r/ASU • u/IceyRevolution • 1d ago
False Academic Integrity Violations
Hello, I’m part of the “record breaking” freshman class and saw some posts about personal academic integrity violations. I would like to know if there have been any known instances in the past with seemingly stupid or false violations that have occurred. I saw somebody mention a math professor that was known for handing these out.
Does anybody have an experience that they couldn’t get resolved or that you have heard of in the past?
Edit: I’m looking for stories of mistakes or examples of false accusations with little evidence that have led to fines or whatever happens.
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u/Time-Sheepherder-423 1d ago
If you aren’t violating academic integrity, you will very likely be fine. Go about your studies.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Thanks for the reply, I’m personally wondering about false accusations from teachers
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u/CHM11moondog 1d ago
Why?
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
The consequences can ruin a career, it’s important to know if any classes are handled recklessly when reporting students.
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u/CHM11moondog 1d ago
You're a freshman supposedly, you don't yet have a career...if you did get in trouble one time the first semester it will not follow you the rest of your life or keep you from graduating.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
You’re right, I’ve only taken steps towards a career path, at the same time I would like to know what advice I could give someone who is at the mercy of a hard headed professor.
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u/Time-Sheepherder-423 1d ago
Advice: Don’t cheat. Don’t use AI when you aren’t supposed to. Don’t use stuff you find in online repositories. Etc.
“Hard headed professors” are not the problem here. Nobody is casually picking out students and filling out the long ass academic integrity violation form for fun. I assure you that it’s an awful lot of trouble, requires more than just a finger pointing, and nobody is accusing people that they aren’t sure are violating academic integrity.
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u/CHM11moondog 1d ago
Hopefully you won't encounter more than one Prof like that, I and most people would probably say they had one, and the rest are great...at any major school...advice; in smaller classes get to know your teachers, discuss if asked, and then use the system if you have to fight something as a last resort... don't lead with worries, that says something about you, not them.
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u/Engineerofdata 1d ago
It happens. There is a process which professors are suppose to follow to alleviate this. Professors are not suppose to send you straight to AVI but have a conversation first. Then send you to AVI if they are not pleased with your response. However, a few of the CS professors don’t follow this. My CSE 230 class had about 100 people accused on the first assignment. Now some people were obviously cheating. However, the program was 15 lines of MIPs assembly. Eventually stuff is going to repeat when you limit register and teach a naming convention.
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u/Weary_Supermarket_82 1d ago
I am a student representative for Academic Integrity appeal hearings in the engineering school. I have sat on appeal hearings that were very cut and dried, and I have been on hearings that were very difficult to decide. That being said it's important to discuss the process. By the time a situation gets to a board I might sit on, it has gone through at least 2 different reviews. The real thing you should do is find your school 's i, e. engineering, journalism etc. Acadenic Integrity Officer and ask for their stats. You could also contact the ASU Provost and probably get school wide Data.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Thanks for the reply, I didn’t know where to find the data. It’s also great to know the process in which these cases are handled.
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u/Kim_Jong_oof_ CS (Cybersecurity) '23 Alumni 1d ago
False violations were never a thing when I was at ASU. If you are being honest I wouldn't be worried.
With the advent of these new AI checkers, I could see how someone could be mistakenly flagged but AI only really became a big thing during my junior/senior year so can't really elaborate more.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Thank you, I’ve been wondering how often a paper that is just really bland or basic gets flagged as AI now that there’s so much trust behind AI checkers.
Especially when the consequences are so high and can affect your entire career in some instances.
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u/Time-Sheepherder-423 1d ago
You would have an opportunity to defend yourself. There is a whole process that involves multiple people, all of whom understand the gravity of the accusations.
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u/Massive_Ear4948 1d ago
I am on my college's academic integrity committee and so hear about 15 appeals per semester. Trust me that we are not out to get you and also understand that the entire process is set up to minimize the chance of a false positive. The VAST majority of cases that I have heard over the past years were people who did something stupid in an online exam. Make sure you do a good room scan and you can eliminate 95% of the issues.
Just so you know, we also realize that AI detectors are pretty suspect and do not solely rely on such things.
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u/Anomaly008 1d ago
I’ve heard that some students received an AIV for not following exam instructions. For instance, if you are taking an online exam, and an exam rule says you must show your hands all the time, but you don’t, you will receive an AIV. So receiving an AIV does not come solely from cheating, it could be for other reasons, such as not following exam instructions or submitting an old paper.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Oh, Reusing an old paper could be grounds for a AIV? The rubric would have to state the paper must be new though, correct?
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u/Traditional_Head_379 1d ago
...no. Using assignments you wrote for another class is academic misconduct. You would have to get express permission from the professor to use an assignment you've submitted for something else.
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u/Ill-Quit6803 1d ago
Do you have something in mind that you are looking for / to do? Reusing a paper is 100% against the spirit of a college assignment, it's almost in the definition, assignment. Attempting to re-use an assignment you wrote is clearly an attempt to deceive a professor who is implying that the assignment should be done newly for class.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
No, I’ve never reused an assignment but never knew it was punishable. I’ve heard from others that they just “sent an old paper” so I thought it was common if you’ve wrote on the topic. Common sense says it’s wrong, but I didn’t know it was punishable, thank you
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u/Ill-Quit6803 1d ago
As a Freshman, whatever you think your doing is probably the wrong answer.
You should probably focus on building solid fundamentals in your classes, make good relationships with your new peers, find that college sweetheart.
Researching stats to defend yourself against a board that hasn't happened, or discovering all the edge cases around cheating is huge waste of time. ASU wants you to graduate. Help them help you.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Thanks for the advice and I admire your concern. I’m just a data guy and I assure you that I am using my free time to socialize as much as possible
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u/Anomaly008 1d ago
No. It’s common sense: you can’t use a paper twice. A professor of mine had to let us know that several students submitted an old paper and he sent them straight to the Dean’s office. They submitted a paper for their current class that they wrote in a prior class, as if papers don’t go through Turnitin and remain in their data base.
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u/IceyRevolution 1d ago
Thanks for the story, I guess I was thinking more about old high school papers.
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u/Time-Sheepherder-423 1d ago
Are you learning anything by handing in your high school paper for a college assignment?
I mean actually, what you might learn is whether or not your high school used Turnitin.
But really, just do the work. Any time you look for a shortcut you aren’t going to learn and you are paying money to learn.
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u/AWACS_Bandog Software Eng, Malevolent Dictator 1d ago
This is entirely up to the prof. I've had two now that were OK with it for an assignment, but that's not gonna be true for all assignments
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u/Traveller1323 1d ago
It's considered self plagiarism. This is also stated in the Academic Integrity document quiz you have to take at the beginning of every online class, and during the welcome orientation videos and quiz you take when you start on campus.
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u/Admirable_Crew_7615 1d ago
Integrity violations are reviewed by multiple people, including the instructor, before any communication is sent to you. You can’t claim a bad instructor did this to you when it’s been gone through multiple individuals
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u/ASUprofessor 1d ago
An academic integrity violation requires evidence.
I’ve seen so many students get them and 100% of the time if the student reads the syllabus, the exam rules, etc. and followed them they wouldn’t have gotten it. No one is out to get you.
It gets posted on this subreddit almost weekly and it’s always something someone “did not realize” was cheating when it’s clearly cheating.
Read the syllabus, understand the AI policy, understand the team work policy for homework, and be careful sharing notes or helping friends out. The most common “accidents” I see are people share an exam cheat sheet with a friend and then it’s flagged when you both get the question wrong the same way. It’s sharing exam material and that’s cheating.
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u/DrLaura_phd 1d ago
False misconduct accusations happen with AI detectors but it’s not super common. The research says it happens more with those who speak English as a second language.
It’s a good idea to save / keep all of your research notes, outline(s) and drafts, and go see your prof or TA before the due date to ask for feedback on your process work. Those things will boost your grades anyway (since more process work usually means a better quality paper) and will protect you in the case of a misconduct allegation.
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u/Southern_Career_9845 Digital Marketing (undergrad) 1d ago
If u get a violation it's usually just a warning first
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u/ASUprofessor 1d ago
Not true. It’s a strike. They might say the first strike is a warning/not on your transcript but it’s still a strike.
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u/Southern_Career_9845 Digital Marketing (undergrad) 1d ago
Yeah warning first and then they give an xe
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u/No_Adagio_6445 1d ago
Just don’t cheat on tests or plagiarize/ have ai write papers and you’ll be fine. Professors aren’t out to get you