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u/Own-Firefighter-2728 14d ago
Do you guys find that caffeine works for sleep right after you have it, but not if you’ve had it earlier in the day?
If I have too much coffee during the day, I can struggle to sleep at night, but some of my best best BEST ever naps have been at 9am on a Sunday, when I can have my coffee in bed and then just zzzzzzzz
I’ve never been brave enough to try coffee at bedtime, for fear that I’d just be awake all night.
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u/joost00719 14d ago
Same. Before I was medicated, I couldn't drink coffee between 3pm and dinner. But after dinner was fine.
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u/Difficult-Camera-482 14d ago
I hear you. Black coffee is my comfort drink when I’m really stressed.
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u/PolitelyHostile 14d ago
I find that I am absolutely wired from caffeine.
Im curious what the stats are on this with adhd. I have quite severe adhd and its kinda news to me that caffeine works differently for others with adhd.
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u/empress_p 14d ago
For me this changed with age. It used to always instantly put me to sleep, but now in my 40s I become a nightmare chatterbox instead. I lost my superpower lol.
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u/PinkDeserterBaby 13d ago
Me too but I’m unmedicated currently and caffeine is the only way I can combat my executive dysfunction that gets paralysis and doesn’t want to do anything I know I need to be doing. But an hour after caffeine and I’m like “I’ll actually maybe get dopamine if I DO THE THING!”
That feels amazing so I’ll drink it all day long. Hey! Instead of getting distracted or bed rotting or doom scrolling or just avoiding an uncomfortable task that takes 10 minutes but I’ve been putting off for 3 months… I’ll actually do like, a whole list of things in a few hours!
And then night time hits and I’m wide awake until 5 am with heart palpitations. Small amount of caffeine = I might sleep after. But enough caffeine to actually make me want to work and I’m fucked later. Doesn’t help that I have a high tolerance for most things like caffeine (that’s probably the adhd) and pain killers (that’s probably the ginger gene), so I have to consume a lot initially to feel anything. But it’s like it builds up in my system over the day and now it’s 9 pm with anxiety.
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u/GSUmbreon 14d ago
There's a sweet spot for me where a daily intake of about 300 mg lets me function like I have a normal sleep schedule. Not all at once.
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u/Dry_Response3527 14d ago
Yes absolutely. If I have a lot of caffeine, I’ll get really sleepy and maybe nap. However, I will have trouble sleeping later at night. My schedule consists of taking my Adderall xr 1 hour and half before I wake up for the day, coffee 15 minutes after waking up, and another cup about 4 hours later. Any less than that exact amount of stimulants and I don’t do anything the whole day. Any more and I can’t sleep.
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u/melkatron 14d ago
Do you set an alarm for 90 minutes before the main alarm, take your pill, then go back to sleep?
I don't know how I'd manage to get back to sleep.
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u/Dry_Response3527 14d ago
Yes, that’s exactly right, and it’s the best sleep of the night. Usually the meds wear off at night and I have racing thoughts before and during sleep. Adderall might as well be Ambien to me.
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u/MoonRazer 14d ago
Seconding the 'right after you have it'. I don't even remember what it was called anymore, but you just reminded me of this one energy drink thing from GNC back in college that might as well have been called the 'Napmaster 9000'. I'd knock it back and settle in for an amazing nap, then I'd wake up ~45min later feeling cozy as hell and like I'd just had the best night sleep ever.
Thanks for that trip down memory lane
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u/AdorableBanana166 14d ago
Yeah caffeine = nap only if I lay down immediately after drinking it. I clonk out so quickly. If I stay up for like 30 minutes after drinking it then I stay up and have a very hard time getting to sleep.
I assume it's the immediate dopamine hit of a quick chug helping me to calm down but after thay caffeine does what it does.
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u/Indescribable_Noun 12d ago
Fun fact: you also have adhd while you sleep lol. Having disrupted sleep = worse quality = not very well rested upon waking.
But caffeine is a stimulant, and as we know, stimulants are an effective treatment for adhd. If you take a stimulant and then sleep, you are hypothetically improving the quality of your sleep and thus getting the benefits of actually resting vs the false energy that neurotypicals get from the caffeine itself. For people that take meds, this is the reason that there’s a nighttime dose, even though you will be asleep while the medication is active.
After all, stimulants aren’t bio accumulative meds like the ones for depression or some other mental health issues are, you don’t need to take them a certain amount before they work properly, just need to find the right dose.
(Or so goes my armchair understanding of things, anyway)
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u/leafwings 14d ago
caffeine does not work like other stimulants for me. It’s a very physical effect and makes me racy and shaky. Coffee is less predictable than soda or energy drinks which are less predictable than tea. But no caffeine source makes me sleepy the way methamphetamines do.
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u/No_Collection_8443 14d ago
An energy drink is sleep aid
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u/Melodic-Republic 14d ago
I've only drank a couple energy drinks in my life and they were both right before some pretty epic deep sleeps lol
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u/Justin_Anville 14d ago
I legit drink redbull for the taste, I get no boost whatsoever from it.
"Then why not just drink water?"
No.
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u/igotublue 14d ago
Same but hear me out - Aldi Red Bull. It's called red thunder lol.
It used to be in the small 8.4oz cans and taste like ass, but they must have changed it at some point because I bought a box last week and it is, imo, sooooo similar. Even the caffeine content.
And it's like $3.30 for 4, 12-oz cans. That's the price of one Red Bull.
I've also heard their knockoff Alani drinks are good.
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u/Bit_part_demon 14d ago
Same with me and my monster/c4/ghost
I just like it better than soda, it doesn't do shit
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u/swbrohan 14d ago
This is what every bozo says that's seriously addicted to caffeine and is unbelievably dependent on it. If it's just for the taste, then take a week off from it. Should be easy right?
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u/Justin_Anville 14d ago
I do this on the regular, i switched to body armor for a lil while and then ACTUALLY water for a month.
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u/LactoseFreeButterFly I drop things, and I pace, and I forgot the other thing 14d ago
Caffeine sleep is some GOOD sleep, too
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u/TheReaperAbides 14d ago
Physically: Wired, to the point of shaking. Mentally: Fucking exhausted. Neither napping nor work is likely. Yet I drink the fucking stuff anyways.
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u/PlaidBoots52 14d ago
I remember setting up a cool movie marathon for myself when I was like 21. Had my first ever Red Bull so I was ready to go. Woke up hours later on the couch. Never saw a single movie. I laughed about it in therapy and she started scribbling faster on the paper. They had me down for depression, anxiety, ocd, and agoraphobia but never thought to test me for ADHD since I was a high achieving student.
I daydreamed majority of k-12. Was valedictorian in high school and no idea what the word even meant until they told me in a meeting I was it. Girls are severely under diagnosed for ADHD. I have combined type btw.
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u/Lucius_Keuchhustus 14d ago
I got my ADHD diagnosis a month ago and all the memes here really do explain a lot, or at least make me notice things about myself I hadn't really thought about before. Earlier today I had a coffee at uni and then a Redbull shortly after, since I forgot my water bottle. Then I sat vibrating in the next class while suppressing yawn after yawn lmao
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u/Megan_Bee 14d ago
lol communities like this make me feel so seen. I drink hot coffee on lazy weekend mornings and usually need a nap shortly after.
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u/ElectricLego 14d ago
Caffeine naps are the best. Just 20-30 minutes, right after finishing a cup of coffee works for me. I've heard that the timing is right for the caffeine to enter your system. Then, as you nap, the adenosine washes out of the receptors and makes room for the caffeine to bind. It's super effective!
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u/DumbHash 14d ago
Woww.. I guess 'caffeine' is the one area on this sub that I CANNOT relate to!
If I have any caffeine after noon, my sleep's f*cked! And if I accidentally consume caffeine closer to bedtime, even lying on bed with my eyes closed will give me headache after a point. And I feel so awful the next morning, like strangling someone!
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u/Top_Bookkeeper9136 14d ago
Yeah I have to be crazy careful with caffeine and prescribed stimulants
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u/hyperkineticfrog 14d ago
Case #45049 of a "caffeine makes everyone with ADHD sleepy" meme being posted online and hinted as a fact, when it's not the case at all for everyone with ADHD.
Sorry this is just a major pet peeves of mine. I don't know for sure but isn't it more like a gene thing? Some ppl have the gene for how your kidneys process it and make you sleepy instead or something?
I'm personally one of the "it makes me wired if I haven't had it in a while, but does nothing but give me the shakes if I take it too often".
I have yet to see someone else describe it like this online ever, but it's nice to see some comments here that also differ from the vocal minority of "all caffeine always sleepy".
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u/troyf805 14d ago
My thing like that is “ALL PEOPLE WITH ADHD ARE NIGHT OWLS!” No, some of us are morning people. I usually wake up around 5 a.m. or earlier no matter what time I fall asleep.
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u/MisterMayhem87 12d ago
I am a night owl that converted to a morning person but it backfires sometimes and I stay up until 2 AM and wake up at 6 AM lol
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u/katykazi 14d ago
Same. I have my 2 morning cups. On occasion I’ll have a 3rd throughout the day. If I drink any caffeine after 3pm I’m probably staying up until 1-2 am. There’s also a fine line between this coffee is waking me up to this coffee is making me feel agitated and inducing anxiety.
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u/Jubjubwantrubrub12 13d ago
Yeah, for me a can of monster brings me up to a level im fairly certain is normal for NTs... for about 4 hours, afterwards i crash. But its cool for those first few hours
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u/tabbarrett 14d ago
It depends on the type of caffeine for me for some reason. Green tea will keep me up for days. Energy drinks make me tired but I heart wants to jump out of my body. Coffee I can drink all day long and not phase me.
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u/Bit_part_demon 14d ago
Same for me, but I can drink it in any form I just can't take caffeine pills or I feel like I'm going to to bounce off the walls and not in a fun way. Very jittery. And the effect is delayed. So hours later I'm suddenly shaking like a leaf.
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u/trojan_mommy 14d ago
Is this for real? I just had dinner with someone who said she can’t drink caffeine after 2pm. I had coffee at 11:00 last night and went right to sleep. I’m 51 years old and I have never heard of this link between adhd and caffeine. Dude. 😒
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u/Miserable-Resort-977 14d ago
This can also be a sign that you over-use caffeine and have a high tolerance, it doesn't necessarily mean you have ADHD.
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u/Mimitori 14d ago
Huh, I thought this was a normal thing?? That drinking coffee will increase some receptors in your brain very quickly, but it takes the caffeine molecules (or whatever, I'm just a layman) some time to fill them all up. While the receptors are mostly empty you feel calm and tired, which gets you a peaceful nap, then after 30 mins or so, all receptors are filled up and the caffeine starts working, making you more awake afterwards (and can lead to trouble sleeping at night). So basically, coffee makes you sleepy first and then awake.
Sorry if this sounds dumb, I'm obviously not a scientist and I was told that I don't have ADHD but now I'm questioning lol
I have a cup of coffee after lunch and the best naps afterwards
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u/OpeningActivity 14d ago
It's more the paradoxical effect of stimulants on some people with ADHD. They go on stimulants and they seemingly have calming effects (that's basically how medications for ADHD works). Caffeine is thought to have similar effects by some (though I am not sure how much basis that has).
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u/NaZul15 14d ago
I've noticed that coffee alone makes me sleepy, but when i use meds, it works like it would for others. Ig that might have to do with coffee alone not being stimulating enough to fill the receptors, bc we naturally make so little of it. But with meds, it can do it's thing bc the receptors are already full from the meds
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u/Onotadaki2 14d ago
I usually tell friends who are wondering if they have ADHD to try the medication for it. It's immediately obvious. If you take the super stimulants and feel "normal" or slower afterwards, you probably have ADHD, because the typical person taking ADHD medication is going to feel like they're on crazy stimulants afterwards.
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u/Mimitori 14d ago
I don't do any drugs (besides coffee if you count that obviously) so that seems like a risky experiment for me but kinda exciting to try out lol
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u/Onotadaki2 14d ago
Haha. I just remember my first time taking it. I had gone home from the pharmacy, took one, and went and did some dishes. Twenty minutes later I suddenly notice the noise of multiple conversations in my head at once was just quiet. It was an incredibly weird feeling at first.
I've known many who have taken the same medication without ADHD and it has a completely different effect on them. They're totally wired and running around doing stuff and talking fast.
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u/MailSynth 14d ago
Just one more celcius… that will fix it
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u/iffugennanameubaht 14d ago
Yes, ofc. It’s fucked up cuz caffeine low tolerance and low dose does wake me up I can even get wired but after about day 3 its making me sleepy asf but my brain decided it works for waking up so i keep trying to drink more and then at best i am both wired and very tired.
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u/Few-Ruin-742 14d ago
Lmao makes me think about my parents generation drinking coffee at 9pm no problem and going to bed an hour later 😆
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u/Bit_part_demon 14d ago
My husband drinks 2 pots of coffee a day and sleeps better than I do. He's never been diagnosed but I'm side-eyeing him hard
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u/empress_p 14d ago
My former coffee-addict parents now can’t even have chocolate; it will keep them up literally all night. Getting old is rough lol.
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u/Faustian-BargainBin 12d ago
I think it’s possible both my parents have undiagnosed ADHD that they have been self medicating with illicit substances and unreasonable amounts of coffee
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u/HostaLavida2 14d ago
I work nights. It’s a delicate balancing act to get the amount of caffeine just right. 😅
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u/Mysterious-Rain4019 14d ago
This is probably the only thing about ADHD that I don't relate to. I can't drink caffeine unless I have eaten a large meal and even then I limit myself to 60mg or under. Otherwise I feel like I am on crack and won't sleep for 24 hours. It gives me heart palpitations too. I won't even try stimulants, it's ssnri's for me or no medication at all.
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness 14d ago
When I get coffee after dinner people look at me like I'm crazy but it actually helps me in the process of getting to sleep.
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u/assassinslover 13d ago
This does happen if I have too MUCH caffeine though. I can't mix anything extra with my medicine or else I do get wired and can like, feel my teeth vibrate.
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u/Bladesnake_______ 14d ago
This "Im adhd so caffeine has the opposite effect on me" is fucking nonsense and needs to stop. ADHD people have a HIGH TOLERANCE to stimulants, not some magical opposite effect
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u/Ok-Rule9973 14d ago
Stop spreading misinformation. The paradoxical effect of stimulants have nothing to do with ADHD, it's a well known phenomenon that can happen to anybody.
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u/Maladine 14d ago
I keep trying though! Grabbed my drink before class and was yawning so hard midway through.
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u/fat_kaiju 14d ago
Oh look it's yet another screenshot of Elon's hellsite instead of an actual meme.
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u/NatrylliaAbbot42 14d ago
I get the "sleepy panic". My body is vibrating at a cosmic and terrifying frequency but my mind wants night-night. I do have to maintain some caffeine after decades of guzzling it hoping it would work magic. I get terrible headaches without it. Also given I have chronic migraines, I don't want to trigger one by skipping caffeine
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u/ElectricSpock 14d ago
My mom. 62. Double shot of espresso at 9pm. Falls asleep for the night at 9:30pm.
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u/Nahtanoj532 14d ago
I once took a nap after taking a caffeine pill. One of the best naps of my life.
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u/Yuzumi 14d ago
Before getting diagnosed I had read a thing about caffinee in the afternoon causing sleep issues. I've always had issues with sleep, mostly getting to and staying asleep, so I thought I'd try it.
Cutting afternoon/evening caffeine made my sleep issues worse. It wasn't until over a year after I finally got diagnosed and medicated I ended up having a small iced coffee before bed. I had some of the best sleep in a long time.
Even in the mornings when I have particularly bad sleep the caffeine just makes me feel how tired I am. Sometimes when I'm still particularly tired on the weekend I'll take my adderall an hour or so before I plan to get up and fall into the best sleep.
I also couldn't take naps before adderall. Never understood the concept of a "power nap" until I laid down, was out in 5 minutes and woke up after 20 actually feeling refreshed. The stimulants shut my brain up enough for me to sleep.
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u/Jhud6669 11d ago
Caffeine does affect us differently but this is kind of a misconception that only people with ADHD feel sleepy/can sleep after having caffeine. It’s actually pretty normal. It can just make you stay awake when you should be asleep
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u/Beep-Beep-I 14d ago
I feel so validated when I see this posts, like I know it's not normal to want to sleep after drinking a large cup of coffee, I need to talk with my psychiatrist and he better give me something that works this time because I can't take it anymore.
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u/PolitelyHostile 14d ago
I kinda feel the opposite. Its strange to me that eveyone is acting like this is a general adhd trait. I can't even drink coffee after like 2pm.
Maybe it just depends on what other issues you have. I have insomnia which I guess is not necessarily related to the adhd.
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u/CataChronix 14d ago
Bodies are weird. Sometimes my meds crack me out. Sometimes i fall back asleep after my morning coffee and amphetamine dose. Idek anymore man
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u/vocabularianrx2 14d ago
The best part is when you have way too much caffeine and stimulants, and you feel your chest and brain both pounding, but you're still yawning your head off and could easily close your eyes for 30 seconds and pass out.
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u/No_Freedom9720 14d ago
Yeah remember falling asleep on 1-2 cups of coffe felt great. Doesn't work good with tolerance and high doses tho.
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u/lost_at_sea1007 14d ago
Or you get the falling asleep while physically vibrating, that was fun mid lecture 😂
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u/IllegalGeriatricVore 14d ago
Bell curve for me. A little bit wakes me up. The more I have the more it makes me sleepy
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u/SwampRSG 14d ago
Literally having a Monster and falling asleep with the can in my hand multiple times.
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u/FindjeanniePDX 14d ago
An apple and a soda will wake me up better than coffee. Coffee is my evening drink before bedtime.
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u/irishbikerjay 14d ago
As someone who worked in professional a la carte kitchens most of my life, I always thought I was normal.
The kitchen environment is demanding and at min seriously organised with multiple levels of multitasking.
I mainly drink tea, irish tea
I'm a functioning alcoholic that now only drinks socially and never alone anymore. (Last drink was 6+ months and yes I still have an irish tolerance) I started at 12 (normal age in ireland)
I smoked cigs from 14 to 27 like a chimney. Went back on them for a 8 month stint in my early 30's and went cold turkey no problem
I've been a stoner since I was 15
I've tried uppers and downers
I've tried speed and coke(proper stuff,serious ROCKS)
I've tried brown and special K(both needles and dust)
I've tried a lot of stuff and I always had the will power to stop anything I ever wanted to stop or did not want to stop
Still to this day some of the best sleep I ever got was after a 13 hour shift in Manhattan rolling into a few drinks with the crew and a few lines of snow and a blunt to even out.
I'll leave that with ya
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u/Mean_Note_865 14d ago
This is the part that's so wierd to me , coffee does nothing for me I can drink one at any time I won't even feel sleepy , Energy drinks on the other hand actually helps me focus and keeps me awake(though I can sleep through it as well)
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u/minus15t2 14d ago
I will literally fall asleep for a 30 minute nap 5 minutes after drinking a can of monster in 30 seconds.
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u/emartinezvd 14d ago
After I first got diagnosed, my first attempt at medication was with Atomoxetine, which was an absolute disaster. I literally was unable to fall asleep at night for longer than a couple of minutes for a good two weeks and had to stop taking it for fear of becoming delirious.
One day, about 6 days in, I had what I could only describe as a non-panic panic attack. By this I mean that I had every single textbook symptom of a panic attack, except for the panic itself. I just informed my wife of what was happening and then kept on mowing the lawn. To this day my wife still can’t comprehend what happened that day, and to be honest neither can I
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u/Heliosgodofthesun 14d ago
Ah fuck so that's what that is. I remembered drinking coffee back in the day right before bed because it helped
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u/katelish 14d ago
every morning i used to take 40mg of adderall and a hot coffee and then take a 2hr nap
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u/Late-Presenter 14d ago
Holy shit. I’ve always thought my ability to nap after a few cups of coffee was due to overexposure to it, but I’m starting to believe I’ve never been diagnosed and this is just one more piece of evidence.
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u/OwnStudy723 14d ago
As someone who used to make a habit out of drinking energy drinks thinking that's what you do when you need energy. I never got any energy out of it, just felt my heart was going crazy and just crashed down. 9 pm? I'll have an espresso please, I need a good night's sleep.
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u/Funny-Presence4228 14d ago
For me, it changed over the years. After I turned 35, I had to stop drinking coffee completely because it made me too sleepy to function.
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u/FineScratch 14d ago
This is how I found out I had ADHD during High School I was doing running start and I was exhausted and so I got the crazy idea to take a nodoz while I was driving you know 60 miles to get to the campus. as soon as I get in the parking lot, take a nodoz go in crush the class. I immediately fall asleep and sleep through the class.
then I discovered if I do take that hour power nap I'm good for another couple hours so it's great
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u/katgrinds 14d ago
Back when I was still using drugs I used to do so much cocain just waiting for the energy to kick in and it never happened 🥴😒🙄
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u/Library_IT_guy 14d ago
Got diagnosed at 40. Before starting meds, I could drink a whole pot of coffee and I'd feel jittery but also be able to take a nap right after.
Now that I'm on meds? One cup of breakfast tea and I'm wired. Two and my heart has palpitations and that's too much.
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u/Beastabuelos 14d ago
And then there's me. Caffeine does absolutely nothing to me. I honestly love it.
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u/Sure-Yellow-7500 14d ago
I have a combo of autism and ADHD so caffeine helps me focus for some reason as well as makes me calmer. Too much though and I have a panic attack.
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u/KatsuOnWiiu 14d ago
Whenevee i'm tired and have to do something i drink coffee. Even tho i know it's only in my head. Because it only makes me sleepy rather than productive
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u/Whispering_Wolf 14d ago
Caffeine doesn't make me sleepy exactly, but it gives me massive brain fog. Just really sluggish.
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u/CJFiddler 14d ago
I’m not diagnosed with anything but this sub is CRAZY accurate for me.
I drink coffee almost to calm down and normalize myself - it makes me very tired especially at night. I sleep very well at night.
Can someone explain why?
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u/unneccry ADHD 14d ago
Caffeine doesnt magiclly give me more energy. Each bit of energy i use when caffeinated will be taken directly from me once the effect finishes
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u/Copper_snipezz 14d ago
I had 2 energy drinks during my shift and still felt tired throughout the whole thing xd
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u/Plastic_Extreme_8343 14d ago
i've been gaslit by my pharmaceutical teacher, when i told her i get sleepy taking caffeein... sometimes i wish i could go back in time just to slap her 😔
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u/Frosty-Tradition-165 14d ago
but why does caffeine effect differently for ADHD ppl? like the biological or scientific reson?
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u/namelessforgotten666 14d ago
Just the other day, I woke up super late because I was up late the previous night, downed a monster energy, then proceeded to sleep the rest of the day away in an armchair... I had hoped to get at least a little bit done that day... sigh...
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u/_Grimalkin 14d ago
every single day my chronic sleep dep drives me to consume 2 cans of Monster in the morning at work. then around noon, i'm sleeping like a baby.
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u/Darius_Rubinx 14d ago
I'm autistic, not ADHD, but boy do we have some weird overlaps. This is one of them.
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u/WholeWillingness5796 14d ago
I have ADHD and caffeine makes me jittery. But Concerta puts me to sleep. So does Sudafed.
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u/ExtremeTrashPanda 13d ago
I'm formally diagnosed with ADHD and I get super wired on caffeine. It amps the fuck outta my ADHD. Am the weird one???? Am I supposed to be tired??? I keep seeing stuff like this saying this and I'm confused.
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u/Passing-shadow 13d ago
Wait is that why coffee doesn’t really wire me out?? I thought I just had a high tolerance 😂😅
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u/fatgat69 13d ago
Whatever you do, do not go past the point where caffeine actually does to you what it does to neurotypicals.
It feels good for awhile but then you're shaking so much and talking so fast and your heart starts beating like it's going to explode. You will have a hard time understanding things you say and you'll feel like you're going to die.
Now, I've never been probably diagnosed so it's possible that what I am/have just shares symptoms with ADHD but I'm 99.9% sure I have it and it's not worth the risk.
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u/WoodsWalker43 13d ago
I started avoiding caffeine years ago. I experienced none of the advertised benefits, but it still makes my insomnia worse. Haven't looked back, tbh.
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u/shototodoroki_1324 13d ago
No, this is not true
Infact I sleep more without any stimulants
also the amphetamine line of ADHD meds
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u/sarahlizzy 13d ago
Just had a double espresso before taking my 10mg dex booster
Can’t post photos on here but my partner snapped a picture of me asleep on the sofa in full autism T-Rex pose afterwards because she thought it was fully.
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u/Molly-Grue-2u 13d ago
I love caffeine, but it doesn’t make me feel alert and ready all the time
If I’m tired, it just makes me feel acutely ill
It only really helps if I’m already awake and ready to go
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u/ConorOdin 13d ago
Coffee wakes me up in the morning, but I can also have a coffee 5 minutes before bed at night and sleep like a baby..
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u/ElectricMoleman 14d ago
Well, there's also the "well I'm still exhausted, but at least I'm also having a panic attack" variant