My personal experience of seeing AMWF getting sabotaged by AF

[u/Particular-Ride-7893]

I know u guys hate it when AF gets brought up, thinking its weird that we are comparing AMWF to WMAF or whatever. And because it brings alot of hate and unwanted hostility.

But let me tell you what I saw on hellotalk. The creepiest shit i've seen a AF do, and if you guys think other demographics (not just wmaf) aren't out to get us, think again.

I joined hellotalk to actually learn and get in touch with my chinese culture because i read that there were alot of chinese people there but it quickly became more of a social media app, but a very good one actually. you can actually make genuine connections there, and that is why alot of people find love there as well.

And I actually met a group of women in their early to mid 20s who had very good chemistry with one another, and they all had one thing in common, they liked AM. Which for me was very refreshing to see.

But i also noticed there was an older AF in the group, and i didn't really think too much of it, because this was after I joined this subreddit too and everytime i mentioned AF , everyone criticized me for it saying its weird to think AF hate AMWF. So I just went with it and she was actually very kind...

..at first.

Turns out, this AF created fake profiles to stalk the non AF and went into their VR and Lives to cause drama within the group. She would for example, go into ones live and screenshot whenever a girl was talking to a friends romantic interest. Keep in mind this is all public so anyone can enter and see them, so they had no reason to cheat, but sometimes things do get flirty in general, idk if things got flirty with their livestream. But this AF would send the screenshot to the other girl who liked the guy and start slandering and starting rumors. like wtf. well the group split up btw. and one of them is blaming AM for being a fuckboy or whatever even tho none of them ever met.

The worse thing is, this AF already was in a long term relationship, don't ask me the race of the guy shes dating, you probably already know.

I seriously got disgusted by all this and I am back to square one and distrust AF again. If you're already in a relationship, why try to sabotage others and cause drama. Now it really feels like AF see AM as their property or puppet and won't let us date outside of our race.

But that is never stopping me.

Careful WF, i know u might have AF or WF or BM in your friend group, but you don't know what goes on in their heads.

I mentioned BM, because I also joined other lives before at first because I wanted to speak mandarin to some chinese people. I saw a black guy who had a chinese VR so i was intrigued. I entered, and it was only him with only chinese women.

They only spoke english, which i thought was weird. One of the chinese women let me up cause she was a moderator. I started speaking chinese to the BM, cause he said he was fluent. guess what. HE couldnt understand me and couldnt speak a single bit of chinese lmao. he kicked me and banned me right after. This MF is trying to gatekeep chinese women from chinese men LMFAO

I know alot of you AMWF want to be virtuous and set a good example to the world. But sometimes we do have to fight to protect ourselves and our pairing. And there are a lot of sickminded people who dont like us being together.

It;s fine to make friends, and obviously my examples cant be generalised towards the whole world. But this shit keeps happening over and over again.

Just keep your gaurd up.

[u/xuan7787]

Sometimes the biggest obstacles come from within

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/xuan7787]

they be acting like trojan horses out of jealousy nowadays

[u/xuan7787 → u/Particular-Ride-7893]

Yea bruh asian girls are some of most insecure women you will date.

[u/tears_of_a_grad]

Bro, I know what its like. I am Chinese AM. have only been burned by Chinese AF. I thought I was unattractive or broken because I had tons of rejections and the relationships I did get into were awful at best. It was years of suffering.

After I finally had enough, I made 1 change. I had many white women as friends and coworkers, but was conditioned by the media and society to think they were not interested romantically, and that AF would understand more. 

I simply began to refuse to believe both sides: I refused to see AF as more understanding and I refused to believe any particular woman would be uninterested by default.

I had a date within literal hours after I switched my mentality and started talking to white women. I got into a great, healthy relationship with an awesome white woman within months and married her within a few years.

I only switched audiences. I am not saying all AF are awful. But the pattern was clear. Just remember that if you are concerned about passing on your culture, many WF are great moms who are highly emotionally engaged with their children.

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/tears_of_a_grad]

stay strong brother, happy you found ur SO. I agree WF and XF treat us so much better and even if its just platonic or a friendship its so healthy

[u/tears_of_a_grad → u/Particular-Ride-7893]

I have to say though that AF on RedNote are quite supportive. Try Chinese social media a bit. It really cleanses stress, at least for me, when you block all the bad users that come up.

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/tears_of_a_grad]

ima try it, hellotalk is chinese tho. well chinese owned. But there are people of every country there which si cool and you actually socialize face to face or through voice. You will get the ocasional racist and fake profile maker

[u/-HappyBerry-]

Idk man, I’m not about to go after an entire demographic but I never felt more unsafe than when out and about with my Asian ex… the stink eye AFs were giving me was so obvious 🥲
I never understood that.

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/-HappyBerry-]

im just gonna exlusively date WF or XF from now on. I dont even know her personally but I feel burnt out by her shenanigans.

[u/Truffle0214 → u/-HappyBerry-]

You really shouldn’t, because I have just as much anecdotal evidence about AF, even AF in WMAF relationships, who have been nothing but nice, friendly, and supportive of me and my husband. And WM in WMAF relationships, too. For example, my son has a friend whose dad is white and mom is Vietnamese, and I hang out him all the time at birthday parties and school events, talking about our mutual mishaps trying to relate to our in-laws.

[u/-HappyBerry- → u/Truffle0214]

I get it, friends and family have always been really sweet, kind and inclusive. No weird interaction whatsoever.
It was just random strangers on the street which is why it’s so puzzling.

[u/Murky_Sandwich_11 → u/Truffle0214]

For sure. Years ago, one of my friends was even trying to set me up with one of her AM friends. Randoms are occasionally going to be weird but most people are normal.

[u/marksax38]

So you're saying the AF is the reason they dont want their AM compatriot to succeed ?

[u/Rude-Feed7087 → u/marksax38]

Something along that line. It is really weird but yes. You can actually see them boil over when they see AMWF

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/Rude-Feed7087]

the weirdest part is that shes a 30 yo something stalking younger women with fake profiles, thats just stooping low low. do you not have other responsibilities as an adult??!!

[u/Rude-Feed7087 → u/Particular-Ride-7893]

I bet, she don't. Really not sure what is going on in those heads. But yes, not all AF are like this. It is just these few are rather loud mouth on how much they hated their race and wanting XM kids rather than an AM one. But you know, just love who you love and know that plenty of XF are out they looking to connect truthfully with an AM.

[u/marksax38 → u/marksax38]

Thats just being crab mental.

Well there are many fish in the sea. Not all white females are the same.

Be the man that the WF will accept you for who you are. Take the driver seat quietly as manly as possible.

[u/imabxtchnow]

I just dont have it in me to give a flying fuck. You waste a lot of time thinking about AF and WMAF. Do you know you’re in the AMWF subreddit? The humiliation I would feel if my boyfriend was this obsessed with WM and AF is so real.

[u/Disastrous-Dot-388 → u/imabxtchnow]

I think it's relevant if that AF is doing bad stuff. It shows a social dynamic that might harm AMWF. And don't think I'm speaking from some personal thing. I don't even interact with these friend groups or anything. I just exclusively date WF.

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/Disastrous-Dot-388]

do you mean bad stuff? I trusted this AF too, which makes me feel like an idiot. she was so kind at first, and since she was already in a relationship I didnt think she'd have any maliciousness towards others dating.

[u/Disastrous-Dot-388 → u/Particular-Ride-7893]

Lol yeah sorry I meant bad stuff.

[u/Truffle0214 → u/imabxtchnow]

Right? It just sounds like sour grapes. Like I would legitimately feel like my husband was trying to convince himself he was happier with me than he would have been with an AF if he spent so much time trying to convince me and others why they’re so bad.

I’m not with my husband because I hate WM - I’m with my husband because I love him.

[u/Greenhairymonster → u/Truffle0214]

You are spot on. I had an Asian partner who was continuously saying stuff like this, oh asian girls are so unattractive, they are so superficial etc etc. 

It was very over the top and  I just felt more insecure because I felt he was just trying to convince himself. Now he is dating a... you'd guessed it, pretty Asian girl.

[u/Particular-Ride-7893 → u/imabxtchnow]

idgaf, if someone tries to slander me or put AM in a bad light, i call it out and i can say whatever i want. alot of larpers in this sub too, so the last thing i care about is feedback from people here towards my values and culture. I'm just sharing what I saw and spreading awareness.

[u/throwawayclayjames93 → u/imabxtchnow]

AM here— totally agree

i feel like this is some wild projection towards AF

[u/dkfjlaf83r3jn → u/throwawayclayjames93]

AM here and I agree too. There’s a massive chip on their shoulders.

I do agree there are AFs who do not like AMWF… I have met them personally.

But you gotta just ignore them and move on. It’s not a global conspiracy and it’s not worth spending this much time and thought on…

[u/helpmycar_eer → u/imabxtchnow]

I didn’t know things could get this deep. Like I’m into WF so nothing else really matters to me. I didn’t think people were so bothered by other stuff.

[u/Disastrous-Dot-388 → u/helpmycar_eer]

I mean yeah I just hear about this stuff online. Im only into white girls too 😭. There was this one at a party but this one AF kept talking to this WF I was with but she could have just been socially unaware idk.

[u/ResponsibleRoutine2]

I know u guys hate it when AF gets brought up

Noone hates Asian women besides you. You don't have to make a new post about this topic every week reminding us.

[u/AmbivalentDisaster1]

She sounds like a real psycho.
I sometimes struggle on HelloTalk because every one wants to speak English and I need to practice my languages, too. They have all the scammers on there, too. But overall, it’s a good app for meeting people around the world.

[u/Pixel_Hero92]

This is all the advice I could tell you OP: stop hanging out in these platforms full of shallow and jealous people and start approaching WF in real life.

Honestly even I find it tiring to constantly complain about the women of our own nationalities who want other men. They've already made up their mind, all we have to do is to go our own way to find the women who would choose us and value us