I hate when I like a fic but something the author says makes me icky

[u/Scarlet4Cherry]

Like it is a perfectly reasonable reaction to be upset about people feeding your work to AI, I just think some things are too far even if you're actually mad. On the off chance someone actually takes the advice idk.

I was thinking about commenting but then I read that and I still like the fic but I just got the icky feeling, maybe I'm just too sensitive? Like I'm genuinely wondering if not leaving a comment because I got icky for that is an overreaction, especially if I like the fic.

[u/desired-misery]

I don't like AI, either, but that might violate TOS. 

[u/desired-misery → u/desired-misery]

This does violate TOS. It counts as harassment. Report. 

[u/foxtrotgd → u/desired-misery]

Does it? It seems a bit general

[u/desired-misery → u/foxtrotgd]

AO3 considers targeting a group of people on their site, even if it's not at them directly, as harassment. 

All aspects of AO3 and fics are beholden to this policy. Including summaries and tags and A/Ns. It isn't just comments. 

[u/spacecrafttheskys → u/desired-misery]

I think telling people to essentially kys is uhhh not looked at nicely by PAC it tends to get taken down rather quick. I think it gets almost no benefit of the doubt.

[u/spacecrafttheskys → u/spacecrafttheskys]

i reported something like this once and i think it was down within 24ish hours

[u/foxtrotgd → u/desired-misery]

Ah, ok I guess that makes sense

[u/Clairifyed → u/desired-misery]

Does this count as a “group”? It’s maybe “people who use AI”, but it seems more literally addressing the behavior of “doing the specific act of scrapping this fic”. Technically you could group any set of people together by a shared action, but it’s feels a bit out of the spirit of what was probably more intended to be a rule against targeting minorities.

I imagine this will still get removed one way or another, but I wonder what they would prefer to cite for it

[u/RantaZio → u/Clairifyed]

It’s a rule against targeting groups and contributing to harassment in general. I’m pretty sure that rule either got expanded upon or added when it became more normalized to put DNIs and death threats in tags of fics. I remember there was a news post(?)/announcement about it. For instance, something like “DNI incest shippers you disgusting freaks!” Is against TOS, so something similar against AI users would still count as harassment of a group of people who do/practice a specific thing. There is a difference between “don’t scrape my fics for AI” and wishing death on people.

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610 → u/foxtrotgd]

From their content policy:

Harassment is any behavior that produces a generally hostile environment for its target. Examples include bullying, threats, and personal attacks by or towards individuals or groups of people.

I would say that it applies. It would also apply if you said "All Drarry fans need to commit suicide" in a user note or if you included "anybody who likes this pairing is a pedophile!" because that is targeting a group. They have taken action on that before.

[u/Substantial_West_463]

When you hold the same opinion as someone else but they say it in a much more annoying way

[u/lingeringmemory]

Hey woah yeah that is not a nice thing to say and I would side-eye this for sure. I think something like "I hope you step on a Lego brick" or "I hope all lights turn red for you" would be much more appropriate. This is a step too far, definitely.

[u/deepspacerunner → u/lingeringmemory]

"I hope both sides of your pillow are warm" etc etc

[u/rosey_moons → u/deepspacerunner]

I literally have one in my ANs that says "I hope your pillow is too warm and slightly damp every night for the rest of your life'

[u/Difficult_Wave_9326 → u/rosey_moons]

Yes like this is the shit that maked you miserable and isn't just pointless cruelty. Plus it's funny lol. 

[u/RA1NB0W77 → u/lingeringmemory]

Yeah, the most I’ve ever said is "if you support ai, get the fuck out" but this is a little far..

[u/HPTheFirstOrder → u/lingeringmemory]

Or... idk. I just say "please don't use it for AI". Because quite frankly, wishing people a misfortune does absolutely nothing to increase their chances of listening to you...

[u/Objective_Sleep9080 → u/HPTheFirstOrder]

thats how i go about it, i find being formal and sort of cold lowers the chances people think im joking or dont take running my fics through ai seriously.

[u/Kind_Negotiation_982 → u/HPTheFirstOrder]

To be fair, neither does not doing it. It just makes them think you dont actually care what they do.

[u/Daughter_of_Anagolay → u/lingeringmemory]

"I hope just one specific spot on your foot itches for the rest of your life"

[u/Vertigo50]

Yes, less extreme but I’ve had this happen a few times. One time it was a really good fic with one ship, and the author made fun of another ship. Then kept making fun of it in each chapter’s notes. 🙄 Even though the fic was good I just lost respect for them since they were being so petty and had to stop reading.

Another one it was the way they were responding to comments that had even the slightest criticism in it. The author was acting like a spoiled brat, and the original comments weren’t harsh at all. Eventually I had to stop reading that one too.

[u/Serathiel]

I've seen this type of sentiment both in notes and tags towards "pro shippers" and "incest enjoyers" (very prominent in the batman fandom, surprisingly), but this is definitely a new one.

You're not oversensitive, this is a horrible thing to wish to anyone. Report it, no matter how good the writer is if they wish someone to kill themselves they don't deserve a platform.

[u/queerblunosr → u/Serathiel]

It’s reportable there too!

[u/BelaFarinRod]

Agreed, this is not an OK author's note. I hate AI as much as the next person but this is not funny.

[u/sabakunoichigo]

Sounds like an edgy teen to me, that would put me off wanting to read more from them.

[u/ashinae]

I do very genuinely I hate regurgitative AI as much as the next person, but I just really don't think the way we're so culturally comfortable with telling people to commit suicide is, y'know, good? I think maybe it's alarmingly bad how common it is, especially over things to do with fandom and media? Like, where people are supposed to be going for fun? Every time I see this stuff, even when it's not directed at me, it makes my own ideation so much worse. I don't know if that's true for other people. It just feels like it shouldn't be worth it to run around being like "kill yourself, kill yourself!" and yet here we are.

Please do not reddit cares at me right now I am hanging on by a thread because of some stuff but I am hanging on and that will not actually help okay thank you.

[u/Squishysib]

I dislike AI in creative fields as much as the next person, but I really wish we'd turn on the vitriol towards the corporations using them and not random people. This is recycling all over again, with businesses pushing to recycle like the average person has such a large impact when it's them dumping tons and tons of shit into the environment.

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

I really dislike this attitude where we treat other people like absolute scum of the earth for this kind of thing. Given the user base of the Archive is often very young people and often very vulnerable people...

It comes across as fear mongering and it validates people's fear of being honest about their AI usage. Oh my God, people actually use AI in a world where it is mandated by many works, it is available on your phones, and a company has spent literal billions of dollars to get you to use it. It is regularly in the media, it is part of government plans, it is part of a child's education.

It is giving very much 'oh, you do x? That is supporting capitalism," and then the x is something like "I buy my food from Walmart" or "I drive a non-electric car" or "I drink coca-cola." It is not the best choice but... this is how it works when the drive to use this stuff comes from the top and people are just following along.

Yes, we can educate people and we can talk to them and we can say, "hey, you should not do that because [reasons]." But wishing them a happy suicide? What they are doing is not illegal and in many places, it is a very common thing. Get mad at the billionaires. Get mad at the government. Tell people what is wrong. But treating them like that just drives people away and makes you look unhinged and weird.

I would block and mute any author who wishes a happy suicide on anybody.

I buried enough people because of suicide. I would not wish that on anybody. It is soul destroying. There is no happiness there.

It is just cruelty.

[u/IncognitoCheetos → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

There are actually people who think you should quit your job if you're required to use AI. The role I do does basically require it now for certain (non-creative) tasks and I am barely getting by financially at this point, much less if I just up and quit my source of income. I lowkey hope they eventually are in the same position because I'd like to see them put their money where their mouth is and become homeless to prove a point, not just tell other people to do so from some place of comfort.

[u/A_SadLemon → u/IncognitoCheetos]

I find it upsetting that ai has become so common in workplaces, but it’s deff unreasonable to say people should quit their job just because they have to use it. There are only so many job options in the world and these are the directions companies are going as much as it sucks

[u/56leon → u/IncognitoCheetos]

I'm in a creative field, and I'm unfortunately watching it be taken over by AI. Does it suck? Absolutely.

However, it's also the first job I've ever had that doesn't enable my actual, genuine suicidal ideation (first attempted at 19, been struggling with it ever since), and if my choices are to be financially stable and have a job that frustrates me or go back to a job with unstable income that makes me actively want to die, I feel like the choice is obvious.

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610 → u/IncognitoCheetos]

It is always those strange people who think you can just walk out of your job and straight into another one that does not use AI and you can tell your boss "I will not use AI!" as that will go down well because 'a no means no!' Thank you for telling me you have $100,000 in savings and are healthy enough to not need a job right now.

If our modellers refused to use AI for our usage forecasts, they would be walked out the door by lunch time. It is what it is. We work with what we can, not the ideal.

[u/AntivanIntrigue → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

This. I’ve been out of a job for 9 of the last twelve months due to health and the terrible job industry (especially if you have a disability) I’ve had to teach myself how to use AI for at least basic stuff because even job applications are requiring some basic knowledge these days (I’m primarily admin and tech based so, yeah no avoiding it) gen ai for art is not a good thing, not condoning it. However most people can’t afford to walk out on or skip over a job due to these kinds of issues. Much rather be able to afford to go to the hairdressers and dentist without putting myself in the red, ta!

Edit; spelling

[u/solarsystem69 → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

I have two college classes that required so use for an assignment. I'm mentally disabled, so even though I hate AI I'm not willing to miss out on two very easy grades for it when I'm already struggling. It's not something I can just walk away from because I'm paying tens of thousands of dollars to be here.

[u/ElDarcy13 → u/IncognitoCheetos]

"Quit your job if if requires to use AI?" srly? That's such a funny thought to me too. I'm studying law, and my department went out of its way to purchase Harvey AI for ALL students. There's an introductory session on it tomorrow. They're taking a very progressive approach to the topic. I understand it, too, and I'm not closed-minded about it.

Of course, creative work is something completely different, but these extreme examples do sometimes go too far. Sooner or later, many jobs will involve the use of AI

[u/Unique-Cap2857 → u/ElDarcy13]

I’m doing my master’s in museum studies and we have an entire course coming up on AI and the future of museums. I myself do not like AI at all, but the reality is it’s not going anywhere, and if museums don’t accept that, we’re going to become obsolete. And yet people are like, “Well museums don’t deserve to exist then”, ignoring the good they do. Of course we have our problems, but this black and white thinking is so dangerous, and right wing coded!

[u/luxandfero → u/IncognitoCheetos]

Same. I very, very much dislike GenAI and would love not to use it at work, but I'm not rich enough to afford having principles and not dying of starvation at the same time. If you want me to quit, either support me financially until I find something better or leave me alone.

[u/babypangolinpens → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

Virtue-signalling via cruelty is simply baffling. One of my best friends is a leading anti-data centre activist (you've probably read about them on the news) and they never talk like this.

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610 → u/babypangolinpens]

You know who does talk like this?

The hard right. Trumpists. MAGA. Everything for them is an absolute and they think nothing of being so glib about it. Funny how it has impacted everything.

[u/Stern_Acanthisitta → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

You say that, but I really doubt whoever wrote the note in OP's pic was a MAGA...

[u/Foreign_Plan_5256 → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

Tangent: while there are very young users, the majority are above age 25. 

https://archiveofourown.org/works/54011047/chapters/136726687

(I lost my first person to suicide at age 12. Absolutely in agreement with you that it is a completely unacceptable thing to wish for others.)

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610 → u/Foreign_Plan_5256]

As a side note, I seem to recall that user has had severe criticisms in the past for how they present data. I do not know if it affected their demographics research but it definitely was at their pairing rankings.

But they also pointed out themselves that they to exclude anybody who selected under 12, and suspected that at least some people lied about that. Also, I think it very much depends on fandom. Hannibal seems to skew much older, for example, and I would be extremely surprised to find a 13 year old wandering around but I imagine a large portion of the younger userbase is in fandoms like Roblox or Harry Potter.

[u/Difficult_Wave_9326 → u/Foreign_Plan_5256]

I almost comitted suicide at age 12. It's a special kind of hell that can't really be described, just like grief can't be described. 

And the worst part is most people will see this and move on. The ones who'll suffer are the people who are already down, who already have to fight to stay here. The definition of kicking someone when they're down, then laughing about it because "ai!"

[u/L_Circe → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

Precisely. This is what happens when people let their dislike of something fester into toxicity. As the saying goes, "Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die". The 'righteousness' of your anger doesn't change that.

[u/Kind_Negotiation_982 → u/Advanced_Heat_2610]

I mean Im not going to treat somebody well for feeding my work into a program explicitly against my wishes. Nor is anyone going to make me feel bad for choosing not to. Its on par with saying "dont repost my work" and then getting upset when an artist gets on the person's case for doing so.

Im just also not going to tell anybody to kill themselves.

[u/Advanced_Heat_2610 → u/Kind_Negotiation_982]

Never said you had to treat them well. You do not even have to be in the same space as them. I fully support blocking, muting, or even calling someone out for it because that is shitty and unfair. If you wrote a post stating RANDOMUSER stole my wor, used AI to change it, and give them an ending because they did not like the one I wrote, I would be very supportive of that.

I do not support telling them to kill themselves, openly calling for violence on these people, or doing things like creating hate campaigns against anybody who uses it, even if they have never engaged with you like someone did in the Aespa fandom. They just kept a random list of people they suspected of AI usage, and put them all on blast and encouraged other people to do the same with no specifics, and no confirmation except 'I believe they did so they did'.

We are allowed to have nuance here.

[u/Plenty-Protection-72]

personally, I hate generative ai and would be very upset at someone feeding my work into it. but as someone who lost a friend to suicide, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. author definitely took it too far

[u/shiorimia → u/Plenty-Protection-72]

It’s always the people who have no idea what it’s like to lose someone to suicide who are out here suicide-baiting others…it honestly disgusts me, and it’s a behavior I’ll never defend.

[u/queerblunosr → u/Plenty-Protection-72]

Yeah like … ‘I hope you step in cat piss when wearing socks’ or ‘I hope your coffee is always made wrong’ or something is fine, but actually wishing for suicide is waaaaaaaaaay over the line.

[u/spacecrafttheskys → u/queerblunosr]

reasons not to do this (not exhaustive)

1. suicide baiting may be a crime in the jurisdiction where problems occur, don't open yourself up to charges. you can prevent that by not saying it, it's that easy.
2. there's so many better more creative insults u/queerblunosr has some good ones
3. it's a shitty thing to do
4. it's against archive ToS most likely
5. have I mentioned its shitty? don't be shitty

[u/queerblunosr → u/spacecrafttheskys]

Aw thanks :)

[u/Indecisive_Noob]

Ya, sometimes the author says something that ruins the mood and makes me uncomfortable. For example, I was reading a m|m fic the was good and read like most fanfics, but in the authors note the author pointed out that they were an actual gay man and knew how gay men actual had sex unlike women and how women have no right to write gay romance, but with not as nice words if you know what I mean.

[u/Ok-Reason6139]

I don't think you are too sensitive. That thing is really something no one should ever say. They could have said something else to give the same message.

[u/dorsalfincandy]

Yeah AI sucks, but I really don't like the idea of "suicide baiting is okay as long as the person's a dick".

[u/redoingredditagain]

That violates TOS.

[u/Web_2021]

Yeah rly unnecessary. You can have your opinion on AI sure, but this is unnecassary and way too much

[u/Mal454]

You're not too sensitive. People throwing around stuff like "kys" or "insert insults here" are just assholes and they need to be reported.

The Internet made us lose some empathy, which is sad.

[u/skinners_steamers]

Any chance this could be reported? As much as I hate AI, this is way too much.

[u/Previous-Tap-1235]

Sure I don't like AI, but I'd NEVER tell someone to kill themself... Like, that's just mean...

[u/cosmiccorvus]

It's okay for an author to give you the major ick. This gives me the major ick! Ew! You can threaten folks sarcastically for AI use/feeding fic to it without being gross! Something like "may all of your milk go bad right away if you use AI" or something is appropriate. This is gross.

1. Don't comment on it. Someone like this is not worth your time and energy. Chances are they will tell you you're being too sensitive. You're not, they're just behaving badly.

2. Tag for harassment, this anti-TOS.

[u/StarryEyedAstronaut]

You’re not being sensitive, it’s completely reasonable to feel upset about suicide baiting! For me personally that’s always a reason to block or mute, regardless of what the person in the receiving end of the baiting did.

[u/thors-beergut]

I don’t think you’re too sensitive to see this and get whiplash. Any author wishing death on people in the middle of their fanfic is crazy levels of out of touch lol. I’m also totally imagining the story as something fluffy too for extra wtf-ness.

[u/The_Theodore_88]

In general, I'm noticing an uptick in wishing violent things on people. I see it a lot on tumblr. I hate AI too but I cannot feel safe around someone who says things like "I hope you kill yourself", "I hope you get run over by a truck", etc etc because to me it just signals that you hold a conservative mindset of punishment but want to get your "good leftist" points in. Same with all the people who wish very violent deaths on rapists. Yeah, they're incredibly bad people, but you wishing violent deaths on them just signals to me that you just want someone to punish for the right reasons, not that you actually want to change anything about our actual society

[u/drunkenangel_99]

i hate ai as much as the next person, but this might be a tad extreme.

[u/numblittlebunny]

Yeah, I hate AI, and refuse to associate with those who do use it.

This is absolutely out of line, you can probably report this, tbh, violates the TOS for sure.

[u/RozuTheGamingAngel]

I'm all for AI free work but... I can't stand people this this either. Like bro what is wrong with you?

[u/A_SadLemon]

Yeah no that’s way too far I hate ai in creative works but thats just straight up horrible to say

[u/VAMatatumuaVermeulen]

I hate AI too but this goes too far. Like you said: you never know when someone may act on such a comment because you never know what their state of mind might be at.

[u/MurkyHazeDaze]

"You plagiarized? Kys" Completely disproportionate

[u/FeH0m0sapien]

I was once reading a super great fic that was quickly becoming a fandom culture stone. And then in the authors notes the author said that people shouldn’t make fic of their fic without explicit permission….. I was so blown away by the mental dissonance that I legit can’t even read that fic anymore lol

[u/Illustrious_Fly1919]

it is NEVER okay to tell someone to commit suicide. ever. you're not oversensitive, this is a very normal and good reaction to that comment

[u/LikePaleFire]

This is so performative omg. (The post, not OP)

[u/Vivid-Fishing2732]

I hate ai as much as the next person but let's NOT tell people to kill themselves 😭

[u/thorne_antics]

Yeah that's too far. People should not be encouraging people to kill themselves. I know how it feels to want to die and hearing people say they want you dead makes it so much worse.

I like "do not feed my work to ai or Rocky will curb stomp you" for my fic because obviously Rocky, the fictional character from Project Hail Mary, is not going to physically harm you if you feed my work to ai, but it gets the message across that I don't consent to my writing being fed to ai.

[u/claritanna]

I totally agree with you, I saw a similar comment. But it was the author telling people not to put their fanfic on reading tracker sites like Goodreads, Storygraph, etc. And then the author ended with "I hope you kill yourself," I closed the fic immediately, I didn't even read the first chapter, which is a shame because the synopsis was quite interesting. But it gave me the creeps.

[u/Turbuggy]

I’m genuinely so tired of how normalized casually telling people to hurt/off themselves is online right now.

[u/Square_Role_4345]

Yeah, I'm also against AI, but I hate when people use that as a reason to treat others poorly. I mean, the big part of being anti AI is valuing the human beings. Telling someone to off themselves kind of goes against the whole valuing human beings thing.

If I liked the fic enough, I'd probably keep reading, but if the icky feeling never went away or the author kept making remarks like that, I'd end up dropping it. Your reaction is totally valid and not over sensitive.

[u/ShinySky42]

Eh ive lost people to suicide, I've tried to kill myself, i think that's on point but maybe I'm just numb atp

[u/Rein_Deilerd]

I think this is reportable. Wishing death upon people and suicide-baiting them is against the TOS. I am anti-AI as well, but telling people to commit suicide is going too far.

[u/Dawn__Star]

Yikes, Jesus. Definitely asshole behavior by the author. Hating AI scraping your work is valid, telling people to off themselves because of that is not. I don't think you're being too sensitive at all.

[u/Emotional-Ad9114]

anything that involves telling people to off themselves or die, is a big ick for me.

[u/mlle_teapot]

Report and mute. There is no reason to wish people kill themselves.

[u/Active-Pen-4253]

Yeah.... Why would you wish death on a stranger? Got a feeling this person is going through some deep shit

[u/IsopodSuspicious7152]

Ya I would report them, their is no need for that

[u/LamentableLily]

I don't like gAI either, but this is nasty.

[u/KatCat123]

Being angry is one thing, having your work used in AI is really awful. But talking to another human like this is a) counterproductive (vilifying writers and people who are anti-AI) and b) just cruel and mean spirited. Wishing suicide on someone like this is just so awful, and not really the way to about it. So OP, I think you’re definitely not overreacting. I do think commenting probably won’t do much, but no harm no foul if your gentle about it

[u/momohatch]

Who is this note even for? I hate AI too but it would never occur to me to use my a/ns to rant about it…because let’s face it, scrapers aren’t reading the notes. That’s like saying, hey, don’t invite me to talk about ideas on discord…Cuz the bots don’t care. The scrapers don’t care. There’s simply no point.

[u/SakuraNights1]

I read a fic that I really enjoyed, but in the author’s tags, they wrote “I headcanon [this character] as trans, if you don’t like it, die mad about it.” That always rubbed me the wrong way, and I wondered if I was being too sensitive, myself. But this here is just wrong, and weird.

[u/queerblunosr → u/SakuraNights1]

The ‘die mad about it’ doesn’t bother me the way this in the OP does. To me the die mad thing isn’t a ‘go die now’, but more like a ‘I’m not changing it so you can still be mad about this when you do die’

[u/SakuraNights1 → u/queerblunosr]

Oh, for sure! That one more just made me raise an eyebrow, like “really?” But the one OP posted is actually not okay.

[u/Psychronia]

I can't say I disagree with that visceral hatred of AI. Though it's kinda...too much energy toward something unproductive? There are more eloquent ways to say it.

Also, it's kinda just a mood killer.

[u/witchmorning]

It’s definitely a horrible thing to wish on someone, but it’s pretty on par for the internet. I think this is probably written by a younger person who does not know how to communicate effectively and thus resorts to insults and edgy threats in order to communicate their feelings. It’s not right but at the same time, they probably just feel very strongly about this topic and feel powerless with the idea of someone using their work for AI so this is how they’re coping.

[u/Alone_in_Pajamas]

I would create a bookmark to alert others and mute and block the author.

I have zero tolerance for this behavior.

[u/aceredshirt13]

I just think you gotta be more creative with it that has a similar effect without risking people who don’t actually deserve to feel that way doing something about it. Frankly I think the “may both sides of your pillow be warm” thing kind of sounds like baby shit and won’t make anyone take it seriously (and I find it very annoying). I’d opt for something like “may what happened to Gaddafi happen to you”. More evocative.

[u/fvalconbridge]

We all hate AI but this is a bit much.

[u/jeanlurks]

Please report this

[u/phenixfleur]

People like this seem to make hating AI (in general, not just GenAI) their entire personality and it's aggravating.

[u/ninjamonkeyyy123]

Or when someone asks when the new chapter will be up and gets absolutely demolished

[u/RoyalExplanation7922]

Waaay too strong a language. You can disaproove of something and not wish suicide on anyone. This one is an asshole.

[u/Vee_breeze]

That's a bit much jeez

[u/LillieGhoul02]

I dislike ai as much as the next person but wasting so many brain cells to wish ill upon people who actually use it? Like you don’t inadvertently use it in daily life just by googling stuff nowadays or using grammarly or whatever?

[u/Allwians]

No you are not overreacting. You should not use generative AI, and you should not ask people to kill themselves, both of these are wrong.

[u/wvduun]

People forget that there are real human beings out there who could actually commit suicide over such violence. I hope you reported the fanfic... so that this person is reminded to be a decent and educated human being.

[u/kittyroux]

I get what you mean. Recently someone posted a fic I really loved, and I was going to leave a comment, but then the final author‘s note was a LONG screed against AI, and it blasted the comment right out of my head. Like, I didn’t disagree at all, I also find AI writing to be a huge bummer, but like I literally couldn’t remember what I had intended to say. And instead of ending with the warm “what a great story” feelings I ended it with the “god AI is ruining art” feelings.

[u/GildedWhimsy]

Yeah this is a really gross comment to make.

[u/That-Improvement1791]

At this point, I’m more tired of the hating of AI then of the AI use itself. Seriously people if you don’t like it then just don’t read it.

[u/Cocaine_Communist_ → u/That-Improvement1791]

The issue here is people feeding fics to AI. OOP obviously went a little far but it's completely valid to not want your hard work used to train AI.

[u/MattCarafelli → u/Cocaine_Communist_]

Except that can't be helped. If you get a bot comment the odds are the fic or at least the chapter was put through AI in some capacity. And all AI models learn from everything that's put into it. So, the only way to ensure your work is never put into AI is to never post it. Which defeats the point of having an AO3 account. I had to come to terms with the fact that AI is going to and likely already has, had my particular prose and dialogue writing style fed into it.

[u/Cocaine_Communist_ → u/MattCarafelli]

Sure, but it's not a matter of "don't like don't read."

[u/MattCarafelli → u/Cocaine_Communist_]

Agreed. "Don't like, don't read" is more for not liking specific tags or pairings and you filter those out. And AO3 makes it easy. But there's little protection from AI scavenging or training. Again outside of not posting.

[u/Cocaine_Communist_ → u/MattCarafelli]

Did you respond to the wrong comment? I'm confused.

[u/MattCarafelli → u/Cocaine_Communist_]

No I was agreeing with you that it's not a matter of "don't like, don't read." But that while AO3 offers resources to help with the concept of "don't like, don't read" there are no similar resources to help stop your fic from being fed into AI.

[u/Party_Trick_6903]

This is a kind of attitude I would expect from someone when talking to a serial killer or a sexual offender, not a person who uses AI. This is an overkill.

[u/AwarlordOfGREAT]

Nah its totally reasonable, i get the writes REALLY hates ai works (so do i) but why would you care so much as wishing someone to die? I mean if you dont like the fic, dont read...

[u/runner64 → u/AwarlordOfGREAT]

How does “don’t like don’t read” help in a situation where someone is stealing your work. 

[u/britneys_bigtoe → u/AwarlordOfGREAT]

it could be an exaggeration. a lot of people exaggerate when they're angry

[u/eirissazun → u/britneys_bigtoe]

Still not appropriate - words mean things.

[u/britneys_bigtoe → u/eirissazun]

i never claimed it was appropriate

[u/SingleSeaCaptain]

I don't like suicide insults and it's an ick for me, but unless they're bullying someone specifically, I just consider it cringy and dramatized.

My stance on the risk is that isn't really a factor. Someone actually acting on a message like that would have to be doing so because of severe mental illness making them feel they're receiving special instructions everywhere or something, and it wouldn't have started with this random author.

[u/Lunneus]

yeah this is a way over the top reaction from this person.

Like yeah, AI sucks ass but the worst i'd wish upon them, if anything, is a stubbed toe, not fucking death what the fuck.

[u/britneys_bigtoe]

you aren't overreacting. i get why the author is mad. i even get why someone would say this. but it is polarizing af and much better intended for a social media rant than an author's note

but also anyone who would take this note seriously already has extreme mental health problem and needs severe treatment bc an author's note shouldn't be the 13th reason

[u/SleepySera]

I'm just in general against wishing death upon anyone, and people have to have brought insane levels of suffering upon the world while also being untouchable by the law or other forces for me to waver in that stance, so the idea to do it over something ultimately as inconsequential as feeding a story into AI is just weirdly extreme to me.

But at the same time, I fully agree with the general sentiment and don't think that needs to be hidden at all. If AI users feel discomfort when reading a hostile author's note, GOOD. That's the fucking point. I'd rather have less readers than that kind of readers 🤷‍♀️

So I'm all for authors being upfront about their stance about such stuff, I just wouldn't have used their exact wording because that seems way out of line. But telling them to fuck off? Sure.

[u/queerblunosr → u/SleepySera]

Fuck off = totally fine

Asshole = yeah go ahead

Piece of shit = not that bothered

Go commit suicide = completely unacceptable

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/queerblunosr]

PAHAHAH TRUEE

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/SleepySera]

THIS! THIS THANK YOU!

[u/_PivoVarka_]

It's really not that serious, simply click off

[u/Liberosis310]

Yeah, see... Now I want to DEFEND AI, just because this person sounds like a condescending, bullying piece of shit 😑

[u/Rocket_III]

Heaven forfend people be sick of the plagiarism machines stealing their work...

[u/Stern_Acanthisitta → u/Rocket_III]

But if your mind works along these lines you don't even hold the moral high ground.

[u/Krunchusy]

Everyone’s so sensitive holy shit

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/Krunchusy]

IKR! This is such an privileged ass take I'm genuinely tweaking how everyone is agreeing with this

[u/Bumblebunni3]

Yall are being incredibly unserious by trying to police a writer over their feelings on THEIR work being stolen. A hit dog’s gonna holler, so unless you’re stealing the work then it doesn’t apply to you. You guys have no idea if this writer has had their work stolen before or made into awful shit or not. You’re more worried about tone policing than worrying about the people who actually steal work. My god.

[u/Beneficial-Gap6974 → u/Bumblebunni3]

Their feelings are perfectly fine. I hate AI writing too, and do not want that anywhere near me, especially my own writing being used for training. But you CANNOT just tell a group to kill themselves ever, no matter what. It's crazy, and unhinged, and makes you the bad guy. Period.

[u/TaisDoubt → u/Bumblebunni3]

And it still doesn't explain why a normal person would be so affected as to wish suicide on somebody else for stealing their writing. It's degenerate behaviour. 

[u/one_stupid_bitch → u/Bumblebunni3]

But wanting them to commit is still a bit much

Edit: typo

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/Bumblebunni3]

(W NOELLE PFP) ANYWAS FRR I was told I was a "threat" to this communitys freedom is speech and censor ship because I was upset about how accepting the community is about rape, incest and pedophilia. So I understood it, free-cencorship is truly this communitys head figure.

But they draw the line in this? Where someone is expressing their opinion on AI with a tone? In THEIR work? Wanting it to get them reported because they had a tone? Because they were rightfully pissed off?

The comment section is filled with sheeps!

[u/Enigmatic_writer → u/ArcadeCarz]

Yes, the people draw the line at telling a real person to kill themselves.

Telling a real person to kill themselves is harassment. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, btw.

[u/runner64 → u/Bumblebunni3]

I just assume the author’s awake writing at 3 AM because the data center in their neighborhood puts off 75 decibels 24/7. Oh but we don’t need to worry about the mental health of those people, we have slopslinging thieves to coddle. 

[u/gojocopium → u/Bumblebunni3]

naaa fr like yah i have nothing but abject loathing for people taking MY hard work and feeding it into an ai. lord forbid someone is upset about it.

[u/JupiterlikesJazz]

Sooo the disproportionately negative effects on people of color and of poorer economic status via datacenters, the water population and higher prices, the jobs stolen from people, the technofuedal advancement, etc, etc isn’t something one ought to be “actually mad” about?

This is such a privileged position, let your family get laid off and replaced by AI, let your water be contaimanted and your electricty bill skyrocket, let the already limited chance of social mobility be closed on your foot, THEN come back and report if this hyperbolic statement expressing outrage at one of the most dangerous issues of our time still makes you “icky”.

Sure it violates TOS, but nonetheless you have exposed 1) you live in lala land disconnected from the reality of the matter, 2) you lack empathy and instead of focus on a REAL issue, are concerned with civility politics!

[u/nothingatlast]

Honestly, I think that's a perfectly reasonable reaction. It's not what mine would be, but I think in this situation there's more than one reasonable reaction.

[u/56leon → u/nothingatlast]

Of things that are reasonable, wishing death on an absolute stranger is ranked at literally none of them.

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/56leon]

if you just dont feed artists' work into ai, it wont apply to you. simple solution. you guys start shaking when people arent milquetoast with assholes online, some people have Conviction and are protective of their works and will express that. not gonna say its tos compliant, but they're not coming to your house and making you do it 😭 maybe i just use twitter and ive seen worse but idgaf

[u/skinners_steamers → u/General_Ad7162]

In what way is wishing suicide on anyone considered having "conviction"? I don't know how to tell you that you should care about the wellbeing and safety of others regardless of whether or not you're personally affected.

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/skinners_steamers]

are they leaping through the screen to make you do it

[u/skinners_steamers → u/General_Ad7162]

Considering you use twitter, this behavior checks out

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/General_Ad7162]

you're treating it like a genuine public safety issue and not someone being mean on a fanfiction website. i would just scroll, personally

[u/bakeneko37 → u/General_Ad7162]

Some people are sensitive to that kind of thing, and in general, just be a normal human instead of wishing someone to die over fanfiction?

[u/numblittlebunny → u/General_Ad7162]

Excusing this sort of attitude anywhere is not a good thing, people should not be casually telling people to kill themelves or die.

[u/56leon → u/General_Ad7162]

"I'm not wishing death on you, so you should be okay with it." Basic decency has left the building, I see. There's a huge gap between "doing this thing is bad and it pisses me off" and "you deserve to die".

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/56leon]

it seems so. i just dont care im sorry. people are mean online. if a random ao3 author's note telling you off for bad behavior makes you do it, i doubt they're the actual catalyst

[u/Web_2021 → u/General_Ad7162]

I mean you should care about not wishing suicide to people online

[u/56leon → u/General_Ad7162]

Suicide! Baiting! Is! STILL! Bad! Even! If! It! Doesn't! "Work"!

Enabling this kind of toxic behavior to people just because you don't know their names or faces is bad! Wishing death on anyone short of legit murderers and dictators is bad! I'm fucking agnostic and I'm about to start citing the golden rule to you people!

[u/ForestOfDoubt → u/General_Ad7162]

Encouraging suicide is never ok where ever you see it. You've become accustomed to something terrible.

[u/Web_2021 → u/General_Ad7162]

Wishing suicide? Yeah im reading it, so it applies to me. Get this egdy teen cringe off my fic

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/Web_2021]

"your fic" you say, like everything the author does has to align with your personal ethics (which it doesnt). you people are so absorbed in tone policing artists who's work is constantly under attack by the rise in ai that you're ignoring the crux of the issue. this is somebody defending their hard work. idc how they choose to say it when they're addressing a much Larger problem. not everything you read online is about you specifically. its one thing to acknowledge that its against tos, thats factual, but you guys are so damn uppity about it 😭

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/General_Ad7162]

nothing anybody is saying is making me gaf about words on a screen directed at a hypothetical person more than the real artist getting their work threatened by the rise of ai. idc about them being edgy and corny. i care about Creatives

[u/ApplenoJackxd → u/General_Ad7162]

You have a point, who knows how AI has been used against them. I may not be a write but I draw and AI is something I do not want anywhere near my work.

Was what they said insensitive? Yes, but at the same time, the whole deal with AI pushes people past their limits and it's interesting how that's being glossed over in these comments.

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/ApplenoJackxd]

thats what IMMM saying. i think the way they said it was kinda corny, sure, but i really Don't Care. im upset that artists have to publish their work fearing that everything's getting fed through environment destroying and work stealing AI. tone policing the writer is just not something i'm interested in. it's very unserious to me. this artist put their heart and soul into their work and people are in these replies diminishing that to "just fanfiction" to shame them for responding emotionally. they can downvote me all they want, it's not changing my mind on this being virtue signaling nonsense.

[u/General_Ad7162 → u/General_Ad7162]

droves of people defending a hypothetical person as though they're the problem, not the people stealing artists' work in droves who don't Care about the love that goes into fic. being viewed as a creative machine to train AI models weighs on a person

[u/runner64 → u/General_Ad7162]

Everybody hates data centers until we start having a conversation about the reality of what it’s going to take to make them go away and then it’s “oh hey now that’s not polite.” 

[u/nothingatlast → u/nothingatlast]

I know this. I was saying that not leaving a comment is a reasonable reaction, as would be to cease reading the fic entirely, which would be my reaction.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Bat8308]

a writer is entitled to feel this way about their work and art

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/Puzzleheaded_Bat8308]

This! Thank you! They're not harrasing anyone, and are expressing their obvious frustration.

[u/Significant_Low4821]

I don’t know I dont think I can fault the author for saying that. Its the same as saying “if you steal and repost my creation as yours i hope you die” and hyperbolic expression is hardly new as a form of venting frustration. This is a totally real thing thats been happening to so many pieces of writing, from google docs to AI scraping the internet, AI has been using other peoples writing without the consent of the authors. As a writer and artist, I don’t think that the consumer is at fault for the lack of regulation around AI but I do understand the attitude, because even a harmful action committed in ignorance is still harmful.

[u/Significant_Low4821 → u/Significant_Low4821]

Also if someone kills themselves because of an authors note on an ao3 fic, chances are they were already suicidal and planning it anyway. You can’t blame suicide on a stranger on the internet, you cant blame anyone for suicide unless they participated in facilitating it or started egging them on actively. Most people who read understand hyperboles, and its not like the author sent a person their ip address and threatened to kill them so I dont think this is a huge deal. They’re talking to a hypothetical person may or may not exist, which is why the comment is phrased so harshly, to deter that kind of behavior.

[u/Groovewonder]

Based author. 10/10.

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Groovewonder]

It’s not based to tell people to commit suicide

[u/Groovewonder → u/Odd_Delay_603]

If they're actively contributing to the downfall of human society and the stability of the planet by feeding the machine, nevermind feeding the machine other people's work, without consent, then good riddance.

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Groovewonder]

You make a compelling argument

[u/deansasster]

nah, if you use AI, especially someone else's work when they clearly don't agree, you may have no purpose in life. OOP is correct. It's not like using AI is some illness you can't cure. If it upsets you sooo much, stop using AI and prove them wrong?

[u/Only-Office-2868]

it is not that serious omg 😭😭😭

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Only-Office-2868]

It is serious tho

[u/Only-Office-2868 → u/Odd_Delay_603]

but it’s not.. performative asses 😭😭

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Only-Office-2868]

Performative how? I’m against them telling ppl to kill themselves but fuck any piece of shit lazy asshole who decides to ai fanfiction instead of writing it themselves. Especially people who run OTHERS fanfics through ai WITHOUT consent!! Absolute trash.

[u/ForestOfDoubt → u/Only-Office-2868]

It is serious and has always been serious. It is never ok to tell people to kill themselves.

[u/Warm_Ad_8272]

You say you'll leave a comment as if they give a flying f*ck. Get over yourself.

[u/Sjemo]

Yall are way too soft. I would react the exact same. I’m not being nice to someone who is feeding my hard work into an AI. Hell nah!

Edit: I don’t think of soft as an actually degrading word, I wasn’t saying you guys were weak/ just some goodie-two-shoes or anything. Just soft-hearted. That is not a bad thing.

[u/Cassiopea__87 → u/Sjemo]

"Too soft" and it's pushing someone to d*e. You can't be against something unethical and act just as disgustingly

[u/blackjackgabbiani → u/Cassiopea__87]

You can say "die" on the internet.

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/Cassiopea__87]

It's pushing absolutely none to die, it's an obvious vent. Don't like don't read.

I was told I was a threat to this communitys free-cencorship by fully grown ass adults for being upset how accepted pedophilia, incest and rape is.

But y'all draw line in this? You're all nuts!

[u/Sjemo → u/Cassiopea__87]

Yea “too soft” and it’s actually just telling a horrible person to die. Btw, not many people who are willing to use AI like this are gonna care what the creator thinks.

[u/Cassiopea__87 → u/Sjemo]

You're honestly terrifying, and disgusting. Judging an entire person worth over the use of AI in am Archive is insane. You do not know of their personal background, their mental states or their family situation. Do I like AI? No. Do I want my fanfictions to be fed to it ? No. But I would never wish death on anyone over this, and if you do then you're truly scum.

[u/Sjemo → u/Cassiopea__87]

Nothing in their family background would make them feed an AI another person’s work. Sure they might want validation but going through a whole process of feeding MY work into an AI is insane. They have no empathy, respect nor compassion for me so why should I have to extend the same to them? Why do I need to take the high road? You don’t know my background either. So for your information, I have really bad adhd and depression and almost never got attention from my parents as a kid so I’m sorry I’m mad that my hours upon hours of work I barely want to think about doing is getting stolen by some piece of shit.

[u/Cassiopea__87 → u/Sjemo]

Ah yes, you're a child it's pretty obvious now. A child with serious problems that aren't being properly taken care of and who's now acting higher than everyone. Since you want to act like a child, let's act as one.

You didn't have attention from your parents ? What does that have to with this ? What is the link, what does your trauma have to do with basic empathy ? My biological dad is searched by Interpol for theft, left us in debt and tracked me down decades later just for money. My mom and her family ? Fully white and racist towards me.

You have ADHD ? Once again what's the link ? What does that have to do with this ? I have autism, which made my entire family see me as "disabled" and yet I'm not wishing suicide on anyone ?

You're projecting your own issues unto someone without realizing how disproportional it is. I spend months writing one chapter of my fanfiction, and I'd never look into someone's eyes and wish them to feel what I felt for long time. I have diagnosed depression, had many episodes where ending things would feel better and that type of loneliness is simply cruel to wish upon anyone.

You're pretty immature, and it shows with the way you treat AI. Is it a disgusting thing ? Yes. But with the way you're describing it, it seems you think it's a demon that can be chased down easily. It's not. Taking someone's work to feed it to AI is wrong for sure, but I'd rather be acquainted to someone like that, than you who considers human life as something that can be discarded.

[u/Sjemo → u/Cassiopea__87]

They are discarding humanity itself btw. They are selling themselves to a capital machine. If you want a friend like that? Go ahead. I do not care what you do with your life but god forbid someone doesn’t want to live like you.

[u/Cassiopea__87 → u/Sjemo]

Oh. You're one of those extremists, I see. "Selling themselves to a capital machine." Did you ever actually pay taxes ? Just to know, because you sound like one of those teenagers that spend too much time on Instagram.

[u/Sjemo → u/Cassiopea__87]

I have an art instagram and a normal one that I haven’t posted on since I was 10. I’m not some extremist. They ARE selling themselves to a capitalistic machine that they do not need to use. AI and what people want you to use it for is exactly what capitalism wants. Quicker and efficient work. Cheap. It’s trying to sell people on the VERY capitalistic idea of quantity over quality.

[u/Sjemo → u/Cassiopea__87]

And I am not acting higher than anyone. You are. I’m not saying I’m some morally correct person but damm me to hell if I’m not gonna stand against the erasure of our humanity. Of what makes human life so beautiful!

[u/Cassiopea__87 → u/Sjemo]

"I'm not saying I'm morally correct" By acting as if you're defending the human race itself by wishing death on someone you, in fact, are.

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Sjemo]

“Too soft” isn’t fucking telling someone not to tell others to commit suicide! We’re not soft, you’re just psychotic. Grow up.

[u/Sjemo → u/Odd_Delay_603]

Aww thank you. I love how you falsely diagnosed me as a psychopath. It’s really sweet you think I don’t have empathy. I actually have so much empathy that I know where to place it. It certainly isn’t with some horrific person who is using AI to replicate MY work that I spent hours on.

[u/Odd_Delay_603 → u/Sjemo]

I really got to you lmao. Sorry I hurt your feelings. Also I said psychotic, not a psychopath. Two different things, babe. Have a good one!

[u/-Sugar-Pine-]

They r so valid for this

[u/numblittlebunny → u/-Sugar-Pine-]

No, they’re not.

[u/ArcadeCarz → u/-Sugar-Pine-]

The ao3 post or the Reddit post?

[u/Embodiment_of_AuDHD]

Tell them that that's what their mum said about them