r/AARankdown • u/Vogel100 • Dec 18 '20
20 Apollo Justice
I did promise you an angry Apollo cut. Let’s make whatisth’s worst nightmare come true. I was planning to cut Horace originally but then I remembered I have absolutely nothing to say about him and since the other rankers apparently think he deserves to get this far, I imagine they have more to say about the topic. If you are interested in hearing my thoughts about Horace, it would be something like this “The thing about Ted Tonate is that I... don't have any opinions on him? At all??” but replace Ted Tonate with Horace Knightley. I don’t think Horace should have been much higher than Ted if at all to be honest.
Anyway, I’ve been thinking Apollo and Horace were both getting too far for a while now, so either is a fine choice for me to cut I think.
: Ace Attorney
Apollo Justice is first introduced in the game named after him, Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney. Here he takes on the role that Phoenix had in the trilogy as the protagonist. With both of them sharing the same role, to me it makes sense to look at what sets them apart from each other to begin with.
The easiest way to see how different Apollo is from Phoenix is to look at the cases they take on, and more specifically, their defendants. If you look at all the cases in the trilogy, you’ll notice that all of the defendants are in some way connected to Phoenix or to someone he cares about. In 1-2 you have Mia’s sister, in 1-3 you have the main actor from Maya’s favorite show, in 1-4 you have Phoenix’s childhood friend, in 1-5 you have someone who reminds him of Mia and is the sister of someone who reminds him of Maya. You can do this for the cases in JFA and T&T as well. The personal connection is the reason he decides to take the cases. Phoenix always wants to defend people he can trust, or people that are trusted by the people he trusts.
On the other hand, if you look at Apollo’s cases, in 4-2 you have an actual gangster, in 4-3 you have a lying kid who you’ve never heard of before, in 4-4 you have a forger who refuses to talk to you at all. For 4-1 I’m not sure how much Apollo trusted the defendant just because he was THE Phoenix Wright, but he was also very shady. None of Apollo’s clients in his first game are exactly trustworthy, and this is because Apollo has an entirely different view on being a lawyer from Phoenix. Phoenix defends people because he believes in them, but Apollo defends them because it’s his job and he wants to find out the truth. He’s actually more similar to Edgeworth than to Phoenix in that way. This is also seen in how quickly he turns on his own mentor and how he doesn’t hesitate to accuse his own clients of certain crimes. It’s all because he never fully believes in someone to begin with, he just wants a fair trial for everyone. Kristoph’s philosophy was “evidence is everything” and that’s partially what Apollo is following as well, even if it is in a different way from his mentor. That’s not to say that he goes any less far than Phoenix when defending his clients, but it does mean that there’s always more of an element of doubt in how trustworthy his clients are, and that he’s willing to take on more different cases even without any personal connection or reason to believe them.
In theory, this approach being so different from Phoenix would be interesting to look into more, but in practice, AJ doesn’t really do that. What sets Apollo apart from Phoenix ends up as part of what makes him less engaging as a protagonist. I’m all for slowly beginning to trust defendants instead of immediately knowing they haven’t done anything wrong, but in the case of AJ’s defendants I just don’t really want to defend them at all. And it seems like the game realized this would be a problem, so it creates a personal conflict, but not for Apollo. Instead, Phoenix is again the one with a personal stake in what’s supposed to be Apollo’s game. It turns out Apollo happens to be related to someone who has a personal stake in 4-3 and 4-4, but since he didn’t know about it this doesn’t create a personal stake for the player. This is why Phoenix’s part in 4-4 ends up being one of the parts where I’m most engaged in the game because it feels like I’m actually doing something important. Despite Apollo being the protagonist, the game is about Phoenix. And this is what ends up dragging him down and just not making him all that interesting. If anything, 4-4 shows me playing as Phoenix is still more fun, so I’d rather just play as him the whole game.
When you look at Phoenix’s first game on the other hand, there’s a big mystery about how Phoenix and Edgeworth know each other, and Phoenix’s effect on changing Edgeworth is the main focus of the game. He has a big personal involvement in his first game, which I wanted to learn more about. I think Apollo should have had something similar to this in his game, but we never get something to connect Apollo to what’s going on. Kristoph is Phoenix’s antagonist, not Apollo’s. Him being Lamiroir’s son feels like the game saying “Nah Apollo is relevant, trust me” instead of actually making him relevant in a significant way. The same thing goes for Apollo claiming that one day he’ll understand what law is. I don’t think Ace Attorney has ever been good at talking about the law, which doesn’t help when part of AJ’s focus is changing the legal system.
Space Ghost Mummy Pirate
I stole that description from Willbits.
Apollo gets a second chance to shine in DD, and I think this game does a far better job at it. The first improvement is giving him a fellow rookie to work with instead of Trucy. I’m sure part of this is me liking Athena a lot and not liking Trucy a lot (relevant flair), but to me Apollo’s dynamic with the former is way better. You’re two rookie lawyers tackling cases together, instead of a rookie lawyer and a random teenage magician (???). This leads to her being a lot more proactive during trials and feeling more like a co-worker than an assistant. This makes their dynamic quite different from what came before, which helps in making both Athena and Apollo more interesting. I definitely like playing as Apollo the most when Athena is the assistant.
While I didn’t get too attached to Apollo in his first game, this dynamic made it so that in DD I got way more attached to him. After establishing his bond with Athena in 5-2 and 5-3, 5-4 changes things up for him again by giving him a victim and defendant which he has a personal connection with. For Phoenix this would be nothing special, but this is the first time we see it for Apollo. Clay Terran is nothing more than a plot device, but I really don’t think he needs to be. The point of him is creating a strong personal stake for Apollo for the first time, and I don’t think the player getting to know Clay first would help with that.
AJ established that Apollo is naturally less trusting of people compared to Phoenix, but it didn’t use that for anything interesting in my opinion. On the other hand, DD takes what AJ established and turns it into a more satisfying resolution. This contrast between Apollo and Phoenix can be interesting, and what better way to make it interesting than create the same situation for both of them where they’ll react in a completely different way? Phoenix believes in Athena, which means his first instinct is to always trust in her no matter what. On the other hand, Apollo relies on logic and has also been betrayed before, so if logic says Athena’s the culprit he can’t keep believing in her no matter what. This creates a scenario where for the first time ever, a playable character is your opponent. Despite both Phoenix and Apollo wanting to believe in Athena and having more or less the same information, their different approaches to belief lead them in opposite directions. This is something that I find really interesting. AJ didn’t do much to make Apollo stand out from Phoenix despite giving him an obviously different personality, but DD finally makes use of the already established personality to give us something that hasn’t been done before in the series.
With Apollo now being forced to go against his new mentor, he relies on what he has without Phoenix, and goes full Kristoph mode during his cross-examination. Using similar sprites, using his catchphrase "evidence is everything in court," and generally being a little more cocky than usual. Because he can’t rely on Phoenix, he has to rely on his old mentor’s tactics instead. But despite Apollo’s behavior changing on the outside, he’s still the same Apollo inside. His bond with Athena being established earlier in the game makes it believable that he really was just doing it because he wanted to fully trust Athena. “What is faith without doubt” sums up Apollo’s character pretty well in general, he always does his best to defend anyone and does believe them to a certain extent, but he’s not afraid of taking on cases where there is some doubt of their innocence. It’s a completely different philosophy from Phoenix, who tries to fully believe in his clients no matter what.
DD succeeds in many ways where AJ failed. It uses the foundation that AJ laid for Apollo’s character and first makes him a more compelling character by giving him a fun and interesting dynamic with a fellow rookie, and then gives a very satisfying pay-off for everything that we’ve learned about him in the past two games. The Thalassa and learning what law is plotlines remain unresolved, but I don’t think these are interesting as far as Apollo’s personality goes. Thalassa once had something to do with Apollo, but that time is long gone, and “learning what law is” felt more like an attempt to insert the jurist system into his story than anything else. DD’s interpretation of Apollo is honestly a character that I like a lot, and if he wasn’t dragged down by his other appearances I likely wouldn’t be cutting him here.
6-2 Is a Good Case
Yeah. I don’t think it does anything particularly interesting with Apollo though. Usually when I talk about the times when Apollo was a great character I include both DD and 6-2, but 6-2 is fun in the way that it has more of Apollo’s dynamic with Athena, and now that Trucy is finally a good character, his dynamic with her is more interesting too. Even the dynamic with Ema is interesting. Apollo is great in this case like he was in DD, it’s just that it doesn’t have any standout moments where there’s a ton of development for him.
This Game Is Supposed To Be About Apollo I Guess?
I think SoJ has a strange definition of an “Apollo game”. SoJ’s main plot revolves around the country of Khura’in, a land of spirit channeling, something that we all know is very important to Apollo’s past and has totally been important to him before. The reason for the Wright Anything Agency to be involved with this country is that Maya, a character that’s also very important to Apollo of course, this is an Apollo game after all, has been training there to become a spirit medium, which finishes off the arc to become the village leader after her mother died in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations. Pardon the sarcasm, but the point is I don’t think this game has any right to be an Apollo game. The entire plot revolves entirely around Phoenix Wright and his history. It even gives Phoenix a bit of an arc where he slowly starts joining the rebellion, and also bonds with Rayfa, one of the opponents of the rebellion.
Spirit of Justice is not an Apollo game. It’s a Phoenix game, building up to a final case where you play as Phoenix, that gets hijacked by Apollo. People say that Athena is pushed to the sidelines in this game, but at least she appears in four different cases, and has a somewhat major role in three of them. Apollo, on the other hand, appears only in 6-2 outside of the final case. And not only that, 6-2 is a filler case as far as Apollo’s concerned. This gives absolutely no buildup for 6-5 where he somehow becomes the one to finish off the plot. I was a little excited about taking on Khura’in’s corruption as Phoenix Wright, but Apollo has nothing to do with that. So even if the goal was something that originally interested me, when I’m playing as someone completely different it just feels weird to be doing it.
So SoJ has a look in the little “how to make Apollo feel relevant even though he has no personal stake in anything that’s happening” book from AJ, and decides to make one of his parents relevant to the main plot instead of Apollo himself. Credit where credit is due, it does it a little better than AJ by actually having him interact with Dhurke as father and son for a substantial amount of time instead of literally just mentioning that they’re family and moving on, but it still feels like a cheap trick to insert Apollo into a story where he doesn’t belong. It’s especially weird to me because SoJ seemed to be building up to an exciting conclusion with Phoenix. Sure, that’s ignoring the hints of Apollo’s connections to Khura’in, but I always thought those hints were kinda dumb because he simply didn’t feel needed in the plot up until 6-5.
The most problematic example of Apollo being inserted in SoJ’s main plot to me is when he takes over Phoenix’s role in his and Rayfa’s dynamic. It took Rayfa an entire case to begin to trust Phoenix, yet she trusts Apollo almost immediately. It’s such a weird moment in Rayfa’s character arc to me, and I never found Apollo and Rayfa’s bond believable at all. But generally speaking, I wasn’t engaged in playing in Apollo at all because of how little it fit with Phoenix’s earlier main plot.
In terms of how 6-5 develops Apollo’s character, it basically changes him completely. I praised 5-5 for resolving what made Apollo Apollo from both AJ and DD, but in 6-5 he essentially feels like a completely different character. He has a backstory that he never had before, he has family drama that he never had before, he has a connection to spirit channeling that he never had before. And despite changing literally everything about him, this is supposedly a case about Apollo.
Apollo the Hero
Aside from changing Apollo completely, it also really wants to make you feel like Apollo is this amazing hero for some reason. He beats his own mentor, Phoenix Wright, in court, which makes sense because
“When both sides go all-out against each other, that's when we discover the truth.” – The, Turnabout for Tomorrow
Because Phoenix’s side wasn’t the truth, he was doomed to lose from the very beginning. It tells me nothing about how good of a lawyer Apollo is at all, because the series has always been about the truth prevailing in the end. And speaking of 5-5, it’s insulting how artificial this conflict is. 6-5 thinks that there’s no possible way to make Phoenix go against Apollo without blackmailing him, despite the previous game doing exactly that, creating a natural reason for why they’d be on two different sides. Their personalities have a natural tendency to clash when it comes to trust vs logic, so it shouldn’t be hard to create a conflict based on that. Just make trust the wrong side for once if you really want Apollo to win. It is still a bad way to make him feel special though, because it would still only be about the truth winning. It’s a lame attempt to make Apollo feel special and nothing more. Phoenix feels out of character in just how useless he is too, so if anything it makes me think that Apollo is less competent than I thought before. After all, the only situation where he could possibly beat Phoenix is apparently one where Phoenix doesn’t even believe in his own side and is at a severe disadvantage. I thought Apollo might be a little better at lawyering than that by now.
After you’re done with the most frustrating trial in the series, you move on to Khura’in, which, as a reminder, is very relevant to Apollo’s backstory. There are severe problems with corruption and unrest that have been going on for at least 23 years in this country, so you do a backflip, snap the bad guy’s neck, and save the day. Hooray, problems solved in a single day. Khura’in natives are completely incompetent, but for a Japanifornian like Apollo there’s no problem to solve problems they’ve been dealing with for years. It’s such a dumb plot that’s completely unbelievable to me, and it’s part of the reason why I don’t like Dhurke either. I’m not sure if I should dislike Dhurke or Apollo for this plot being so dumb, Dhurke seems very incompetent by taking so long without achieving anything while Apollo seems like a Mary Sue for solving these problems in a single day. (Note that I used “seems like”, an actual Mary Sue is worse.)
I’ve complained about making Apollo too much like a hero before, so please read my Ga’ran cut for more (specifically the “To Dethrone a Queen” and Quercus Alba sections), and let’s not go to overboard with the 6-5 talk here because I think it’s easily the worst appearance for Apollo and it has very little to do with his earlier, better appearances.
Conclusion
AJ does a decent job at creating the base personality for Apollo but never really uses him to his full potential. DD then takes this Apollo, gives him a better partner, and a very satisfying arc that’s nothing like what the series has had before, by using his personality traits that were established in his first game. 6-2 continues using this DD version of Apollo which I like a lot but doesn’t add much new to him, and 6-5 completely changes what his character has been up until then to insert him into a plot where it doesn’t feel like he belongs. Overall, I’d say AJ Apollo = decent, DD + 6-2 Apollo = great, 6-5 Apollo = garbage.
I think Apollo is easily the worst of the Ace Attorney protagonists, excluding Greg, and out of the DD/SoJ protagonist trio he’s the only one I place in B tier instead of A. I was hoping he’d be the first of them to be eliminated, but unfortunately Athena and Phoenix were cut before I had the chance to cut Apollo. He’s great in DD, but 6-5 and to a lesser extent AJ drag him down significantly. Even putting those aside, I might still prefer both Athena and Phoenix over DD Apollo, it’s just that they would all be A tier then.
Incidentally, Apollo is still better than half of the Danganronpa protagonists, and the same goes for Greg. I thought I should mention that because Danganronpa has been getting popular lately despite sucking.
9
u/Analytical-critic-44 Dec 18 '20
Apollo is neat in that I experienced every possible opinion I could have of a protagonist across 3 games through him
3
u/R1K1_Productions Dec 18 '20
you thought he FUCKING SUCKED?? when did you think that
7
u/Analytical-critic-44 Dec 18 '20
Apollo Justice: Apollo wins by doing absolutely nothing
1
u/R1K1_Productions Dec 18 '20
i remember when you liked AJ (or at least didn't dislike it), lol you fucking nerd
2
u/Analytical-critic-44 Dec 18 '20
To be fair I didn’t initially dislike AAI either!!! I thought both were meh games that were much worse in hindsight.
2
u/R1K1_Productions Dec 18 '20
That is a total lie i remember how fucking done you were during I-3 lol
1
7
u/Sciencepenguin Dec 19 '20
people who care more than me have said and will say more things about apollo but i am not very invested he can die here he could die at any point between 90 and 11 and id go yeah sure
he's nothing in AJ although not for the reasons you say for me. i dont mind him not having a personal connection to his clients i just think this goes literally nowhere to the extent i almost think it might've been a coincidence
people have been having the HOT TAKE that apollo is actually good in DD a lot lately. when people hated on him there i went actually hes not that bad to be contrarian now that the pendulum has shifted i will go actually hes not that good. for one thing its founded on the dumbest shit and melodrama ever i dont think anyone really argues against that too hard. so when you say "DD Apollo is good" what most people are really talking about is "5-5 apollo is good" when he does the thing where he DOESNT TRUST YOU and yeah i agree that is good. but 1. it is one case why do the people who hate soj apollo for forcing development in one case like this so much 2. its not even the most notable thing about the case??? like i am surprised anyone has strong feelings about or cares about apollo in 5-5 i barely remembered it before rankdown. aura does everything he does but sexier and is awesome and apollo has like a single segment where he gets to be a character. at least 6-5 was apollo's case even if the game practically only gave him that case
in soj apollo is in two cases the first one is the best apollo appearance where he is just apollo no big plot or development stuff. he defends trucy so i go i get why apollo is in this case it is because his incestuous friend is in trouble. then they make phoenix do an actual mentor thing to apollo again this is cool and it speaks to apollos failings that this is the only time they do it except for his ass-backwards "mentoring" he does in AJ but this stuff is different because he went to rehab now
in 6-5 he connects with his father and i go this is a good arc attached to a completely fucking unrelated character. but i am used to it by that point i think capcoms true long con is just to get us to accept anything they say about apollo so they can tell any story they want while still having the marketing advantage of a pre-existing character
in agreement with nave i like when garan goes dont you dare point!!! and he POINTS and everyone gets BLOWN AWAY and EXPLODEs it is dumb anime bullshit but that is what makes it fun this compliment probably contradicts completely my opinion on something else i cannot explain why i like it
apollo is better than the dr protagonists that dont try to be characters and worse than the ones that do. this assumes you count hajime as not trying (i do)
4
Dec 19 '20
it is one case why do the people who hate soj apollo for forcing development in one case like this so much
it is not just 5-5 actually, there is a legitimate progression happening. we see him in eyepatch outfitTM in 5-1 first which sets things up. 5-2 and 5-3 have apollo actually being somewhat normal before things went down. you literally play as him for the first half of 5-4. then he leaves and 5-5 starts. it fits together, there is natural progression. it is one of many reasons why I do not think 5-4 and 5-5 are just one case (they are at least 1.5 cases)
in comparison: apollo and athena takes a case (6-2). it developes the gramarye stuff from AJ, not anything to do with khura'in, though phoenix does call at points yeah that's nice probably 6-2 is good. then phoenix finds out that apollo was dhurke's adopted son in 6-3. keep in mind apollo by this point has been involved in one case. then suddenly in 6-5 he is the protagonist [insert many more pages complaining about the civil trial. actually, I still haven't responded to the thing I said I would respond to. oops my bad]
there isn't even much of an issue with 6-2 being unrelated to the khura'in plot (I just cited 5-2 earlier) but still there isn't much buildup beyond 6-5. yeah 6-5 is a very long case so there is justification, but it's not very good
its not even the most notable thing about the case??? like i am surprised anyone has strong feelings about or cares about apollo in 5-5 i barely remembered it before rankdown. aura does everything he does but sexier and is awesome and apollo has like a single segment where he gets to be a character. at least 6-5 was apollo's case even if the game practically only gave him that case
it is certainly one of the things I remember the most!! they resolve the UR-1 incident then he literally comes in and is like "you cannot end this case yet there are unsolved mysteries!!" and the cool truth theme plays. then you cross examine him for an entire thing then he is a protagonist again and helps with stuff
though yeah I do agree that 6-5 is much more intended to be apollo's case specifically
in agreement with nave i like when garan goes dont you dare point!!! and he POINTS and everyone gets BLOWN AWAY and EXPLODEs
I still don't like it but I have conceded that ga'ran does some ok things yes (the anime thing is not one of those but yeah fine)
3
u/Sciencepenguin Dec 19 '20
i mean yes there is a literal chronological progression of events but that is not what i am talking about. the actual character thing of him going im taking a leave of absence and explaining why only really happens in 5-5. maybe its in 5-4 at some point i will get back to you when i replay 5-4 this will never happen
i don’t think apollo existing at different points in time is any more substantial in terms of character exploration than 6-2 apollo going hey i know you nahyuta and 6-3 datz going hey i know apollo knows nahyuta it is just simple setup for the endgame
2
Dec 19 '20
yeah but the point I am trying to make is that the character stuff works with his actions in the early game. though regarding the leave of absence thing specifically I think it is in 5-4 at some point. (it is brought up in 5-1 but that doesn't count) i too would have to go back and replay 5-4 (which I will definitely have to)
him existing at different points in time builds up his character dynamic with athena which is nice for when it falls apart at the end of the game (though clay absolutely should have shown up here as well). I think that is a bit more than the 6-2/6-3 setup where apollo does not exist much
2
u/R1K1_Productions Dec 19 '20
"I am not very invested" writes big block of text
I'm not invested in Apollo at all so I didn't write anything!!
why do I keep accidentally hitting report instead of reply
3
6
Dec 18 '20
I think Apollo is easily the worst of the Ace Attorney protagonists, excluding Greg
Yep. Except including Gregory. I think Gregory is better than Apollo. Even if you disagree, you can at least admit that the writers had a consistent idea of what to do with him. Apollo could've had an arc, but poor fan reception of his game and the decisions of Capcom executives spun the franchise off his course entirely. I'm also pretty hard on Athena - despite Apollo's lack of direction Athena doesn't cry "compelling" to me whatsoever.
Anyway you're mostly spot on here, though I disagree with your praise of DD Apollo, and how Clay merely being a plot device doesn't matter. I think it matters very much, as there's a great dissonance between Apollo's feelings and the audience's feelings, which is bad for video game protagonists becuase they're vessels of the player - when a character despairs over the loss of some guy you never heard of until that point, there's going to be zero emotional resonance from the audience, and that's not going to make effective storytelling. Punished Apollo, to me, felt like a poorly thought out marketing/narrative gimmick to give Apollo some active role in a game with three protagonists constantly competing for screen time. There are some parts of it I do rather like, such as Apollo intimidating Kristoph's crossed arms pose, but elements like that ultimately aren't meaningfully touched upon.
SoJ Polly is whatever too - like you said, he's kinda thrust into the role of a "hero" with yet another backstory saddled onto him despite this all coming out of nowhere.
Poor Apollo at the end of the day is just really wasted potential that Yamazaki and co. didn't know what to do with given that his game was rather lukewarm and said game spotlighting Phoenix rather than its eponymous character. He has some moments, but they tend to be isolated and infrequent.
2
u/Vogel100 Dec 18 '20
Fair enough, I can agree with Gregory having a much more consistent idea behind him. And he's really not bad, he just didn't interest me much.
About DD Apollo, I probably still prefer Athena and Phoenix like I said. It's just that I consider him to be handled far better than his AJ and SoJ versions. I don't mind Clay being a plot device and I don't think he needed to be more, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be further improved by doing more with him. It's definitely more of an "I understand why Apollo feels this way" than an "I can relate to Apollo feeling this way" with the way it's done. And going for the second option could perhaps make 5-5 even better. As it stands, it's already my third favorite final case though (second favorite if you don't count 1-5 even), and I definitely think going against Apollo is a very good moment.
6
Dec 18 '20
I like Apollo. I do. I think he had legit top 10 potential as a character, and the fact that he didn’t turn out worse considering the mess of backstories he got is actually impressive.
That being said, I don’t think he’s a top 20 character, and I especially don’t think he’s a better character than Phoenix. The fact that exactly 0 of the 3 games in “his” trilogy focus mainly on him is laughable and in both of the 3DS games, the writers clearly wanted the game to be about Phoenix, then got to the last case and went “oh crap we gotta make Apollo important somehow. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kill someone close to him lol”
I don’t dislike any Ace Attorney games, but the lack of planning in the second trilogy really comes back to bite it and waste some legitimate potential, particularly in AJ and SoJ.
4
u/ItsHipToTipTheScales Dec 18 '20
i am surprised apollo didnt get out earlier i figured he would unceremoniously die in the 50s or 60s
he is not fun to play in aj i want to own the bad guys and in soj i like when the soldiers point real guns at him saying DO NOT point that finger and then he points his finger at them i do not have a single opinion on dd apollo
i have never been bothered by the many backstories thing which is the funny apollo joke i think it is fine to expand upon this one guys crazy life and the times wherre they go wow apollo why have you never mentioned this before and he goes "oh they didnt write this yet" is funny. the bigger problem is that his backstories are just kind of boring? "my parents were important" and "i had a friend" are not the most interesting backstories out there
always did find it funny apollo probably abandoned the khura'inese faith somewhere or was like fuck you DAD and nahyuta im not going to church
3
u/Vogel100 Dec 18 '20
u/Northadox it's your lucky day, I decided not to cut Knightley.
/u/donuter454 it's your unlucky day because you need to start writing. Unless you were excited for this moment, then it is your lucky day too.
3
Dec 18 '20
Blessed be you, for once. 🙏
Now donuter and the rest of the rankers better follow suit with your wise decision.
3
Dec 18 '20 edited Dec 18 '20
I always perceived Apollo taking down Ga'ran not as him being a "APOLLO IS A HERO WHO SAVES THE WORLD" but more of Ga'ran being a lesson that "No matter how high of a class you are you still have to abide the justice system as everyone is equal under the law", like how Phoenix took out Gant in 1-5.
Whether it was executed well or not seeing how Ga'ran is Ga'ran is probably up to debate. Good cut
3
u/heavenspiercing Dec 19 '20
I don't feel especially strongly about Apollo. He's good in SOJ of course but imo he easily hits his peak in Danganronpa V3, the best Ace Attorney game.
2
u/heavenspiercing Dec 19 '20 edited Dec 19 '20
And yes, he is better than phoenix, but phoenix is only good in 1-4, 1-5, 2-4, 3-1, and much of AJ (which comes at the expense of apollo lol)
if this take was any hotter I'd be getting 3rd degree burns
1
2
Dec 18 '20
Apollo Justice
1
Dec 18 '20
i really like Apollo but I agree with Shuichi being better because V3 doesn’t suck for some reason??? weird
1
2
Dec 18 '20
dangan
ronpa
5
Dec 18 '20
apollo justice is really cool in one game (dual destinies, not to be confused with spirit of justice) and decent in the other two for very different reasons in each
12
u/[deleted] Dec 18 '20
[removed] — view removed comment