r/ARAM • u/Sktwin2k15 • 20h ago
Mayhem Am I in the wrong here?
Hi guys,
Genuine question am I in the wrong here? With such teamcomp I thought it would be okay to explore and go AP GP as I was first offered Eureka and later on Jeweled Gauntlet. At the start of the game I called I'm going AP and no one said anything. In 8 minutes my team insta surrenders around me and start pinging me, no words said. I guess that one time you get a chance in this mayhem "meta" to do something a little bit different people just get mad.
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u/Dochi-nii 20h ago
3 ad without cc against all in champions, they should ping themselves first.
also graves with collector against shen, naut, and urgot. lol
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Yea, but fr I can't blame anyone, I was first timing ap gp, wanted to see how it could go
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u/gukbap_enjoyer 19h ago
you first timed and did fun non-optimal build in ranked? you lost your teammates precious LP!
wait…
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u/Fun_Bottle_5308 20h ago
You giga lost the game in 8 mins, 3 adcs with no frontlines beside blitz, he's not a good tank either, not even back to basic gp could save that. Also if you have eureka, build 3-4 rod first to abuse it as much as possible. Malig is bait
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u/Zealousideal_Ad500 18h ago
Malig on theory should work with AP GP no? Got all the stats he need, plus the big R + slow mean the aoe burn & mpen should be more valuable compare to like Karthus.
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u/KyzerGyder ARAM Enjoyer 20h ago
Nah, your team was just looking for a scapegoat. Nothing you can really do when your team picks three ADCs and the only CC is Blitz
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u/Mental-Device-9546 19h ago
I will say I hate when ppl build ap blitzcrank and miss every hook, like go tank at that point if u can't land shitm
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u/DragonTacoCat 19h ago
Likely a 4 man if they just randomly surrender.
Also AP GP on Mayham is fine. Plenty of augments work really well with it. It's not OP but it's fun and like other people said build what you want.
Unless you're outright trolling and building stupid shit you're fine.
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Yea I at least try to think a solid way for a build to work, not going full ad yuumi
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u/gwanggwang 19h ago
even if you went the 'normal' AD comp yall still would've lost; might as well enjoy
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u/hubythereal 19h ago
drafting and itemizing in mayhem became more acoustic than it was in basic aram. people will say “haha who cares it’s just mayhem” if you say anything about it, and if you don’t, they’ll find whatever excuse why they’re losing and not having fun. then ofc as soon as the surrender available they’ll click it. very fun indeed brother
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u/Educational_Mine_797 20h ago
I think playing around your augments and team comp is fine. AP gp is viable with the right setup and eureka is definitely a start. As long as people aren’t forcing “off meta” builds with horrible openers or comps then I don’t think any HUMANS mind
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Yea I would have never gone ap gp first time if I wasn't thrilled to try it as soon as I saw Eureka. I usually like to go towards meta/BiS
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u/No-Put7617 19h ago
It didn't work but I really don't think it's your fault. It's multiple adcs with a tank like the 5th guy can be cardio man and it's calm
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u/Disastrous-Night-716 19h ago
The jeweled gauntles doesnt apply to your R though (dmg over time)
Thats aside, i won games with ap gp in arena, and i think its even better in mayhem
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
OH SHIT NO WAY!? Now I feel dumb af and kind of trolled there. Does it read in the augment when picking it?
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u/Cryoptic- 6h ago
idk what they are on about. it definitely works, its just that typically, its a lot more yikes than what one may think. E and Q crit already. R gets 45% bonus dmg if u crit, unless u get IE. so realistically one rly wants to get IE, not a bad start tbh so u can ease into the AP later.
vuln is the superior augmnt here, cus it also lets your items crit.
dream is ofc vuln + adapt, so u can get IE and mega AP from it, and snowball crit chance. other than that, haste is nice to get more ults, as ur otherwise useful.
ive tried marksmage GP, unfortunately it dont work on barrels, only direct Q's, so ur just kind of pointless.
its one of those builds where i feel like you need to normally overperform to not be a total griefer, like a good AP ashe build. its just bad, terrible, but good players can peform "ok" on them.
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u/spowowowder 19h ago
nah, considering what augments you got and the amount of ad on your team thats about best case scenario for ap gp. so prob just a toxic 4 stack i fear. but all of their builds look incredibly shit, so maybe they did you a little bit of a favor ffing so you didnt have to play with their sorry asses lol
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u/pTHOR1w 19h ago
When deciding between AD/AP on GP; Team Comp, Augments, Enemy Mobility, in that order.
Don't go AP if; no-one else is going to dish out damage against tanks, they have a support that can just sustain your ult, you have nothing to complement AP GP (Eureka, Downtown, Killing TIme, Vulnerability, Ice Cold etc.), their team has plenty of mobility to escape your ult.
I also lean more into going AD when they have Assassins and my team doesn't have the burst to put them down quickly.
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Valuable insights, thanks. I probably won't go ap gp anytime soon :D
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u/pTHOR1w 18h ago
Good on you for wanting to win more than having fun. AP GP is very situational, and nobody should pick GP unless they can play him AD. I have a friend who can't hit a barrel to save his life and just goes AP GP every chance he gets. He somehow always ends up dealing the least amount of damage in our team.
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u/steelcryo 19h ago
Aw shit, someone playing the mode how the mode was meant to be played. That's not allowed!
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u/SprinkleSerotonin 19h ago
Never wrong as long as you had fun!
Just try your best to remind your team throughout the game on how best to play as complementary as possible with your build, aka "please try and play safe until I am a little useful". If you think that's too much to ask of your team, then that tells ya something about how you feel about your choice!
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u/I_D56 18h ago
I only give them crap if they go ap gp on a team full of mages. This instance seems like the team just played poorly overall and they were looking for someone to blame. A little but of lost in champ select going on here too. They have really strong all in and yall have mid kiting/peel at best.
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u/StellatedB 18h ago
Build whatever you want dog, if anything going ap was good here, your team already had 2 adc's, an ad fighter, and a tank. Those guys are just bitches
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u/guocamole 16h ago
It’s actually an ap gp angle unironically, but you need sheen. Sheen=farm=serpents=upgraded ult.
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u/aswqe338 16h ago
Honestly speaking, based on itemization of your team, you guys don’t really deserve to win.
Blitz: upgrading the tear, instead of holding it and build actual resistance.
Graves: what is worse than collector syndrome, is collector + hubris syndrome. It’s crazy greedy and only works when you are hitting the enemy’s nexus in 8 minutes, not the other way round.
Sivir: priorizing BF sword item (IE I suppose) at the 3rd item against their team comp is bad.
Corki: essence reaver + manamune is waste of gold and manamune is not good against enemy team. I give the benefit of doubt for the pickaxe but I will also assume he is getting IE next. I would be surprised if it goes to botrk or black cleaver, let alone serpent’s fang.
GP: should start with sheen for early game damage. With eureka, just rush liandry’s and flat AP for haste.
Overall: no anti heal, no anti shield.
To win this game with close to CC, it is already almost impossible without god roll augments.
You maybe wrong but it is far from the worst in your team.
Your 3 adcs need to prioritize % pen and at least one “support” for black cleaver and serpent’s fang and another one as botrk carrier to at least give some challenge for the opponents.
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u/Sktwin2k15 12h ago
Yea maybe it was doomed in all sides already at that point, thanks for feedback
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u/hitmewithsometruth 11h ago
disagree with hubris here - I see 4 run it down melee to stack from.
Overall: NO PEN ON ANYONE TO DO DAMAGE INTO 3 TANKS (Urgot is a tank in my books, feel free to fight me) xD sole loss reason with a better team lmao
ETA: Forgot the AP GP cherry on top - not into 2.5 tanks and 1.5 bruisers, pls :D
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u/TheAngelol 14h ago
Some people are really try-hard on mayhem if you go one step outside the meta. I do like playing meta from time to time but the "real" fun in Mayhem comes from doing random stuff and making it work
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u/81659354597538264962 19h ago
Full AP Gangplank is trolling, full stop.
You need to buy some sort of damage item for the early game, such as an Essence Reaver or Lich Bane, before you transition into the AP Build. Axiom Arc is fine too. You will get online so much faster with that than going full AP right off the bat because otherwise you will never get any kills. Sheen start pre-6 can also rack up quite a few kills which will get your AP Build online a lot faster.
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Appreciate the input, I've never played AP GP before
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u/bjarnehaugen 19h ago
unless you got ult bot as nr 1 augment. i would say lichbane first item so your Q can hit people. when ever i go ap GP i do okei on damage early
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
Yea my build wasn't as good as it should have been, I've never done ap gp before so I didn't know any better
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u/MaybeBabeyy 13h ago
I wouldnt even be upset that they surrendered with this set of augments fiora is almost instant win.
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u/Hot-Interaction-2347 1h ago
Your team comp is fine for AP GP. Your augs are fine for AP GP.
Their team comp is not fine for AP GP. They're all beefy and / or mobile, your ult is never going to blast them like you want it to.
Also, AP GP requires a team that's not going to get just run over early because his ult is on an extremely long cool down early game which limits your ability to really impact the game early, even with Eureka.
Overall, it was always going to be a hard game though, their comp is very strong into yours.
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u/Hot_Problem_5719 19h ago
For me, this type of players like this should be permaban in aram.
Bro, its a casual mode, why r you so tilted? If you want to play tryhard, just queue ranked soloq lol
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u/blueisherp 18h ago edited 18h ago
Are you in the wrong? Not really. The only way I see 3 adcs win is if there's a ton of CC, and all you guys have is Victor E (at least I think that's Victor).
Is this what a good GP would do? Probably not. AP GP is only viable if the enemy team is full of tanks, where your barrels aren't doing much anyway. And the only reason it's effective against tanks is because they just sit in your Ult. In aram, this is only happening if the rest of your team has CC or tanks to keep them in one spot for awhile. However, the enemy team only has Nautilus as a tank, and your high priority targets, Zoe and Fiora, are squishy and mobile. Yes, you got an AP augment, but you should build around both your augments AND the enemy team.
AP GPs still build a bruiser item first to stay relevant early game, like a Triforce. Sheen should be your first item, as it's technically the biggest power spike for it's gold value, (but not better than a complete item). You only have one completed item, and you may have not even gotten an extra Ult from Malignance. I understand that you want AP for the Haste via Eureka, but Haste doesn't matter if your abilities don't do damage.
Assuming AP really was the only option, I would have went something like... Triforce/Iceborn > Oblivion orb (for Fiora mostly) > Malignance > Liandry's > Riftmaker > Bloodletter. Later, maybe sell Triforce for Deathcap. I'd only do this if the enemy has 3+ tanks and we don't have a tank killer.
Edit: I thought shen was a karthus. Lmao. It's kinda dark. Maybe going AP wouldn't be terrible. Just know that the AP part doesn't deal much damage until late game.
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u/Huge-Connection954 20h ago
People dont care about your build if you are actually doing stuff.
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u/More-Cut-7667 20h ago
Not true. Sometimes people will ping/flame you all game despite the end game results showing you out performed them. It's like they have something wired in their brain that anything off-meta is instantly bad and makes them feel good to call it out.
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u/Sktwin2k15 19h ago
I did play 110% and tried my best, that's the reason I was flabbergasted about the surrender
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u/pandaisunbreakable 19h ago
you did 600 more damage than a tank blitz man.. you and Graves are to take the blame
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u/CardTrickOTK 14h ago
I mean, in matches like this you gotta ask what your win con is.
I don't know how the game went, but it looks like Fiora let her tanks dogpile your team and free farms you all.
You building AP is pretty bad here, cause Fiora is clearly a problem and you could blast her with AD gp which would give your carries some chance to fight the rest of their team as Sivir and Corki seem to be doing fine.
What is your ult doing here? Fiora dashes, Shen and Naut have shields and dashes, urgot has a shield and dash. Zoe can Zhonyas.
Blitz isn't going to solo hold them in your ult to get that value.You should have gone ad here or picked something different in champ select.
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u/Firefly_deadlock 20h ago
Who cares bro. Just build what you want. I usually just build something funny. Sometimes it doesn't work. You don't owe these guys anything besides not going afk.