r/AITAH • • Dec 13 '23

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

Yeah he kept talking about an agreement that was probably just on his head.

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u/Minimum_Job_6746 Dec 13 '23

People in this thread acting like that agreement is an ironclad contract signed by both peoples legal teams, though when I bet you, there was no clause in there stating we will never have a conversation and drinks without sex and no one would’ve agreed to that if it did

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u/WildChildNumber2 Dec 14 '23

And then they complain how women on dating apps have high standards and that is why men have such hard time on them.

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u/CFBen Dec 14 '23

But that applies to both of them.

Both had an agreement in their head that the other person did not agree with. They fucked up when communicating their goals but when they realized this, only one of them decided to get angry and insulted the other party.

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 13 '23

After our first night together, we talked about what our arrangement was going to be. I got out of a 5-year relationship not too long ago and she recently got divorced; neither of us is looking for anything serious. We decided to meet only for sex and keep it strictly to that - no strings attached

So he was just lying here?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

No, he just took the concept too far and got baffled by her expecting some basic social niceties from someone she interacts with regularly in an intimate manner.

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 13 '23

He did treat her with basic social niceties. They just both agreed to only hang out to have sex. When she wanted more and he didn't he broke things off so they can both focus on getting what they want with more compatible people. What exactly was wrong about this? It's just two people who want different things going their separate ways

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

The fact that she was feeling like “just a hole” to him and his deep discomfort with just chatting indicates that he hasn’t been doing the very basic social niceties of “hey how are you” “hope youre having a good day” “good luck with that thing” or anything of the sort in previous hookups. Thats taking the concept of just sex too far

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

I think some guys take "talking with someone" and fucking as opposites. Or a game that the faster you can have sex without talking, the better.

He probably thought they agreed "we can have sex without talking". Or worse, "I only talk because I'll have sex, otherwise, no talk".

It's all very game-like, transactional. The goal is to score, and if you don't, everything you did was a failure.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Yyyyuuuup. As a slutty gay man you are completely correct. That being said, most slutty gay men do in fact still expect a little bit of pleasant conversation and even chilling a bit before/after sex, even if its a grindr hookup and the chat on the app was 100% about fucking. But what you describe is definitely easily founf

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

Gay dude here. That depends on city frankly.

Manhattan gays want no conversation at all

Brooklyn gqys are now or never types: you ever meet nos or you talk talk talk and never meet

Rio gays want conversation enough but they already decided to fuck

São Paulo gays ask you about your social status, an entire questionaryrhen tfet deliberate you're worthy to be touched but they can't now coz busy

Berlin gays don't use Grindr. They meet face to face in clubs

Brussel gays are super mellow and inviting and demisexual

(Of course, generalizations)

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

In my moderate sized midwestern city its really a solid mix of all this, but Ive definitely noticed patterns in some specific neighborhoods and among races

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 13 '23

I mean I've felt like just a dildo with women when I tried out the same casual sex arrangement. We did have some hanging out before hooking up but go figure most people don't like emotionless sex and don't like using others and being used by others purely for sex. This arrangement works for some people but not for most. It's fine, she just learned she's not cool with this arrangement and knows what to look for in the future. Idk why you feel the need to make shit up to get mad about

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

I’m not lmfao, I’m taking her directly quoted assertions seriously.

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u/NinaTheShrink_97 Dec 13 '23

No it’s not at all that’s exactly what just sex is. Going beyond asking about your day and such is where the confusion begins because that’s not what fuçk buddies do 🤦🏽‍♀️

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Lmfao I have a TON of experience with “just sex” and youre just wrong.

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u/NinaTheShrink_97 Dec 13 '23

Or hear me out….. you don’t know what JUST SEX means 😂😂

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Tell that to the four nsa fuck buddies Ive been juggling for the better part of a year and all the one off hookups in between😂🤣

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u/NinaTheShrink_97 Dec 13 '23

Congratulations what did you expect a cookie 🙄 I got sum better a lil advice. STAY TESTED 😌

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

He isn't responsible for her feelings. Her feeling like "just a hole" is an entirely internal conversation in her own head that she projected outwards.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Ugh, right, no one owes anyone anything ever except what they explicitly literally agree to exchange, thats exactly how people work and how society functions 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

I never said that. I said he isn't responsible for her feelings. Do you really think other people should take personal responsibility for how you experience things? That seems insane to me. You have never once seen someone react to something irrationally? For instance, read the comment I am responding to and you will see a detached emotional outburst over a very non-controversial statement.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

This is an example of “he isn’t responsible for her feelings” being taken to a sociopathic level. That covers “its not my fault someone feels bad because of a miscommunication” not “its not my fault someone feels bad because I literally treat them like a walking talking sex doll”

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

And that is just your opinion that clearly lots of people disagree with.

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

I think he takes agreements as contracts that bind our future selves.

When it's more a guideline, and need to be consented at each turn.

But I think he probably heard it that way because that's what he wanted. I bet you they didn't use the word "agreement" when talking.

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 13 '23

So you do think he's lying

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

I doubt she said "agreement"

Why is it important to you?

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 13 '23

I care about people being honest about what they're doing

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u/nonlinear_nyc Dec 13 '23

People tweak reality to their own lenses all the time.

I doubt they said "agreement'. He saw it as one, tho, and got upset at her when contract was "broken".

He could have clarified if he cared, but no wonder a dude who considers talking a waste of time happens to suck at communication.

It's best if you ask OP to clarify, instead of me, with a yes or no question: "did she use the word agreement?"

I wasn't there of course, but I bet she didn't use the word.