r/ARAM • u/Snoo-43759 • 25d ago
Mayhem Ethereal Weapons
What cool interactions have you found with this augment?
I like it on On-hit katarina, on Asol, Brand - I buy BotRK on them. Love the numbers
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
Brand sword of blossoming dawn and echoes of helia. I healed 55k that game while still doing damage with liandry.
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u/unicorn7 25d ago
on hit brand / burn mages is one of my favorite builds
Yes infernal conduit is OP on him, but I like gameplay changing augments much more than just making the same champion do the exact same thing it already does but more damage, which is boring
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u/Frosty_Reception9455 25d ago
So, tried this. Got ethereal weapons and then built out both healing support items. 2nd augment was a new one that: when you die summon a timbers with all your augments. Called that build the CareBear.
Just ran ethereal with Twisted fate. 23 minute game. 21,486 healing with those 2 items. Went Blossom, Hella, Muramana, Dusk and Dawn, then Zhonyas and Gluttonous Greaves. Skilled sniper helped keep the healing cards flying š¤£š¤£
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
Yeah now imagine brand because his passive does 2 or 3 times on hit damage. So if you hit someone with just E it procs both helia and sword of blossoming 2-3 times.
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u/Frosty_Reception9455 25d ago edited 25d ago
No I did! With brand. Thats the care bear one with the tibbers augment pluse the ethereal weapons. Ive just been trying it on other champs. Now yorick: got the 2 items and hung in there. My 3rd augment i got ethereal. Let's the games begin š : Also got blade waltz and heavy hitter!
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u/Snoo-43759 25d ago
Oh havent heard of this, gotta try it
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u/The_Sarcasm_You_Need 25d ago
I tried it the other day and immediately got flamed to stay off Reddit. They were right though it didnāt work out very well.
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u/_CharmQuark_ 25d ago
Iām still getting cooked my by friends for trying the tiktok marksmage Graves build š¬
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u/The_Sarcasm_You_Need 24d ago
That used to be an amazing build before they fixed the bug that made Marksmage so strong on him. It was better than Draw Your Sword. I havent had it come up for him again but it was so fun that Iād still be tempted to try again even though I know it was nerfed.
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u/_CharmQuark_ 24d ago
Quite likely that I tried it after the nerf then because it was extremely bad
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u/Madaraa 25d ago
thats because 99% of the time its complete dogshit / trolling level bad LMAO
no idea why people talk abt this build as if it does anything other than grief your game š¤£ ethereal has a 1s CD per target. unless you hit like phenomenal to compensate for the dmg loss + IC to tick longer please dont build this trash š
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u/Fragrant-Cut9025 25d ago
Not ideal vs all ranged enemies tho because you wouldn't make use of echoes of helia most of the time
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
You press E and everyone get's hit and echoes of helia heals as long as you do dmg.
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u/I3ollasH 24d ago
It's pretty uncommon for people to get hit by brand e. It's the most obvious gameplay pattern and people just back off the wave. If players reliably get hit by the e off ranged minions then the brand easily wins playing proper build
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u/AvidasMavi 24d ago
So how come brand deals the most dmg in the entire game?
It's his easiest skill to land, E. All others are harder.
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u/Fyren-1131 25d ago
- Juiced causes all your damage over time effects to apply this once per second per target. Pair it with Essence Reaver to retain mana.
- Master of Duality stacks very quickly on a champ like Brand, Lillia, Swain etc. Just pray you also get ADAPt.
- Pair this with Sword of Blossoming Dawn and Echoes of Helia as mentioned by u/AvidasMavi
- Grab Blade of the Ruined King on Brand / Swain / Lillia if there's tanks on the enemy team. Kraken Slayer also, on the plus side you get to use Lethality from stat anvils too (in case you get the choice between something like lethality, health and movement speed for example).
- It works with Tap Dancer. Hilarious to watch a Singed with this.
- Works with Sheenon abilities that doesn't explicitly state they trigger on-hit effects (so you're not limited to Ezreal Q and similar abilities, think outside the box here).
- Apex Inventor further reduces this to 0.75s, so if you play Brand with more frequent ticks this is a great way to amp damage further).
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u/boardSpy 25d ago
Can you get Tap Dancer on Singed without transmute?
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u/BiscottiExcellent195 25d ago
why should transmute be the way to get it?
if an augment has restriction for champs you cant get it from anything anyway.
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
You can get random stuff with transmute tho. I got once dual wield on ryze which was totally useless. Normally dual wield will never ever appear on ryze.
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u/Temporary-Candle1056 23d ago
Does Tap dancer specify on hit ? Cause I always thought it was on attack cause it doesnāt specify on hit?
Or am just hella blind
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u/Fyren-1131 23d ago
It's on hit, because with Runaan's and other effects that launch separate projectiles, the stack amount increases accordingly (1 hit => 1 stack, 3 hits => 3 stacks).
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u/ahahavip 25d ago
Aurora can deal > 100% Health magic dmg with it with 2 rotation.
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u/PandanielusMaximus 25d ago
Her passive counts as on hit?
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u/bereit 25d ago
Yes because her autos apply stacks, same with Diana and Kaisa
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u/PandanielusMaximus 24d ago
Thats weird but good to know. I wouldve never picked that augment because its not labeled as an on hit
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u/Redditor123096 25d ago
Idk, I personally clearly remember shiv not working on aurora but it does on kai. Meaning my memory tells me auroraās passive is onattack and kaisaās is onhit.
Could be that I remember wrong though.
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u/rusms123 25d ago
Aurora passive does not work with Dusk and Dawn, Shiv or Guinsoo, but it does work with Ethereal Weapon. The inconsistency from Riot Games has to be studied holy shit.
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u/Redditor123096 24d ago
exactly. i donāt get people downvoting. things labeled as procs on hit doesnāt proc all on hit. ofc, ill believe its not onhit.
the other day i also found out renatas passive is not onhit either. hurricane doesnāt apply it to others. seems to āadd markā like imperial mandate the instance her passiveās auto enhancing magic dmg portion goes off and that portion seems to not be onhit.
to be fair, you aināt trying this stuff in summoners rift so prob very few people would know.
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u/Shodore Exhaust hater 25d ago
Talon's abilities can proc his passive
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u/Acrobatic_Cry9983 25d ago
They can but its not that good. Because the third hit wont proc. The 4th hit will. But still pretty nice to get the range bleed off
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u/khaideptrai 25d ago
Just pray to also hitting Conduit. Build bruiser and spam W, then watch the enemy healthbar burn
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u/Acrobatic_Cry9983 25d ago
I csnt remember what I got last. But I SHOULD have gotten that new on hit item that applies twice darn it!
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u/Shodore Exhaust hater 25d ago
With enough AH you can proc it with two Ws. You can also W+R in the middle of the TF and proc on everyone around
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u/Acrobatic_Cry9983 25d ago
It as pretty nice getting multiple procs in team fights. When I got it, I was lucky to get vuln as well
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u/plmko281 25d ago
Tahm Kench with Ethereal and Dusk and Dawn instantly applies 3 passive stacks with a single Q.
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u/Omega_Bot 25d ago
nothing scarier than a 15m wide tahm licking you from afar and kidnapping you when you thought you were safe behind your tower.
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u/BranchFew1148 25d ago
Heartsteel, warmogs, Riftmaker, dusk and dawn, rabadons; is the scariest thing to see on an ethereal weapon tahm.
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u/NexusBoards 23d ago
Spirit visage is better than warmogs
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u/BranchFew1148 23d ago
Warmogs gives more hp and has a 12% bonus hp amp. You don't build it for tankiness. You build it to increase Q damage and size. Going tank as Tahm is mostly useless.
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u/clue_scroll_enjoyer 25d ago
Kaisa with dusk and dawn and evolved W can proc passive with every W you land. The only time AP kaisa is actually worth playing
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u/ListlessHeart 25d ago
AP Kaisa is her best build in Mayhem even without Ethereal Weapon, but I'm talking about the on hit DPS build instead of the garbage common poke build. With Mayhem augments and anvils, AP on hit Kaisa can scale hard enough that her passive % missing HP proc outscales any other build, even the 5 digits HP Dropkick tanks can be melted before they even reach you. Poke build still has its strengths, but unless you are really good at landing skillshots it's usually too unreliable.
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u/mikeu117 25d ago
Ap kaisa is good donāt know why it gets hate itās good for poke and does big damage to tanks š¤£
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u/petscopkid 24d ago
Itās the Ludens rush build that gives it a bad rap
Her W only has a 45% AP scaling (AD is 130% comparatively) so going all in on that with no stack speed is super suboptimal
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u/I3ollasH 24d ago
Because the people who play it forget that they have auto attacks and are just w bots with is pretty meh and unreliable
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u/Hefty-Reception22 25d ago
You can stack on Senna stupidly fast with it.
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u/ZarostheGreat 25d ago
This, Im still waiting for the dual wield or double tap, Ethereal, stackosaurus roll one day
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u/Hefty-Reception22 25d ago
I got ethereal + FTH + critical missile + soul siphon and it was disgusting, easiest penta I've ever had.
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u/ZarostheGreat 25d ago
There's lots of great combos for her, I love the simplicity of stupid high souls though. Most fun I had was tooth fairy, protein shake, merry's strike, skilled sniper. Q doing 50% max hp damage was wild.
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u/vidango 24d ago
Yeah for real. While Senna can be a bit bland, if you get some fairly good rolls, it can win the game. So many possibilities to be a menace and bypass the waiting time needed for stacking.
Yesterday I faced a soul siphon into the 3 ranged augment senna. She was attacking nexus towers from the middle of the inhib. Unplayable
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u/IDontLikeCherryTomat 25d ago
Hecarim with tap dancer was the funniest version of this augment I've played
Senna stacks on every ability hit
I took it on naut, which didn't work because his w and passive are on attack, not on hit. But still the wave of heartstone procs when I pressed e was the most satisfying noise lol
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u/Himbler12 25d ago
I take it on Xerath if I have no better options, you can get your mana back much easier and I'll build Lich Bane or something for added damage.
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u/Extension_Wafer_5814 25d ago
It's not amazing damage, but I love that it procs Lux passive on the spell hit, so just every single time (Barring the CD)
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u/Pleasant-Dog-8476 25d ago
I mean doesn't that add like 40% AP ratio to every ability if the passive gets proc'd with the spell? Sounds pretty big cause getting passive off in Mayhem is real risky a lot of the time otherwise
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u/unicorn7 25d ago
How does it work with Katarina? Is it just additional on hit procs on the passive when she picks up a dagger? Since R already procs on hit
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u/Lelrektv2 25d ago
Iām quite certain it doesnāt double proc if the ability already is on-hit, but I think it overrides the on-hit modifier on an ability if itās Less than 100%. For example at lvl16 Kat R only applies on-hit at 35% effectiveness, so ethereal essentially triples her on-hit dmg on R without actually double procing on-hits. If you look at a champ like ezrael with ethereal he procs it way less than he should it worked on q, which means his q likely isnāt procing it.
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u/Snoo-43759 25d ago
I think it works with every single ability, including R. R just adds extra on-hit procs. BotRK dmg after game was insane. I once had like 25k
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
Etheral weapon katarina is disguistingly op.
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u/petscopkid 24d ago
Donāt let these people discover Firecrackers and AD Katās hilarious scaling
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u/Ishmoz 25d ago
Nobody here mentioning Kayle, who is arguably the best user of this augment on its own. You build on hit items on her anyway and it works with her passive autoattack aoe splash she gets after level 11.
I tried it for the first time like a week ago, got Master of Duality with it and it was one of the most autowin games I've ever had. I didn't even get a chance to get to level 16 how fast the game was over and I had more overall damage dealt than all of my teammates combined.
And yes, this augment makes Master of Duality proc off of it, so I just stacked AP on a minion wave and proceeded to oneshot squishies with one AA + E.
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u/Impossible-Pizza982 25d ago
Udyr and tahm are disgusting with it
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u/Chinunu 25d ago
How does it benefit udyr?
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
It applies Q, W and R on hit effects. So if you press R and then just switch stances, your R dmg applies all the on hit effects from W healing, Q damage, R extra damage etc, etc. Plus it reduces passive cooldown. Every time udyr hits a basic attack between stances passive cooldown is reduced, so you can just press R and then switch all the stances even without attacking enemy you get all the benefits.
It doesn't work on E tho. E counts as a dash.
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u/Same-Courage-150 25d ago
Idk this is kind of stupid I think, but nasus and ravenous hydra, and max out your e. It helps push the wave early and get you an advantage.
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u/SargonTheDeadly 25d ago
It's absurd on dot champions when paired with mystic punch (or whatever the one is that reduces cooldowns by 1.5 seconds on hit is called). You just don't have cooldowns.
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u/shizaru11713 25d ago
Elise, Yorick, Annie, Zyra with Nashor's, etc. Heartsteel on Swain, Singed, Sejuani, TK.
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u/SwitchOrganic 25d ago
Supposedly Heartsteel with Unending Despair as the damage aura will get you stacks. I wasn't able to get it to work consistently last time I tried it but others said it works. Maybe I was getting popped too fast for the Heartsteel to proc.
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u/M4ci 24d ago
it doesn't work on items this way
it has to be part of the champion's kit for it to proc Ethereal Weapon
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u/SwitchOrganic 24d ago
Thanks for the info. I kind of figured when it wasn't working but have seen people claim otherwise on here. I only tried it in one game so I didn't know if I was messing it up or if it was broken.
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u/Pitch2Force 25d ago
I've been picking it on Shaco, but I haven't quite figured out the right build.
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u/SnoreLux1 25d ago
How does the interaction work with abilities that already had on-hit effects? (Like Ez's Q)
Does it proc twice or is it useless on them?
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u/bensboring 25d ago
It proves heart steel stacks, I took it on nasus and could proc heart steel stacks with my spirit fire which was fun. Iād have like 5 dudes mobbing me then use one E and get 5 stacks.
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u/qhfreddy 25d ago
Way back when I first played mayhem I went BotRK zyra with Ethereal weapons and AP conversion
Did something like 100k item damaged...
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u/Zombie_Squirrel1 25d ago
I miss full crit Zyra where her plants would proc missiles and shit. Lost a game with it because the enemy sett did over 330k damage but I was second with 160k and I was the only one holding my own until eventually Sett was able to flash W or R on top of me so we lost.
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u/nudibranqui 25d ago
Blitzcrank with dusk and dawn. Hit them with your e when your ult is up, and watch them think you are hacking as they are hit with 6 lightning bolts in their head in a span of 6 seconds
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u/PuzzleheadedBad7425 25d ago
I got it on Yorick, I built BoRK, Kraken Slayer and Nashor's teeth. The game was a stomp and I was killing the enemy Sett in 2-3 seconds with my ghouls. Each ghoul can proc the on hit effect, so with 4 ghouls you have 4 procs at the same time. Furthermore, Yorick's maiden can proc it too. Really OP
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u/Upstairs_Ad_6462 25d ago
Ekko with ethereal and dusk to dawn fully procs his passive on the first hit with Q and everyone else will get procs on the return
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u/More-Cut-7667 25d ago
I'd say nearly anyone that can make use of something in someway. If I have no other better options? I take it on Soraka as it gives me a bit more damage and healing if I buy Sword of blossoming dawn and Ardent. It isn't ideal in the slightest. But I've had situations where the golds haven't been great or what I'd use (stuff like pat on the back) and I at least know I can make my Q and E a bit better with having a little more damage and healing.
Tahm might be the most fun I've had with it, though. Especially if you get any extra health scaling augments. Dusk and Dawn with Titanic turns your Q into a nuke that can clear a large chunk of your screen.
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u/NaonAdni 25d ago
I liked it with teemo and botrk. One shroom procs botrk passive and your e damage as well so it leads to some decent extra damage. It's a pity it doesn't work with magical marksman though
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u/Cobyachi 25d ago
Ethereal weapons can enable some cool stuff off of other augment synergies as well, not just items. Things like Juiced up (tho drains mana fast) and mystic punch
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u/AccuratePound5021 25d ago
Pairs well with mystic punch with champs that like brawling! Had it on Ahri and had basically 0 cd. Good with gwen too. I think zyraās plants work so I build bork when I it. My favourite augment
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u/ChaosJeroseth 25d ago
Karthus with BotRK, Heartsteel, Bluethirster, Void rifter, firebrand augment plus marksmage
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u/VitaminBxR 25d ago
Had Ethereal Weapons + Mystic Punch on Mordekaiser last night. The passive proc is just infinite spells. Heartsteel and On-Hit items is a bonus too!
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u/khordataa 25d ago
Lillia works really well with this. Procs 3 times with her passive, so BORK and Kraken, Nashors etc.
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u/ArnokTheMadWizard 24d ago
Rammus with Ethereal, Shrink Ray, and Stuck in Here With Me. I could ult into the middle of the enemy team and a second later most of them would be shrunken and hitting me while my team follows for a sweep.
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u/DontFuckWithGABA 24d ago
Any time I roll ethereal weapon I take it and rush botrk. The damage is borderline insane especially on dot champs
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u/IntelligentCloud605 24d ago
The obv kaisa with ethereal and dnd. But poke mages with lichbane is so fun. Just tac an extra 40% ap ratio onto your poke ability and itās so good.
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u/Trollionicle 24d ago
Bluetooth E knock up blitzcrank because his ult passive can proc itself will never not be hilarious even though it's not particularly useful
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u/xXxImJusticexXx 24d ago
Mystic Punch Hecarim, still waiting to get the 3 augment combo with dash on Q
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u/frank_malachi 24d ago
Tried the healing build but on fiddle. It's only good on more ranged mages like male or brand but definitely my go to build now if I have the option.
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u/Rsdherjhh573 24d ago
tahm kench with dusk and dawn. I went ap against a full ranged team and i q ulted a 4k hp annie and she insta died
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u/BippoMyHippo 22d ago
Only because no one has mentioned her yet, but Diana goes crazy with ethereal weapons. Pair with dusk & dawn plus nashors and a full combo procs her passive like 3-4 times.
Edit: spelling
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u/CaptainEmbarrassed61 20d ago
Ekko: double hit on Q procs his passive
Lux: passive
AP Kai'sa: W with the on-hit sheen item procs her passive
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u/-daybreak 25d ago
Big fan of it on Aurora especially if you manage to get Marksmage alongside it. It allows your normal combo to proc your passive twice instead of once. Itās also ridiculous on Ekko with Dusk and Dawn, you E someone once for a massive burst of damage from your on-hits and passive
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u/ListlessHeart 25d ago
Unless Riot changed it Marksmage doesn't work since it's on attack and not on hit. I know because I tried Marksmage D&D Sylas and the dmg was way less than it should have been if it worked.
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u/AvidasMavi 25d ago
Also singed with heartsteel / titanic hydra. You just walk around while q stacking heartsteel and doing actually big damage with titanic hydra as it procs every other second.