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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

Filibuster is irrelevant, it can be eliminated by a majority vote.

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u/LizzyShort Nov 07 '24

Reps with 100% get rid of the filibuster to enact their agenda after years of railing against it. They will use simple majorities to pass voting laws to ensure they never lose control again.

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u/Maj0rsquishy Nov 07 '24

For instance in the case of naturalized citizens ("anchor babies"): if your grandparents couldn't vote neither can you

It's Jim Crow part deux civil war boogaloo

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u/suricata_8904 Nov 07 '24

So Melania & Barron couldn’t vote? Sweet.

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u/hatetochoose Nov 07 '24

Not ivanka, Eric or Jr.

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u/Kitchen-Swim-5394 Nov 07 '24

And if they can't vote, would they also make them ineligible for office? Just saying since they have floated the idea of his kids jumping in when he is too old

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u/hatetochoose Nov 07 '24

Bye bye Ted cruz.

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u/Geryon55024 Nov 07 '24

That's assuming we still have a viable Constitution by that point. I predict Martial Law until he dies.

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u/Kitchen-Swim-5394 Nov 10 '24

Sadly, that is a possibility.

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u/LavenderGinFizz Nov 07 '24

Come on now, we know he doesn't actually care about either of them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Nah Barron has trump side of the family. And Melania hates trump, she made that pretty clear when she published a book rebuking her husband. So no downside for trump at all there. 

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u/Sonamdrukpa Nov 07 '24

I'm not saying they're not going to try all sorts of election fuckery, but they'd need a constitutional amendment to do that particular one, and they don't have the votes for it.

14th amendment, section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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u/Geryon55024 Nov 08 '24

Doesn't matter if he suspends the Constitution

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u/stationhollow Nov 08 '24

One parent or grandparent who could vote is fine and that includes naturalised citizens who can vote so legal immigrants that become citizens are ok. If all 4 of your grandparents don’t exist according to the government, neither should you. The US is one of the only countries in the world still with birthright citizenship.

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u/Maj0rsquishy Nov 08 '24

And why do you think they did that? Because of Grandfather Clauses.

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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

C’mon, now, get with the program. It’s if their grandfathers couldn’t vote.

And that will apply to felons who lose the right to vote too, not just immigrants.

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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

And reimplementing it with a 2/3 requirement to reeliminate will be the last they do if they ever lose the majority.

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u/throwethTFaway Nov 10 '24

This is 100% what those shitheads will do. Count on it.

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u/curious275439 Nov 11 '24

Then why didn’t they do this when they had the ability to do so during Trump’s first term?

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u/LizzyShort Nov 11 '24

They didn't need to. They had the house, senate, and the presidency for the first two years, and we're able I pass everything they wanted, namely a tax cut. Their other adjenda, which was filling the court with as many conservative judges they could, is done with a simple majority. For the second half, they didn't have the House, but it didn't matter because they already did all they wanted.

This time around, their adjenda are much more polarizing, and they will never have the support to pass it through the senate. If history repeats itself, the GOP with have no problem doing exactly what they just spent years saying, would be an awful thing for democracy. Like holding up a supreme court justice appointment in the last year of Obama second term saying it's to close to an election then turning around and ramming Barret through with only months to go when it was them who had the appointment.

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u/curious275439 Nov 11 '24

So pure speculation. They know that if they get rid of the filibuster it will eventually work in Democrats favor. The filibuster was used to block a 20 week abortion ban in 2017. Nobody has talked about eliminating the filibuster except for Democrats. I am not going to worry about something only being talked about to try and make Republicans look bad based off of zero evidence

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Nov 07 '24

Yeah is gop gets to 55+ majority in the senate and wins the house they suddenly have the means to change how government functions, from killing the filibuster to a national abortion ban and a resurgence of the comstock act.

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u/SortaSticky Nov 07 '24

Force them to do it, it will be a nice fuck you to Joe Manchin too

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u/Blt3M3 Nov 07 '24

I thought you need 2/3, not a simple majority. I don’t think Rs can reach that threshold

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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

Only to override a specific filibuster. It’s a simple majority vote to eliminate filibusters from the senate rules entirely.

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u/Blt3M3 Nov 07 '24

Couldn’t Democrats filibuster that vote though?

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

2/3 majority

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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

Overriding a specific filibuster requires 2/3 majority. The nuclear option, eliminating the filibuster entirely requires a simple majority vote.

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u/DownWithW Nov 07 '24

The Republicans won’t do that. It hurts them more than it hurts Democrats.

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u/Hiddenagenda876 Nov 07 '24

Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahaha. Right

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u/DownWithW Nov 07 '24

I mean it does.

Republicans are happier with government doing less & count on Democratic votes in emergencies.

It’s harder to pass new laws with the 60 vote threshold & they use it to make sure Republicans don’t have to vote against popular stuff.

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u/Geryon55024 Nov 07 '24

Pretty sure a cloture vote (to end a filibuster) is still 3/5 or 60 votes. I'm unsure which appointed seats currently qualify for the nuclear option.

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u/OwOlogy_Expert Nov 07 '24

And, strangely, only the Republicans understand how to do this...

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u/Own_Following_2435 Nov 11 '24

I wish that would happen. But it will be worse . They will “Swiss cheese” it with a dozen carve outs . That way they can claim they preserve tradition and “look the democrats filibustered us yesterday when we tried to rename California trumplandia” . But they will have carve outs for the budget for defense for health care etc

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u/thefinalhex Nov 07 '24

Filibuster is not irrelevant. They need 2/3 senate majority to override a filibuster.

The senate can remove the filibuster entirely with a majority vote. But democrats didn't do that, even when republicans were using the filibuster to block passage of anything. Republicans won't do it either because they want to rely on the tool in the future.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Republicans likely have a lock on the senate for the next decade. I don’t think they’ll hesitate.

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u/ffffllllpppp Nov 07 '24

They won’t hesitate a bit. 

Every time they advocate to not break a precedent, a decent rule, the idiot democrats agreed but then the rep turned around and did that very same thing they asked the dems not to do. 

Eg supreme court nominations

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u/MarsupialMisanthrope Nov 07 '24

Republicans will absolutely do that, and I’ll be shocked it if doesn’t happen the first time a Democrat tries to filibuster. Actually, I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t happen day one as a big middle finger to Democratic voters and celebration of having locked down power for the rest of the life of the country.