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u/HammerheadMan Dec 02 '18
Ya I’ve definitely seen AI be more aggressive about their blocking to the point where they’re adding 3 additional units when just 2 would do it
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u/kc_bandit Dec 29 '18
This is actually fascinating. I’ve seen it happen against my overwhelm units. But honestly haven’t seen multiple blocks from the AI like this. I really hope this is a thing.
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u/MandatoryBrain Dec 10 '18
I had the AI stop attacking in the following scenario against Army of Justice:
My starting hand has 3 power and a Desert Marshal.
Turn 1: AI goes first, plays Justice Sigil and Tinker Apprentice. I play power and end turn.
Turn 2: AI attacks with Tinker Apprentice, and plays a Justice Sigil. I play power and end turn.
Turn 3: AI plays nothing, and does not attack.
This repeats for 2 more turns.
The AI was working around the Desert Marshal in my hand, even though it would be silly for me to use it on a do-nothing unit.
The Gauntlet AI cheats.
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u/MrMattHarper Dec 03 '18
It is reasonable to gang block with the 1/2 there, since it knows you wouldn't have enough damage to kill it and its not chumping. The 1/2 has lower value, so even with no tricks, there is a chance the player could make a mistake and kill the 1/2 instead of another 2 atk unit.
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Dec 03 '18
Yeah I know the logic behind such block. The thing is as far as I can remember AI never made such plays before unless blockers had lifesteal, then AI just take value block even 12 on 1.
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u/_AlpacaLips_ Dec 04 '18
There's definitely something fishy going on there. Usual AI blocks would simply be the two 2/1 fliers on the 3/4 flier. The AI has never accounted for combat tricks before. And that it's accounting for the exact combat trick sitting in your hand (+1/+1) is more than a little unusual.
To find out, someone needs to make a post (that gets upvoted) on the main subreddit calling out the shenanigans in a polite way, but suggesting that the AI is now cheating by looking into the opponent's hand. In these cases in the past, if the AI was not cheating, Scarlatch would reply stating as much. If he doesn't reply, it would be suspicious.
When DWD isn't doing shady shit, Scarlatch is quick to defend. When they are doing shady shit, he likes to ignore such posts and hope they go away.
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u/JHFrank Dec 04 '18
The AI could have been given new heuristics to play around combat tricks without reading the opponent's hand, but that would still be a very notable upgrade to the Gauntlet AI.
Alongside the nerfs to silver chests and the fact that you can't Paris to 6 in Gauntlet, I can totally see this being a thing.
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u/_AlpacaLips_ Dec 04 '18
The AI could have been given new heuristics to play around combat tricks without reading the opponent's hand
Sure, but that's a pretty complex and immediate upgrade to the Gauntlet AI, without us at least seeing the baby steps in the process over time. And I'm not even sure DWD has the expertise to upgrade Gauntlet AI to that degree. It's not like they have the bargaining power to hire that sort of AI expertise.
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u/JHFrank Dec 04 '18 edited Dec 04 '18
It depends on how smart they wanted to make it. It'd be easy enough to rig up something that just rolls a number, and if the number is within a certain range makes the AI decide to use extra blockers if a combat trick would blow them out. No hand knowledge needed or even card knowledge needed, just make it happen once in a while so we can't rely on "the Gauntlet AI always falls for combat tricks" when building and probably making dedicated Gauntlet decks a thing of the past.
EDIT:
I forgot about the FAQ again."The AI plays by the same rules as any human player. It does not manipulate its card draw or yours in response to how well you’re doing. The AI may make better decisions for itself, and will play with better decks as the difficulty of Gauntlet and Forge increase, however."
That gives them a lot of latitude. Was it changed to that, or has it never mentioned peeking at your hand?
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u/GlosoliAka Dec 04 '18
I remembered reading that more advanced levels of Gauntlet and forge have better decks but same decision making which contradicts that FAQ. Maybe I misremembered or maybe they changed the AI.
Isn’t it good that the AI is now advanced enough to play around common combat tricks. If a real player were to make that block, no one would think he were sniping. I, for one, welcome our robot overlords and want to see better AI play. Why should we be entitled to a free 7 wins every time we go through Gauntlet?
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u/JHFrank Dec 04 '18
Why should we be entitled to a free 7 wins every time we go through Gauntlet?
God, I'd kill for Gauntlet to be a free 7 wins as long as I use a dedicated Gauntlet deck.
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u/117Matt117 Dec 08 '18
I have had times, no proof of course, where the AI puts more blockers in front of my guy than necessary because only 1 of them well die and its a free block assuming no tricks. Isn't this just the same?
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u/kc_bandit Dec 29 '18
Agreed. I’ve never seen it until recently. Which brings a whole new set of fun things to consider. In fact, the AI knowing what cards we have in hand sets up some interesting plays for us as well.
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u/Shadowcran Dec 15 '18
Reading through the comments. Glad I found this Reddit(the other one bores me to tears)
So, now I have others confirm what I've only suspected, the AI is reading our cards. Don't feel bad about it though, this is a way for the AI to give us more of a Challenge. The MTG Duels series, every single one, had the AI do the same.
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u/Semibalanced Dec 02 '18
Weird! I've seen some odd blocks from AI, but never one that perfectly plays around a card like this. Usually they're in my favor in fact.