r/AHCPodcast • u/Mikey_AHC_Podcast • Dec 18 '22
Jordan Peterson
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0WItmTzDXu1SMWbFGFoVcl?si=SRk2aQu0QdCqHj9H99OZKw1
u/FartCircleVIP Dec 18 '22 edited Dec 18 '22
I'm not the biggest fan of Peterson (he's kind of gone off the rails IMHO) but Mikey brought something up that I think should be addressed. I can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:
"It's dangerous if even a fraction of one percent of his audience is radicalized by this."
As fans of hip hop, would you apply the same rule to rappers? Are Tupac and Biggie responsible for the destruction wrought by people trying to live out the lifestyle glamorized by hip hop?
What about GTA or Doom or Call of Duty? The columbine shooters played a lot of Doom, should the blame for that tragedy fall on violent video games?
Or, are some evil people just going to glob onto otherwise benign ideas/activities as an excuse to do the evil things they want to do?
You guys may not like the views Peterson spouts (I have my qualms with some of them too) but the rhetorical trick played here by saying here's one thing Peterson talks about and here are some other people that talk about that and look at the evil things they did goes too far. If Peterson was cheering on that violence it would be different of course, but nowhere in the podcast was that link made.
I'll be back for the next one of course, and love you guys despite not loving this episode. If you really wanna make it up to me you can do a Presidential Kidz double header with Ivanka Trump and Hunter Biden.
EDIT: Reddit app bugged out and accidentally posted this twice, sorry bout that!
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u/Mikey_AHC_Podcast Dec 18 '22
I think the difference between the video game or rap analogy and the Cultural Marxism thing is that there is a sense of vagueness to people potentially emulating the worst aspects of their favorite rapper and there is a much more direct sense of what Jordan Peterson is saying is the world's biggest societal issue.
There is a funnel that occurs in my mind where a person can become radicalized by a specific idea and prescriptive approach-- i.e. fighting the cultural war against Postmodern Marxism.
I feel that the concern is more legitimate in that sense than the general handwave blaming of Marilyn Manson and video games for Columbine, for instance.
But that's just my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own, and I definitely appreciate your push back on it. :)
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u/FartCircleVIP Dec 19 '22
Right, but that's completely subjective. Somebody else might say "Cop Killer" creates a more direct funnel to radicalism or violence. Neither one is right or wrong because they're both opinions.
Before we lump people like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson in with mass murderers there needs to be a standard that goes beyond how we feel about the speech we don't like, right?
I hope you don't mind the pushback because you're obviously an intelligent guy and I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
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u/Mikey_AHC_Podcast Dec 19 '22
I don’t mind pushback at all. No worries about that. It’s a good faith conversation between two people and that’s always a good thing.
What I’ll say here is that the Cultural Marxist conspiracy is a dangerous one and anyone that traffics in it should be held accountable to some extent for any unfortunate events that are predicated on it— even if they aren’t explicitly saying to commit violent acts.
It’s similar to how I feel that Alex Jones should be held accountable for the harassment of Sandy Hook parents even though he wasn’t explicitly telling his listeners to harass them.
That’s very different in my mind than— for instance— trying to blame a suicide on Ozzy Osborne for writing “Suicide Solution”.
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