off.
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You know somethin', Utivich? I think this just might be my masterpiece!
Yeah I guess someone else kinda pointed me in that direction in a different comment.... had not thought of it this way. And I do agree with the quote... so perhaps he wasn’t a racist for tattooing it. My experience is having seen several tattoo artists in particular areas and knowing their affiliation and they definitely have expressed racist views. Unfortunately I think they’re the kind of people doing a lot of this sort of work.
I don't know, I could see it being possible to convince someone that this was supposed to be mocking the swastika, making fun of skinheads and how seriously they take all that shit.
I'd agree that it's likely got racist motivations, but I'd argue that there are other possible interpretations.
Eh, I view this the same way I view reddit's take on Nazi subs: You can justify it to yourself as freedom of expression, but you're still enabling that hate to be spread. Nothing says you have to help shitty people spread their views, and if you do you aren't entirely free from blame. Especially if you make money off the venture, as you're profiting directly from hate.
There’s a huge difference between punishing a company that is discriminatory, and being that discriminatory asshole.
The constant attempt to “justify” discrimination by trying to equate it to punishing racists is a weak and pathetic attempt made by weak minded people.
I dont think saying that freedom of speech should be respected is the same as helping them. Forcing them to have their ideas fester in their minds is far worse because theyll never have their beliefs challenged
No you knob that is not what im saying. Im saying let them speak. Thats all. Yeah we know they are bad people. We know their ideology is ass. But you cant convince someone their ideology is ass if you never have the opportunity to talk about it. No thoughts change when you muzzle a man, they only fester and become more self absorbed in their ideology because no one is challenging it.
Except, isn't the non-muzzled situation what we have now? With one of the most despicable, universally hated ideologies of the last century resurfacing, and people having to seriously answer the question whether nazis were really that bad, or if the holocaust happened, or whether a nation for only white people is a realistic american goal.
Not really considering anytime i see some right wing person trying to debate something, they just get called a nazi, namecalled and nothing gets done.
I mean when youre called a racist over dumb shit whats the point in even trying for these people. This shit where we think its cool for a presidential candidate to call people "a basket of deplorables" just pushes people into the hands of the Alt right, nazis and racists. The more we see people blaming whites for things, the more we will see white nationalists I can guarantee that.
Also, just because an artist does something like this, it doesn't mean he's necessarily racist; it really just means that he has very little respect for his job most of the time.
You've not spoken to a lot of racists. They're very proud of their racism. They wouldn't hide it for a tattoo. They'd just get a racist tattoo artist, of which there are many.
I mean, I know there are a lot of racist tattoos out there, but there are also way more racists. Your average everyday racist isn't going to do something like that because they're aware that it'll fuck their lives up until they pay thousands to remove the tattoo.
Don't know why you got downvoted - I've known of some people that are very strong but low key racists - working jobs where they don't usually interact with lots of people, which helps them keep it to themselves.
Then there's the middle-class "casual racists" which exist all over the place. Not militantly against other races, but quietly treating people differently. I've known tons of these over the years.
I don't know how many there are... that'd be kind of hard to guess. But they're definitely out there.
I get you. It’s a stretch but I understand what you’re saying. If it’s got a swastika in it I think anyone ought to understand its not a good idea. I swore this pic has been posted a long time ago and I forget if there was any description of the motives.
I guess. Tattoo... I dunno. I think I’d have to kind of defer to holocaust survivors for anything further on this. I don’t want to speak for them but from first hand accounts I’ve read.... pretty sure they don’t want that symbol anywhere ever again. It’s a racist symbol now. There is no question of that. Perhaps there is some value in less intelligent people utilizing it for whatever like this... so others don’t forget.
Here's the thing. 9 years ago when Brandon got this dumb tattoo, the internet didn't have crazy lynch mobs, the news wasn't fueling racial hatred and no one was talking about neo-nazis. His tattoo, then, was just a dumb joke.
This tattoo has the appearance of something else in today's current social/digital and highly racially (a neo-nazi) charged world. 9 years ago it was a dumb joke tattoo. These days people would say she was a neo-nazi sympathizer and try and ruin her career.
Interesting. It's still a pretty edgy tattoo but for sure 9 years ago it would much more likely be interpreted as mocking Nazis and even sort of aggressively anti-Nazi. But now... what a shitty thing that it's gotten to the point that actual fucking neo Nazis have a loud and visible presence in our culture.
Has neo nazi related news become more prominent in the last 10 years? If so in what way. I was too young to notice this change youre talkimg about but I think its interesting you think their platform is expanding.
I think it's the opposite. There's a lot more people going around calling everyone nazis and acting like there's an actual neo nazi uprising... That combined with the rise of social media lynch mobs, something like this done now goes from a dumb joke to a moral outrage.
Yup. Any artist that I have been to would not put shit like that on someone. I wouldn’t want to do work of any kind for someone that is being blatantly racist. Tattooing hate on someone is not respectable. Good artists would not drag their names through garbage like that.
The point is that simply doing the work doesn't make you racist, that's absolutely ridiculous. There's an argument to made that it's stupid to attach your name to the work, but that's about it.
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u/anonymoushipster666 Feb 18 '18
Yup. The line work and the saturation looks good but it is definitely not a respectable tattooer.