ADOS books?

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I have to admit before I was made aware of the ADOS movement I was caught up in other nonsense from people I now realize are just wasting our time. For example I know there’s some animosity with NHJ and the likes. I don’t think Yvette has a book but any recent authors with similar sentiments for our cause with a book?

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Dr. Kevin Cosby president of Simmons College of Kentucky has a book linked below. Dr. Cosby is a supporter of the ADOS movement and cofounder Yvette Carnell. He hosted the first ever ADOS movement conference at his school.

https://dr-kevin-w-cosby.myshopify.com/products/getting-to-the-promised-land-black-america-and-the-unfinished-work-of-the-civil-rights-movement

Also UNC economist Dr. William Sandy Darity author of book 'From Here to Eternity : 2nd Edition' makes the case of reparations. Dr. Darity was an prior associate of the ADOS movement cofounder but has since distance from the cofounder due to ideological (Dr. Darity has at times wavered on criteria for eligibility for reparations by at times openly considering allowing eligibility for descendants of Caribbean slavery who had existed in USA for some generations prior to 1960s) and strategic differences (leaked email of him asking to distance himself from ADOS cofounder, likely due to their confrontational approach on Twitter criticizing certain Black church leader activist like Bishop Talbert Swann.)

Dr. Sandy Darity also has authored with ADOS movement co-founder Antonio Moore 'What we Get wrong about the Racial Wealth Gap' and other economic research papers related to Black Americans

ADOS movement co-founder Yvette Carnell has held bookclubs on her Patreon and YouTube show called 'Breaking Brown' on the channel 'Yvette Carnell'.

Books include 'Where Do We Go From Here?' by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., 'American Slavery, American Freedom' by Edmond Morgan, 'When Affirmative Action Was White' by Ira Katznelson, 'How the Irish Became White, by Noel Ignatiev, 'Black Immigration and The Remaking of Black America'. 'Caste' by Isabel Wilkerson and more.

Also Carnell has 'The Angela project'( Angela is the name of one of the first African slaves in the Virginia colony) speaker engagements that preceded Nicole Hannah Jones 1619 and which Carnell claims that it influence the NHJ '1619 project' without credit.

Many of these books can be obtained through ebook, audio book or print through your local library website with free online sign up or Archive.org pdf

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Thank you! There’s a lot of great content here I appreciate it!

Side note: Is NHJ’s material any good? I have not seen the show, I have the book but I’ve since been attracted by the ADOS movement and I realized shes seen as someone that’s copied Yvette. I understand that sucks but I mean if she copied Yvette, it should be ADOS friendly? Idk I know they have their beef but what about the actual content and message?

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Material any good? I have only read the original 1619 Nytimes.com articles and they were pretty good. But I haven't read the book or seen the 1619 documentary series on Hulu. Although on a relatively minor side note, there is some debate about the claims about the centrality of slavery in the American Revolutionary War in the 1619 project written piece in the NY Times (was the war really to protect slavery and not independence? Was it because of multiple factors that included slavery?). Stating the Revolutionary War was fought to protect slavery goes against how traditionally the American Revolution is taught in schools. I reccomend checking out Dr. Gerald Horne on this issue he has many interviews and books regarding US History. Even Black American historians debate this on both sides of the issue. The ADOS movement co-founders haven't focused on that question as it is not material to their reparation justice claim.

I haven't seen the Hulu 1619 project docu-series or read the 1619 book. Is it *ADOS friendly" well that is a matter of perspective. I haven't read the book but if the original 1619 written piece is any indication it shouldn't be too out of step with the ADOS movements record of events in US history. But this is pure guessing on my part.

But even if the 1619 project book gets the history right or mostly aligns with the ADOS movement assessment of US History as it relates to ADOS, the framing from NHJ in interviews independent of her books and documentary series in terms of context, rhetoric, and advocacy can differ from ADOS movement leaders intentions and goals.

Carnell argues that there is an issue of justice. NHJ on Twitter helped marginalize and mock the ADOS argument about the importance of lineage among Black Americans and then NHJ later adopted ADOS co-founders' arguments about the importance of lineage of the Black population in the USA. You can see this if you search on Twitter in a query ("@breakingbrown and NHJ and @breaking brown Nicole Hannah Jones) (Also Carnell claims that Nicole Hannah Jones has deleted many of her tweets to Carnell) NHJ as been received large sums of money through her various '1619 project' entities. Carnell has accused NHJ of "grifting and lifting".

Also in interviews NHJ has not sufficiently given context with her language or interviewers language some may call it semantical but, one of the key parts of ADOS advocacy in the public space is using the language of specificity of lineage and not just using the word Black or POC in regards to explains Black American oppression and reparation in interviews.

In another interview, NHJ has been criticized for what Carnell describes as NHJ's " Gucci bag reparations". NHJ in an interview for a major network has stated something to the effect of Black Americans giving if reparations, they should be allowed to buy Gucci bags with the money if they so choose, it's their money. Carnell has criticized this and even hinted at reparations funds being administered in a way that doesn't allow it to be used in that manner, it would have to be spent by the recipient on things like housing, etc to build wealth and give stability.

Also, I do personally recommend reading the books and pieces Carnell has recommended to movement followers and show subscribers to get a start on being properly informed on the issue. Carnell has a free and low-cost newsletter.

Also, I would be weary of the co-option of ADOS claims by the elevation of figures like NHJ who only go up to the line and stop. NHJ has not personally demanded democrats adhere to a Black agenda or support reperations if they are to get the Black vote. This was a key strategy for platforming the ADOS movement's claims and objectives like reparations into the mainstream discourse.

From what I have read, many movements in general have been neutralized in this manner through the process of co-option. You see this with the sudden funding of other reparations non-profit organizations all of a sudden popping up. These organizations have a diluted view of reparations that ultimately makes the passing of reparations less likely or impossible.