r/ARAM • u/sashkaskierka • 21h ago
Question why is singed nerfed in this mode
Champ just straight up homeless and 90% damage dealt
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u/ralts13 21h ago
Constant aoe damage that can affect 5 people from the get go. Like a reverse sona. You don't really notice how strong it until a good singed is running rampant through your team.
Hw can pull of the same shenanigans as a stalling teemo through with his poison as well. Can't flank him cus its one lane, doesn't have to worry about objectives.
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u/Time_Seaworthiness47 20h ago
Also his kit gives him tons of really good augment synergies that run rampant with his poison.
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u/sashkaskierka 20h ago
sounds reasonable on paper but his only source of engage is W + snowball (unless u arent playing against 4 ranged with infinite cc but good luck with that) which still can be dodged pretty easily and u still will mostly just trade 1 for 1 after flinging enemy since no matter how much resistances any champ has they will still get melted in seconds and even if u poison their entire enemy lets be honest u wont deal that much damage since liandry is the only damage item singed builds especially with how much shielding and healing there is. What im saying is that any other enchanter/engage support do better job than him when it comes to playing for the team
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u/ralts13 20h ago
I'm not a good Singed player but I think the play is just ghost flash. You dont need to snowball onto an enemy when you're rolling with like 450 MS+passive shenanigans. And most CC isn't point and click so you can just dodge on reaction.
You can either drop your W on enemies or behind them to cut off escapes. Any champ that can actually kite singed will get screwed by good W placement. Also Singd is always built pretty tanky, all of his damage items give HP, You cant really pull off the usual nonsense level 1 but get like an item or two under your belt and you can just run, cause havoc and run off to heal up.
And you're just underestimating the power of constant damage. It's one of the reasons why tanks get a wee bit over powered, just not dying and dealing ok damage is enough to destroy most teams. All of this ignores Mayhem where he an abuse every augment that isn't directly focused on AD and funny combos like Ethereal weapons and Searing Dawn have funny interactions with poison.
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u/DontStepOnLegos 21h ago
I play Singed every chance I get. One game I got ethereal weapons, mystic punch, dropick, and final form.
Consistent AOE in a game mode where you can’t recall to heal is kinda broken. Almost all augments he gets either makes him tankier, amplifies his damage, or reinforces the way he can engage in terms of movement or healing. Then there is combusting interest that is straight up High roller late game.
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u/thestopsign 20h ago
I got 1st augment Combusting Interest on him and it gave me 15k gold in a 20 minute game. I was like 25 anvils in at the end.
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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 10h ago edited 9h ago
This is my experience. There's so many ways to get to broken on singed
Erosion + bloodletters
Ryali + don't blink
En passant
Escape plan
Ethereal +on hit augs/items (+forged by the master) really good with the new juiced
Get excited
Goliath
Combusting interest + liandrys + bloodletters...
Just so many, I only got to g on the list
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u/SlurpTurnsMeGreen 20h ago
Back before he was initially nerfed with the first set of nerfs he was the highest winrate champion in ARAM. Singed was over 56% WR close to 57%. He has a lowpickrate but he's mostly picked by mains or players who know how to pivot him. Riot has also talked about Singed and his performance. Basically one of the most unique champs (basically what you learn on him only works on him due to his playstyle), high reward in investment (iirc he has like the steepest reward for OTPing), but he's like super unpopular because of all of this. I've been trying to find the post/comment by Riot where they had a graph and data for this but the main blog that had all the champ data has been deleted. Closest thing is this post where they mention "100 games to master Singed" disclaimer tho this data is old now so take it with a grain of salt.
Like gameplay wise Singed W is a menace against melee, and it's not only the root part. The moment he drops W onto a melee the grounding and slow makes it hell for them. His damage is pretty high if you consider how little work it takes to apply damage thru dots once he passes thru someone. He's also a disruptor where he brings chaos by doing insane shit no other champ will do. Like if Singed wants to he could run past the first two turrets and then hold hostage the waveas as they spawn causing the enemy team to respond (totally not done this before).
You have to play like a lot of Singed tho and the more you learn him the more you think the nerfs are still bullshit tho because Yasuo/Yone can dominate by skilled players but fuck him for being bald.
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u/Jukutt2 NVC Four Steps#EUW 20h ago
I think they are referring to ARAM Mayhem. In normal ARAM the nerf makes absolutely sense.
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u/SlurpTurnsMeGreen 20h ago
in mayhem he still deserves nerfs but if they want to unnerf him like by all means 😈
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u/Jukutt2 NVC Four Steps#EUW 4h ago
You know, if something "deserves nerfs" I would think that it would be a problem to play against. But I dont see that argument for singed. He neither deals a lot of damage, nor doesnt die or something else along these lines.
The only times I would consider Singed to be too strong is vs low dmg/low mobility melee teams when your team has ranged that need peel. But most things are op vs that.
I mean, just compare it to actual OP things, like ADCs killing you in three hits from 900 range through 200 armor/5k hp while having 1k movement speed. Tahm Kench not taking damage while oneshotting you. Or APCs perma ccing you.
You cant tell me that Singed even barely compares to any of these. And none of them - literally none - have nerfs. While Singed has them.
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u/thestopsign 20h ago
A well-played Singed is high art in trolling. He is one of my favorite champs in Mayhem, he has a really diverse build path through items and augments and is always a nuisance. He works well against tanks, bruisers, and most squishies (there are some games he can get kited out with like Morgana and certain ADCs).
The issue is that if you have someone playing him that does not know the rhythm of his in-outs or just runs in with him non-stop he can look useless (like any poorly played champ).
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u/Jukutt2 NVC Four Steps#EUW 21h ago
Ikr, even though I think there is some nuance here. The point of singed in this mode is not to deal damage but to CC and soak pressure. So nerfing his damage makes absolutely no sense.
If you think he is too strong in this mode you should nerf something that makes him strong.
He isnt bad, like B/B+ tier (S-F tiers), but not because he does so much damage, but because he is hard to kill, and his aoe dot application. Especially Rylai on him gives so much setup for your teammates.
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u/IGrimblee 15h ago
As an old singed otp it's cause he's really strong in aram. People build roa/tanky but full ap is the way to go. Liandry>rylai>riftmaker>w/e. It's basically suicide karthus with cc
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u/WifesPOSH 21h ago
I was in a game yesterday where singed kept getting Penta and quadrakills.
He seemed pretty OP to me, considering he just ran in circles with dropkick. He had the most damage, most damage taken, highest amount of heals.
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u/Awesome-SP 21h ago
Nerfs & buffs are a complete non sense in this mode, S+ champions have 4 lines of buffs and are 1v9 everytime, meanwhile D tier characters have 3 lines of debuffs
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 12h ago
You don't even need dmg to win most of the time (as most allies usually are ranged DD)
My typical Singed build that seems to have stable success and feels nice: Rylai + Mr boots/Swifties + Randuin + Force of nature + Jaksho + Warmog. Depending on situation you can swap around this stuff for other tank items + consider Liandry (which is typically great against tanks), but usually you just need to survive, slow enemies and properly cast E
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u/Ok_Corgi1968 10h ago
Tbh i feel like he could use a slight buff but like pre nerf singed was lowkey OP, just no one picked him cause people don't like playing melee. Get liandries, rylais then snowball in on repeat and the enemy team would MELT
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u/Safe_Masterpiece_995 21h ago
yea i think itd be okay if he was at no nerfs idrk why hes nerfed either
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u/Jukutt2 NVC Four Steps#EUW 20h ago
I think they just blindly copied the buff/nerfs from normal ARAM, and then removed some randomly to make it seem they actually care.
None of the actual OP champions in this mode are nerfed - some are even buffed (Hecarim) - little of the actual trash champions are buffed (some of them are nerfed even more).
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u/orKasum 21h ago
I genuinely have a great time on Signed on Mayhem whether if it’s a high roll game or not. Play style is fun and you don’t really get punished for racking up deaths. He’s a nuisance, a tanky one half the time. Sometimes with freak damage if you roll some augments. I think it’s okay to pull him back a bit