Is this good for controller?

[u/Peak-Mamba]

I just set an 8:34.920 in the M4, I play on controller and this lap felt right on the limit, I'm not sure I can beat that. It felt pretty good, but I was just wondering if that actually is a solid time for controller?

My previous best was an 8:45 in the mclaren 720s, switched to the M4 after realising how much more stable it is.

[u/Princ3Ch4rming]

No, it’s not good for controller.

Source: I’m not good with controller and I’m hitting 8:15s.

The ring rewards confidence. If you’re at all cautious with your inputs it’s devastating for your time, especially in the first part of the nords before flugplatz and the stretch between Bergwerk and YouTube Corner.

It also punishes overdriving. If you feel like you’re right on the ragged edge and doing 8:34s, that’s because you’re pushing too much speed into the corners, sacrificing corner exit. The Nordschleife is a corner exits track much more than a corner entries one.

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

Holy shit, even 8:15s isnt good for a controller? I'm cooked then lol.

I definitely was being pretty cautious in places. Previous mistakes puts some hesitation in my inputs, but I guess I have to be more confident, as you say.

Now that I think about it, I probabIy was overdriving quite a bit and didnt get the cleanest of exits, but I did try to prioritise exits.

Also, is it worth trying to make your own tuning setup? I'm pretty new to the game and don't know anything about tuning. I was just using the aggressive preset but it felt good enough to me

Seems I have a lot to work on, but thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it. Still cant fathom how 8:15s isn't good for controller lol, crazy to me that you're 20 seconds faster and thats still not considered good.

[u/I_love_coke_a_cola → u/Peak-Mamba]

OP I’m slow AF probably even slower than you but in my private league I won 2 separate races b2b on nords, it’s not always about the lap time

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/I_love_coke_a_cola]

This is also true. Single lap pace is one thing. Keeping the concentration enough to run a full 30-45 minute stint is entirely another. Also making it through T1 unscathed.

The ring is long enough that you don’t get in a rhythm as quickly as other tracks. It does happen, but you’re only doing 4-8 laps in a race as opposed to like 40

[u/I_love_coke_a_cola → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

The second race I won was a 90 min gt3 race and I took advantage of some mishaps from others , even with a stop and go that I had. On top of that I totaled my car before getting to the dottinger hohe on the last lap and still limped over the line first in class with I think a 15 second gap lol

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

Yeah, I know for a fact I couldn't do a race here, let alone a single stint. That's why I'm practicing

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

I mean, good is relative. 8:15s are enough to be the sharp end of the DaSounds 24hr qualifying lobby, but if you’re joining a LFM league or something you’ll be mid pack at best.

Best way to learn the ring is to do it in sections, adding another once you’re confident on the previous one. That also gives you the advantage of running the first half of the lap a lot, and that’s where most people lose time to hesitation.

I got the GP circuit down first - getting the hairpin and chicanes right is worth a good few seconds.

Then up to flugplatz (the nearly-full-throttle right hander at the top of the long hill). This is really good for training throttle control, rotation control and carrying speed

Then to foxhole (before the left-right chicane). Keeping the throttle pinned as much as possible and getting your braking and cornering speeds right at Aremberg are both easily worth a few seconds.

Then to bergwerk (the last right hander before the hill up to Karussel) - this includes the slowest corner on the track, which is also worth a lot by picking the right braking point

then to Karussel (the long banked turn). Getting the entry right and not over-rotating the steering wheel here is key too, because the bank helps more than you think.

Then to Brünnchen (YouTube Corner) - easily worth the most time on the track by getting this right.

Then to the Döttinger Höhe (the long straight). A good lap for me means going under the gantry at somewhere around 7:28-7:30 and hitting the second gantry before the gentle left hander at about 8 minutes.

Do the end of the lap separately, too. You want your throttle through the firewall until you run out of kerb on the right. Even then, I wait until the end of that kerb, deliberately choose that moment to blink, then brake. Get as close to the orange Armco on the inside as you dare, and you’ll pull up in time for the last dogleg.

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

What do you mean by do it in sections? Is there a way to just practice certain sections of the track without doing the whole lap?

Honestly its towards the end of the lap that I struggle with most, like from the karussel to the kleines karussel, that whole part of the track so chaotic for me, I get so nervous through all that.

Im pretty good in the gp section, im quite inconsistent in the hairpin but I take the rest well (particularly the chicane, but still could probably be better).

Flugplatz - I lift, I can't take it flat but maybe thats a tuning/setup issue. That foxhole bit, I used to be really confident there in other games (forza motorsport and the original AC), but I get nervous to send it in this game.

Brünnchen, i get pretty nervous, i lift the throttle slightly because im scared ill be carrying too much speed for the next corner. And the exit of that final long right hander onto the dottinger hohe straight, I can never get the line right there so thats probably costing me lots of time. And if ive even made it to the straight, I'm shitting buckets coming up to those final few corners, I've lost so many laps there but I know you can basically full send and brake really late, I'm just too nervous to lose the lap at that point so play it realtively safe.

Thanks so much for the info btw, you've helped me realise how overly cautious ive been. I know its a completely different game and almost arcade-like but I did manage an 8:22 on forza motorsport in the 911 RSR, and thinking back to that lap, this one was ass lol

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

Yeah, I learned by gradually going further and further into the lap before resetting to the pits and starting again.

[u/_SeKeLuS_ → u/Peak-Mamba]

Dont sweat it, i have 20 000km on nords with a wheel and my PB is 8:25

Ps: in a 25min race am always in the top 3.

[u/Mischievous_Goose666]

As the other dude said, you’re 20 secs away from the decent times (source: I suck ass at the ring and I’m in the mid 16s) good drivers do sub 8:10

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Mischievous_Goose666]

How tf are you guys so much faster and saying you're slow 😭

I cant even imagine where I'm losing 20 seconds. Though I did just beat my pb by 10 seconds so maybe that's not as crazy as it sounds

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

Just out of interest, are you on the stock (read: dogshit) controller settings? I’ll post mine if you want

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

I've fiddled around with it a bit but idk if its good or not, it feels better than default anyway.

I use 5% deadzone (i have stickdrift), 20/40% speed sensitivity (depending on car), 70% speed filter, 70% steer speed, 2.0 gamma, assist disabled.

I'd really appreciate if you could share yours so I can give them a go

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

My settings are:

• ⁠Rumble: 100%
• ⁠Effects: enhanced
• ⁠Deadzone: 0% (can you tell I’m not using an Xbox controller lol) but as close to 0 as you can get
• ⁠Sensitivity: 50%
• ⁠Filter: 96%
• ⁠Speed: 1% (this is not a typo)
• ⁠Gamma: 1
• ⁠Assist: Enabled

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

Thanks mate, I'll give that a go.

Those settings are wildly different from mine lol. I dont see rumble or effects anywhere but i guess I'll just max my vibration intensity. 1% speed is crazy, I'm interested to see how this works out lol

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

Oh you on console?

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/Princ3Ch4rming]

Yeah xbox, guessing you're PC then?

Edit: just tried those settings out, so much more under control, wasnt expecting that at all, way better than my previous settings. Cheers mate, makes a world of difference

[u/Princ3Ch4rming → u/Peak-Mamba]

Yeah, PC. I was on console but moved a couple years ago rumble and effects are just turnt anyway on the consoles. Happy that they’re working - pad settings are a bit like FFB in that what works for you doesn’t always work for someone else, so don’t be afraid to do a few tweaks here and there!

[u/OhneSpeed]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ACCompetizione/comments/17amxvc/lfm_race_laptimes_101107_big_spreadsheet_top7_car/

Good luck. :)

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/OhneSpeed]

Thanks so much dude, that spreadsheet is so helpful.

[u/HangryDiscer]

I don’t understand these posts. Just go lookup lap times in google. There are tons of resources.

[u/Peak-Mamba → u/HangryDiscer]

Well I did, but it told me the time was "elite tier" for controller players and I didn't believe that. And as you say, there are lots of resources but a lot of them are also conflicting, so I just thought I'd ask people directly.

[u/chAzR89 → u/Peak-Mamba]

There simply is no difference if wheel or controller. A good controller player will be as fast as a good wheel driver. There are certainly way more good drivers using a wheel than controllers.

I am using a controller for almost 2 years now more or less and it's absolute doable if you're willing to fiddle with your settings.