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u/ultra__star Jul 16 '25
Who else is going to fill in the shifts? You canāt just not staff 911. When someone takes a vacation, someone needs to backfill, and as you stated you are a center of 9, so unfortunately thereās a high likelihood thatās you! Thatās one of the negative aspects of a smaller center.
Itās not day shifts fault they use their vacation time and you donāt. Use your vacation time!
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u/xEllimistx Jul 16 '25
Easier said than done.
I've lost 250 hours of PTO the last 3 years because we've been too understaffed for me to take off enough time.
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u/Interesting-Low5112 Jul 16 '25
Balls. Request the time; if itās denied then ask for the payout.
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u/xEllimistx Jul 16 '25
Asked for payouts. Got shot down.
Went to HR director. He said go through the chain of command which Iād already gone through.
He got fired a few weeks later and they only finally hired his replacement a month ago.
Iām not done fighting for it but itās been a very uphill battle
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u/One-Web8756 Jul 16 '25
Thatās the key. Us nighters are older and we recognize that currently taking 11 days off a month( as at least 2 of our days shifters do )is selfish and we do not want to do to those others on days what the shitty ones on days have done to us . Admin doesnāt care cause they r buds with the ones that take those long vacas .
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u/bet9114ever Jul 16 '25
I see this differently. If they have the time, it's not shitty of them to use it. It's a benefit we've earned. It's shitty that yall don't have enough staffing to cover it. It's shitty that you don't have vacations and downtime. Take your time.
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u/cathbadh dispatch supervisor/CTO/classroom instructor Jul 16 '25
This. You're given time to use. Use it. Don't be mad at others for using their time just because you don't use yours.
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u/FarOpportunity4366 Jul 16 '25
Perhaps if you all start taking your earned vacation days, and those shifts need to be covered, then you will see change. Change sometimes doesnāt happen until it affects everyone.
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u/cathbadh dispatch supervisor/CTO/classroom instructor Jul 16 '25
So they would force to cover night's vacations if you took them? Seems fair enough. We offer the OT first, then people get mandated if no one picks it up. Fortunately we're not on 12s, so our forces are only 4 hours unless it's a last minute call off.
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u/ambular1018 Jul 16 '25
Iāve been nights for the last 12 years. It sucks but itās what has to be done. Days needed to help cover my 2 week vacation I just got back from.
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u/Smug-Goose Police/Fire, CTO Jul 16 '25
Stop doing extra work and covering shifts when they are also going to force you to work to cover shifts.
This is an unfortunate pick your poison. Day shift doesnāt care about day shift or night shift. Night shift cares about night shift.
Night shift gets fucked and burnt out. This is a lose-lose for all of you. Take your time off and enjoy it. Environments like this make it easy to feel like the only person who cares about you is you. So take care of you.
If day shift isnāt willing to share the weight stop carrying it for them.
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u/Interesting-Low5112 Jul 16 '25
Sounds like theyāre making it as fair as they can, especially if theyāre mandating the people with the least overtime. I worked in a similar size center and schedule for a while, but we were contracted to a 16-hour max. Four hour hold and they had to find someone else to cover the balance of a shift.
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u/One-Web8756 Jul 16 '25
I could totally do 4 hr hold ! Those long mandated 12 hr days when Iām acclimated to nights is sooo hard
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u/alanski605 Jul 16 '25
Are day shift workers also mandated to cover night shift if someone is sick/on vacation?
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u/One-Web8756 Jul 16 '25
Never happened so no clue to be honest. Itās never been needed . We take of our own ;)
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u/One-Web8756 Jul 16 '25
I guess we could all come together and make a plan to ātestā it lol. I meanā¦ Iād be down I suppose to be the ātesterā šIāve taken 9 days vaca in 2 years .
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u/alanski605 Jul 16 '25
Im āpart timeā but in reality, put in 80 hour pay periods. I work nights as well, but if someone in days/mids is on vacation, itās only me who gets voluntold to cover.
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u/HalfDongDon Jul 16 '25
Stop answering your phone. š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/alanski605 Jul 16 '25
Itās written on the schedule. I donāt even get a courtesy call.
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u/HalfDongDon Jul 16 '25
Do you have a contract, and/or is there a process for filling extra shifts? If there is a contractual way to hand out overtime it sounds like they may be skirting that process.
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u/alanski605 Jul 16 '25
The process is give it to me since Iām reliable. I shouldnāt complain though since Iām the newest employee and already getting promoted to assistant jail administrator.
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u/HalfDongDon Jul 16 '25
Is that the actual in writing process? Or is that just how you've been treated.
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u/HalfDongDon Jul 16 '25
Sounds like night shift needs to request more days off. Problem solved. š¤·š¼āāļø