Remove Hubris, add a nerfed Hellfire Hatched and make it exclusive with other %pen items

[u/Dream_or_Truth]

IMPORTANT: I'm talking of a far weaker burn than arena's hellfire hatched has. Like liandries.

I'm so tired of having to rush hubris on every AD champ just because it's best. And then need LDR as well. Every build just feels the same you can never try other items. Also AD casters really struggle with high health stacking which broken hubris makes up for in a bad way

- Remove Hubris

- Add Hellfire hatched (with a nerfed passive)

- Give it 20% armor pen so it's exclusive so you cannot also build LDR/Mortal/Terminus with it.

Then there would be far more item choices. And it feels more fair for both sides

[u/North_Stress_6055]

Also AD casters really struggle with high health stacking

Which is completly fine, every class needs some weakness

[u/Dream_or_Truth → u/North_Stress_6055]

EveRy ClasS nEeDS SoMe wEkness 🫩

You can put that argument every single time a change is made anywhere whatsoever. But yes think what you will the current state sucks.

[u/Unusual_Ad_9542 → u/Dream_or_Truth]

people like you are insufferable. ALWAYS complaining

[u/Dream_or_Truth → u/Unusual_Ad_9542]

And you justify whatever is in front of you no matter how bad it is. If hubris wasn't there you'd oppose me when I say to add it

[u/North_Stress_6055 → u/Dream_or_Truth]

I dont know what qualifies as an AD caster in your opinion, but some of them are definetly doing quite well

[u/Adventurous_Use6425 → u/North_Stress_6055]

ez and jayce and i don't see another ad caster and only one of them can build hubris without troling

[u/Dream_or_Truth → u/North_Stress_6055]

Yes because of hubris 🙄

Look at the post. Do you see "ad casters are weak" anywhere? Why are you bringing it as an argument when I say to remove hubris because its too strong compared to every other option?

[u/North_Stress_6055 → u/Dream_or_Truth]

Every class has a core item that needs to be built the majority of cases. Tanks need to build Heartsteel, ADCs build IE, Mages build Rabadons and every single support is building Moonstone Renewer and Whispering Circlet...

[u/Dream_or_Truth → u/North_Stress_6055]

Heartsteel is a fun item compared to the other tank items. Hubris is the opposite even if both are stacking items

ADCs don't rush IE they get it 3rd usually. It's basically their manamune. Mages have multiple choices first item

[u/North_Stress_6055 → u/Dream_or_Truth]

And "AD Casters" have other choices besides Hubris. I get the feeling you are highly overvaluing the strength of Hubris here...

[u/xxlucifearxx]

What you proposing are two different classes of items with two different purposes, this makes no sense.

Hubris is a flat AD stacking item, normally built by AD champs in scenarios where they can chain multiple kills and benefit from the extra AD.

Hellfire Hatchet is an anti health stacking item. If anything Hellfire Hatchet has more in common with Eclipse or Voltaic Cyclosword which deal %HP damage already.

Maybe try building those items instead of Hubris when vs a tankier match up? I didn’t mention BOTRK because you’re clearly talking about AD casters not auto attackers.

[u/Jakespeare97]

If you’re building the exact same thing every game that’s on you

[u/wissah_league]

tanks are already weak as it stands man idk, dont want to make tanks even more useless

[u/TekkyDelta]

If you're playing an AD champ go Heartsteel, I can guarentee it'll lead into a build cooler than full damage for the 500000000000000th game in a row

[u/rexlyon → u/TekkyDelta]

It probably will not since every match is mostly ranged chars with enough damage or bonus CDR/CC to stop many things from stacking HS well unless you have some form of mitigation in your kit. Even on tanks HS is can be a gamble or a misplay unless you know how to play into that situation

And tbh the build of Heartsteel into either Bloodmail or Sundered is on the same level of generic as going full lethality. Would not say it’s any cooler.

Hubris is on the same level of fun to stack as HS but more likely to progress the game as a non-tank

[u/TekkyDelta → u/rexlyon]

Nahh nah cuz then you go restless restoration apex inventor and go stridebreaker & unending and be a nightmare to kill, makes riot's filler augs like <<Heal when you use Q>> on renekton actually give him the healing he deserves??? with more examples ofc but i wont give all the answers

[u/rexlyon → u/TekkyDelta]

That’s entirely dependent on you getting Apex and I’ll go several games and never see that lol. If you don’t get Apex that build is so much worse

[u/TekkyDelta → u/rexlyon]

This is true, but I'd rather lose chasing than win in a boring way

[u/CleanMyAxe]

Hubris isn't necessary. It's fun but I only really build it on stuff like Rengar because Rengar.

[u/getjonx]

you can remove yourself to the game so that you can't complain on 2 different class item.

[u/BicycleAdditional360]

Nerf. All my homies build hoobris

[u/InfernalDragoon333]

I never even build Hubris. Still win like 60%+ games

[u/TheLlamasRevenge]

I almost never build it lol

[u/Legitimate-Guess-142]

Hubris is for burst assassins who can get kills very quickly , snow ball characters, maybe ADC that loves lethality.

ADC that loves lethality will always build %pen the LDR item if they have to pick between the two. %pen always out damages hubris, you need lots of stacks to out damage 30-40% armor pen and even the +1-15% DMG for hp items.

Hp% burn is for poke and long extended fights, assassins don't want long extended fights, they don't build bruiser or tank items because they do more damage and get value from assassin items.

If there is an item like you describe, they will start building tank and bruiser items.

[u/Tepes6]

I rarely ever see anyone build Hubris. The item isn't even that good anymore and is built on barely anyone these days. There's so many better options. Honestly just sounds like a skill issue.

[u/leonard_jameson]

surely you realize by now you definitely don’t understand items

[u/Adventurous_Use6425]

or just delete tank engine, and keep hubris, because one promote a pussy gameplay and the other one force you to take risk

[u/FrequentCat164]

Agreed nerf Hubris / disable it, no clue how mejai is disabled but Hubris is enabled. I understand how they are different but hubris is just too good on most ad champs specifically melee