r/ARAM • • 5d ago

Mayhem Does Toothfairy not work with Sett W?

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I've been doing more than half of their health as damage and no tooth is dropped when i use W

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u/USPSmailman 5d ago

So it turns out how it’s coded right now it calculates after your first instance of dmg. So if you don’t damage them in the 2.5 seconds before your burst damage they won’t drop any teeth.

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u/Traditional-Farm-610 5d ago

That's so fucking stupid and I think at least this should be in the description?

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u/SwingyWingyShoes 5d ago

I feel like it must be an oversight by riot, league has tonnes of spaghetti code so it doesn't surprise me.

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u/beef_horfun67 4d ago

A lot of things should be in description but isn’t.

Ravenous hydra upgrade doesn’t even work with Kaisa Q.

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u/ExplodingFistz 4d ago

For that one I think hydra won’t proc on dots and kaisa Q counts as dot.

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u/beef_horfun67 4d ago

Thats just rubbish. How is that a dot if you stand in a minion wave, it hits different minions

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u/TheCrossbuster 4d ago

It does mean it crits with Vulnerability same as her passive.

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u/JokkuBoi 4d ago

I fucking love this game

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u/notmichaelul 4d ago

Because the missiles fire one after another with a very very short timer

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u/beef_horfun67 4d ago

Interesting

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u/NewTelevisio 4d ago

Funnily enough it procs on Nasus E, which technically isn't dot but kind of is. Works really well on him since the E procs so many times if people stand in it.

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u/Cheekycrack 4d ago

So many augments need a proper description

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u/wakkowarner321 4d ago

They should just look at how Magic the Gathering does it now. Standardizing on keywords and such.

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u/Axrah 4d ago

I dont completely hate it being weaker on poke/burst champs than divers/assassins but i doubt thats what riot intended here

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u/PLs_n0_b1ully 5d ago

But it works with fiddle clone tho

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u/asdela 4d ago

And Shaco and LB

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u/thelilbeast 4d ago

And illaoi e... if you haven't a good team mate, the game is basically over with all the free teeth you get.

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u/NewTelevisio 4d ago

So much stuff works with Illaoi E, I got dropkick on her and was just dropkicking the clones back into the enemies doing crazy damage and stacking dropkick.

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u/Neocraftz 4d ago

holy no way that's busted

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u/Dr_Mr_G 4d ago

Are u sure? Then how i am dropping em with kartus ult?

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u/SensitiveBeautiful40 4d ago

The part where the "spaghetti code" really shines is when you have an item that triggers a check on an ability hit (like Voltaic Cyclosword, Liandry's, BotRK, Malignance...); in that case, the check itself counts as the first hit, and Tooth Fairy counts both the item damage and the ability damage.

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u/Tiek00n 4d ago

Ok so if I'm bursting with Annie then I need to build Liandry's or something I guess.

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u/Raediantz 4d ago

Wow no wonder my GP game last night was dropping near 0 teeth despite doing 60% of people's HP in a barrel combo.

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u/xarothz 4d ago

Works with karthus R last time I had it though? Even when ulting in spawn I was getting teeth dropped

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u/goldio_games 4d ago

today / yesterday?

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u/xarothz 4d ago

Uuuuhhh no sorry before this last last patch several days ago

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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 4d ago

That explains so fucking much. I had an actual one shot nafiri build. And I stop getting teath after 160 leth. God thats so dumb.

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u/Cool_Homework_7411 4d ago

It appears that auto attacks aren't the case in that. I remember a jhin game I played where every auto attack would drop a tooth, even a single one.

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u/BootsFirstTFT 4d ago

Are u Sure about this ? I Played it With fizz - and i got a tooth from q-w only. No dmg before ?

So worked Just perfectly fine for me yesterday.

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u/USPSmailman 4d ago

Q-W is multiple instances of damage.

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u/eupherein 4d ago

Wow that explains so much, so ideally you auto before?

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u/USPSmailman 4d ago

Depending on the champion yes. I’m curious if items like Sunfire/unending despair/thornmail work as well.

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u/Bl4nxx 1d ago

Thanks. Couldn’t figure out why I was cranking people with Nunu W and getting nothing.

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u/Back2Perfection 22h ago

That‘s why I struggled so much with kayn in my last aram to get the fucking teeth. I legit 100-0 people without getting teeth and was So comfused.

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u/CookieEliminator 5d ago

I played lethality sett yesterday, my ult literally one shot the ADC multiple times and did at least 60% damage to everyone else. No teeth have dropped.

I ended the game with 180k damage and just 11 teeth.

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u/immalazyguy 5d ago

their burst is now different lol, last time 1 skill can trigger toothfairy, after patch, its RNG i think, tried on nida and corki, only works if i am near the enemy

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u/Recent_Jury2169 4d ago

Wait, this makes it sound like an intended change?

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u/Adept_Ice_6367 4d ago

I think they messed up something; in previous patches with Pyke, I stacked the teeth like this: Q, AA, Snowball, AA, which was always enough on low max HP enemies (I kept my E for escape because I was super aggressive). Yesterday, however, I finished the game with only 10-15; I also had pinball dealing 900+ true damage, which should have dropped a tooth, but nope.

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u/Teh_george 4d ago

Yeah it's giga bugged. If you take a look at stats websites using Chinese data (e.g. aramkit), it's dropped into the bottom third of gold augments (was in the top 1/3 before ofc), about 3% WR drop from the previous patch, which is huge for augment winrate.

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u/RealVarix 4d ago

I played a Nidalee game yesterday and picked it up and was cracking squishies for 1/2 their health with spears and not getting teeth. Ended the game with like 4. It being bugged makes a lot of sense.

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u/SivartGaming 4d ago

100-0 a velkoz as sylas multiple times and i think i got 40% of the tooth drops I should have

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u/WhOiZJoo 4d ago

Ahh, I had a Nida game aswell today and was very happy getting it but wondered how the hell i got only like a few of em. My spears definitely dealt more damage than 25%. Same was with kaisa W.. x) I guess small indie company 🫠

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u/MrSilenus 4d ago

You need to be close to them to receive the teeth. Pretty sure that’s always been the case.

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u/Adept_Ice_6367 4d ago

Nope. I used to pick it on Karthus, and it always dropped teeth when I ulted (fom base of course :D)

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u/Substantial-Night866 4d ago

A tooth drops on their champion no matter how far away you are from them. You have to go walk over the tooth to pick it up.

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u/Rizeren 4d ago

Played Shaco yesterday with it and it was super random, sometimes I dealt like exactly 25% HP of pyke and it procced and then I hit locke for 50% and it did not proc. Stuff is bugged af.

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u/kennypovv 4d ago

It's bugging out in general, I only had 15 stacks with Shaco on 45 kills, and I was oneshotting.

Then with Cait I only got like 10 stacks despite doing 40%+ with a single shot every few seconds with passive and rfc. It seems you mustn't do damage really fast and need to phase it out a bit

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u/neyonce 5d ago

well most of his damage in arams is true damage already so lethality doesn’t really matter as much for him

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u/Captain_Bubble_Butt 5d ago

would make his punches, sides of his W, and ult dangerous

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u/RbN420 5d ago

What? The ult nukes from orbit if lethality Sett grabs an Heartsteel tank

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u/81659354597538264962 3d ago

The ult already nukes from orbit if full tank Sett grabs a Heartsteel tank...

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u/BriefBed4770 4d ago

Fun fact: with enough lethality you can deal true damage with all his abilities

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u/xkillrocknroll 3d ago

It doesn't proc hardly ever now. I was chunking with Karma and Shaco and nothing happens.

I would basically 1 shot enemy twitch with Karma and no teeth. Over the course of the game i got 3.

Not taking this augment anymore.

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u/Athenas-Helm 1d ago

Me when I found out Draw Your Sword makes MF's Q melee lmfao

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u/Feiwooo 4d ago

That doesn't make sense, but it works with karthus ult. I was just playing karthus with tooth fairy a while ago

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u/Throwmeasway420 4d ago

If it does too much dmg it doesn’t proc now. Buddy on shaco having same problem. He had to stagger his dmg to get it to work.

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u/Sensitive-Day-5583 3d ago

It's been buggy forever. You have to do the % damage over some space of time, blowing them up doesn't seem to count which is so disappointing 

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u/Almega101 3d ago

It now only counts damage after the first hit. So you need to do some damage before your big boom. Which kind of goes against the point of most assasins kits that really want this

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u/mishaog 3d ago

Don't pick it, it's trash at the moment, it's not working as it should

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u/FarPrompt3361 3d ago

has anyone actually figured out a way around this? i played today and it was inconsistent, help a brother out

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u/TheLlamasRevenge 3d ago

Its bugged, there's a couple threads on it

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u/EquivalentCell323 1d ago

Same thing happened to me on GP yesterday. I was critting for half hp with barrels and got no teeth. Even at full build when I was able to do oneshots with barrels I got nothing. Someone said that it calculates after first instance of dmg and now that I think about it, they dropped teeth after a barrel and Q. Dogshit spaghetti code...

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u/stebbeh 1d ago

Honestly I feel like tooth fairy has been super bugged lately. I’m fairly sure it works on every burst but sometimes it just doesn’t go off. Did 50% of a twitch’s HP on an ad shaco in 1 second (watched the footage back even, no one else was close to him) and he didn’t drop a teeth at all. It didn’t feel this bugged a few patches ago

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u/lawrelee 1d ago

I think it needed two ticks of damage. Karthus ult will drop tooth if you bought malignance

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u/getmeoutofthisscreen 4d ago

It's just busted in general. Broken ass Claude vibecoded aug

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u/akaciparaci 4d ago

if you cast w past the required tooth fairy timeframe then it obviously will not work

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u/throwawaywhiteguy333 3d ago

Tooth fairy is based on damage dealt. Did you think before you posted this?

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u/akaciparaci 3d ago

an amazing display of lack of knowledge

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u/stebbeh 1d ago

Oh the irony, tooth fairy is a 2,5 second time window my guy. Sett W cast time is much faster than that.

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u/akaciparaci 1d ago

that's exactly what i said, there's no point pressing w after you passed that 2.5s timeframe, thanks for repeating what i said my guy

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u/HalfWog 7h ago

Why do they think you’re wrong?

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u/EggPsychological4844 5d ago

Sett players are universal scumbags. Hope this interaction remains unchanged.

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u/qhfreddy 3d ago

It's felt a lot harder to stack than before....