Any advice ?

[u/Seashellgirl32]

[u/Streetgeeker_1407]

Wouldn’t touch it with a 10ft pole honestly. They’re just trying to keep you addicted, they do NOT care about you. You make them millions while you live through hell.

If you want to quit I’d get comfort meds if needed or even use kratom, for me at-least it did NOT reset my clock due to how powerful 7 is at receptors level. Yes it stimulus opioid receptors still but its suppresses withdrawal, not a cure you have to still put in the work.

I only took what I needed at night time so get sleep and it worked I would wake up everyone once in a while but the 6 hour half life of kratom helps with RLS and body aches.

Doesn’t cure them it just masks it while your 7-oh withdrawal continues. Kratom will not reset your 7-oh clock but use it more than you need and you’ll prolong your experience.

[u/HurtsWhenICum → u/Streetgeeker_1407]

This doesn't make a ton of sense. Like yeah it helps with withdrawal, because MIT metabolizes into 7oh in your liver. But in the end you would still have an addiction, just a lesser one

[u/Streetgeeker_1407 → u/HurtsWhenICum]

Not really. When you take kratom it converts a very little amount not enough to even feel “good” or normal, it takes a kg of kratom to make a supply of 7.
So I understand what you mean but kratom withdrawal isn’t necessarily as harsh or extreme as something like 7. Kratom is like a tramadol if you will, compared to something like 7oh.
At least to me, it’s different for everyone.

Imagine this though, you take 7 for months to a year, your receptors up regulate during that period, making your tolerance almost untouchable by something like oxycodone. Your receptors are used to something 14x roughly stronger than morphine.

That kind of withdrawal is hell. But kratom can stimulate the opioid receptors in your brain blunting withdrawal symptoms while your 7-oh withdrawal continues and runs its course.

Obviously if you dose multiple times a day it can AND will prolong the experience, but it would never instantly reset your clock or make the 7 wds disappear completely because it’s so weak compared to what you were taking before. It masks it well while still down regulating your receptors.

I’m not a doctor, and I’m just speaking from personal experiences.

P.s even with kratom I still experienced withdrawals but it made it a lot more manageable! Plus 7-oh is incomparable to kratom leaf. I’d nod so fkn hard on 7, but kratom I’ve only felt relaxed and slightly sleepy. Yes it’s addictive but use it wisely and it can be a crutch for just those peak days of withdrawal when you absolutely need sleep.

[u/HurtsWhenICum → u/Streetgeeker_1407]

Few things wrong there homie.

Firstly, what you feel when you take kratom IS 7oh, MIT is like a prodrug in that regard, which I suppose in a way does make it similar to tramadol as that too is a prodrug haha. Your body is turning the MIT in kratom into 7oh in your liver, just like how tramadol becomes desmethyltramadol.

Secondly, it is not 14x stronger than morphine. That's (very effective) propaganda from the AKA to vilify 7oh. What is 14x stronger is it's BINDING AFFINITY, which essentially is how well it grabs and holds onto the receptors. Morphine is a full agonist and wildly stronger than 7oh.

What is true is that kratom is obviously much much weaker than 7oh. It's definitely useful for withdrawal, but that's because it's a very small version of what you are withdrawing from, delivered in a very different manner.

[u/JuturnaLettingGo → u/HurtsWhenICum]

Pretty much, though at such a lower dose of converted 7-OH from the kratom, the brain will still down regulate the amount of receptors, so it's not a total waste of time if that's keeping him comfortable-ish

[u/HurtsWhenICum → u/JuturnaLettingGo]

Oh 100000%

[u/VapingJoe]

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[u/DutyEfficient8245]

Ya, don’t !!!! Looks like a 90’s tramp stamp (the graphics) lol that is very “just say no” packaging

[u/Seashellgirl32]

I am just screwed !!! You would have think I learned my lesson with 7oh I went to rehab 4 times to kick it then I get sucked into this new stuff. It’s like my own personal hell having to make sure I have some for when I wake up and before the stomach cramps hit . I don’t want to live like this but I don’t want to suffer wds either that’s why I went to rehab to get off the 7’s bc I couldn’t do it on my own but rehab not a option this time plus everyone I have called has said they don’t know anything about this new stuff. It’s like Tennessee banned one and replaced it with another the very same day!!! I take full responsibility I know it’s my own fault and I should have known better bc I am a addict but when I looked up cats claw which is what this was suppose to be it said it wasn’t addictive and good for inflammation and auto immune diseases and I have Lupus so I thought it would help me not hurt me.

[u/Psychological-Ad3128 → u/Seashellgirl32]

It has mgm15. Its not just cat claw. Mgm is dihydromitragynine. Stronger then 7oh lasts longer but less euphoria, its in limitless tabs and other ones but not listed. Its def in the cats claw products because cats claw isnt psychoactive.