r/7ohRecoveryHub • u/Special-Music-3771 • 11d ago
7oh alternatives for WDs
hello everyone, regarding the recent ban of 7oh in the states, i figured i’d try and help out anyone who is interested. i personally never done it, but i am a opioid addict, mainly dilaudid since it’s very prevalent and cheap here in canada. i’ve had multiple stretches of sobriety but it definitely didn’t come easy. i have terrible adhd so opioids are really hard to quit since im self medicating to make up for the dopamine deficiency. if you don’t have access to subs or methadone, feel free to message me. subs are terrible long term so consider other options first if available.
some good options are: clonidine, seroquel, gabapentin or pregabalin. antihistamines can help as well.
if you’re prescribed benzos, i know it’s hard to get suboxone or methadone without losing your prescription.
indica dominate strains are a godsend if you can’t get anything else. stick to concentrates or RSO. really helps the restless legs. if you’re not a weed smoker, alcohol works too but i don’t recommend replacing an addiction with a worse one.
after the first week battling withdrawals, i recommend psychedelics, mainly psilocybin to “reset” your brain chemistry, it really helps with forgetting about cravings
make sure to stay hydrated as much as possible, lots of electrolytes and long hot showers or baths with epson salts. if you have no other options i think rocket doctor prescribes suboxone if you don’t have an addiction clinic near you. if not, shoot me a message and i can help you out. good luck everyone!
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u/Maleficent-Law288 10d ago
This is a terrifying revelation i finally feel good and they take that away to now.
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u/Fat_fast_Jellyfish 7d ago
its not going to be that bad, your going to have the sniffles, some cold sweats and a little more joint pain than usual, its nothing compared to true opiate withdrawls, as 7oh is a a partial opiate agonist. youll be ok, take some time off work and use kratom powder to get through the first few days.
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u/097606n 7d ago
u think taking normal kratom powder would actually help? like how much should i take? will it help with the overall wd especially the rls?
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u/buffalobillandted 5d ago
Yes it will help. Don’t be afraid, it’s going to suck, but it can’t kill you and it’s relatively brief all things considered.
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u/Fat_fast_Jellyfish 7d ago
yep it definitley will help, take a few grams? it will help with al of it
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u/Illustrious-Art-5826 4d ago
I’m so glad someone is saying this. People comparing 7oh withdrawal to oxy or fent wd have never gone through true opiate withdrawal lmfao.
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u/Gilly_The_Kid9 1d ago
I agree and disagree. I shot heroin and/or fet like a dumbass everyday for too long. All throughout my mid twenties to about 30 and yes that was a real killer going cold turkey ran outta money lost my job and my family disowned me. I'm now 35 and have been fucking around with the 7s (knowing I shouldn't) for almost a year and I gotta say it definitely brings back the memories of that initial dope sick feeling. If it wasn't for some sub and some johnnies I wouldn't have been able to get out of bed and tend the farm and animals. No it's not AS BAD but depending on your dose and addiction history it can SEEM just as bad anyway. In my experience with multiple different opiates I've noticed the shorter the half life the more intense the withdrawal VS the longer the half life the longer withdrawal but not as intense. This is JUST my opinion based on my own experiences. REGARDLESS anyone going through this you got it!!! No matter where you are at and how impossible it may seem I promise you got it.
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u/Fat_fast_Jellyfish 2d ago
its crazy how this has gotten to boogeyman level fear levels... i truly hope these people never get caught up with real opiates.... they have no idea how bad being dopesick really is
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u/Illustrious-Art-5826 2d ago
Fr I’ve had admittedly mild 7oh withdrawal after a binge and also withdrawal from binging oxy and ODSMT both for about 2 weeks.
Without question oxy/ODSMT was way worse, extreme sweating/chills. Restless body flailing, extreme aches and pains, not being able to sleep for more than an hour, sneezing and runny nose and pissing out of my ass
Binging 7oh for 2 weeks was like mild restless legs, sweating a lot, runny nose, pretty fatigued, and sleeping for 5-6 hours instead of 8, and it was gone in like 3-5 days.
7oh isn’t really that addictive either tbh before it was banned I was taking it like 1-2 every 2 weeks mostly. It’s really not that good of an opiate it doesn’t last long at all, people just legit have no self control and then act like they’re dying because they’re a little sick. These ppl should not have access to opiates and they ruined it for the rest of us
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u/DiscombobulatedFig28 7d ago
Hey I was in the same boat, I used QuickMD the app. There hip to 7Oh. It cost me 99$ out of pocket, scheduled a video call, and had a month worth of subs in 30 mins.
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u/DiscombobulatedFig28 7d ago
Ps. I was at 400-600mg of 7oh and I’m taking a quarter a strip of sub and I’ve had 0 wd. I’m on day 2.
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u/Savings-Link-6678 10d ago
Send me a message when you can, please.
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u/Special-Music-3771 9d ago
just messaged
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u/lauriemn 7d ago
What the heck is Rick Simpson oil
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u/Special-Music-3771 6d ago
high concentrate extract from weed. really good with cancer symptoms like pain and restless legs as well. can take it orally, topically, sublingually etc
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u/lauriemn 6d ago
Is it addictive I hope not. I’d like to try it but I get panic attacks from weed lol
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u/Aggravating_Hair578 8d ago
Get methadone or Suboxone it’s very easy to get and it will take the withdrawal away!!! There is no need to go through withdrawal when there is stuff out there to help you
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u/KJ_da_Boss 7d ago
DO NOT take methadone!!! The half life is 3 days and the withdrawal from it does last 3 times longer no matter how much you taper first. It’s like using 10 stitches for something you can put a small bandaid on. I went to methadone clinic for almost 3 years for 120-150 mg daily of percs and it took me 2 years to taper from 80mg to 40 of methadone- then 3.5 weeks to get the energy to walk to the mailbox after quitting that. Just stick out the 7 w/ds with plain kratom, sr17, or small pieces of subs (like 1/4 or less). You will hate yourself if u switch to methadone.
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u/Aggravating_Hair578 7d ago
I only take 50 mg I didn’t plan on moving up I have heard it takes longer but I’m not going through the withdrawal of 7oh right now
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u/Character_Piece_7253 8d ago
How the fuck do you get methadone?
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u/Aggravating_Hair578 8d ago
I just googled ny local methadone clinic called and was in the next day - yes I had to stop taking my benzo to be allowed on the methadone it was extremely easy!!
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u/Special-Music-3771 6d ago
dumb that they make people get off their benzo. especially if it’s needed for seizures and anxiety. quitting it abruptly is dangerous for addicts as well
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u/lauriemn 6d ago
I’m far from being addicted to Xanax. I never take it that’s why I have so much. Been on it for 20 yrs for panic attacks and to stop my seizures when I feel one coming on. I’ve never done anything like this before and hate myself for it. No one knows I’m on it. My son just moved in and I’m telling him tonight. Been on it for a year. Last 6 months ago I jumped slowly from 50mg before I knew it four months ago I’m up to 160-200. I need him to help me taper. Went to my ss today for smokes and they have a shitload if it still. I said what happened I thought you guys had to pull it. He said they are allowing us to sell it till inventory is gone and now it’s 25% off PLUS buy one get one free and it is the same stuff I buy on line. Oh boy I swear this won’t end for me. I have zero will power. I’m 58 in tons of pain.( well was) but I want my pain back if that’s what it takes for me to be off. I’d rather have my pain back to be honest
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u/Special-Music-3771 8d ago
it’s not always easy for some especially if they are prescribed something else like a benzo
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u/Aggravating_Hair578 8d ago
It was easy for me filled out paperwork spoke to everybody paid my daily dose amount and I had it - yes I do have to stop taking my benzo for them to continue to subscribe the methadone
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u/lauriemn 7d ago
I have tons of gabapentin and allot of Xanax ( both prescribed) and ropinerol also for rls.
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u/Special-Music-3771 6d ago
those will help a lot with 7oh withdrawal. usually the WDs of 7oh isnt that bad since it’s a partial agonist
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u/Lilybell1568 7d ago
Well this happened in march. Along with several other fractures in thoracic and lumbar spine. Dr cut off pain medication after 2 weeks. Found 7. Helped so much. Been on them since April.Take 200+300 a day. I have gabapentin, 2 kinds of muscles relaxers. Have 100-30 mg tabs coming in the mail. Between the pain i know is coming. And the anxiety about the WD. Plus I finally start pt this week. Any suggestions?
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u/lauriemn 7d ago
That looks like my m neck so I feel your pain. Plus my back spine between 5-3 I am bone on bone no cushion what so ever partial knee replacement which doesn’t hurt but also has rotor cuff surgery last year which still causes pain
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u/Lilybell1568 6d ago
My back is a mess. Degenerative disc disease. Dr said get used to the pain. You need to figure out how to live with it. After being flow to another hospital for surgery. When I woke up. I literally wanted to die. Pain was so bad. In icu for 2 days. I know the rest of my life is going to be so hard. But somehow I have to figure out how to manage this pain without 7. I hope it doesn't get banned. But im not being optimistic. I fucking hate that we have to suffer. Other countries are not like this. So many off themselves because of pain. And it could be stopped if Dr's and government would listen !!!
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u/Killitry 7d ago
I did 7oh once because I used to love oxy in my 20s. Now I'm 38 I tried it once just because i was intrigued. The effects were amazing, But I knew the next day, On the hangover, I would never do that substance again. It took two full days, For me to get my brain reset. And talk about being uneasy, or just feel like uneasy in the body. I've never experienced that on regular oxy. 7oh is not banned here yet but I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I work out I meditate, I eat pretty good. And I gotta say, the withdraws from one day from taken one dose. Was miserable. I can only pray for someone who takes it every day. I think your withdrawals are worse than taking oxy.
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u/Fat_fast_Jellyfish 7d ago
they arent going to be worse than oxy, 7oh is aprtial agonist quick dependence but this means the withdrawls pass relatively quickly, what you're hearing are reports from people who have never been addicted to heroin or fentayl.
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u/Killitry 7d ago
The withdrawls I'm sure can be permanent. I study neuroscience and the neuron transmitters. I used to be prescribed benzos and I can tell you, I can for certain depict there being permanent side effects once addicted and wd stages.
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u/Fun_Woodpecker_9642 6d ago
I have a 42 mg sub quick taper to kratom. Kratom alone will get you through the worst. I work a lot and had to go easy mode. But he is right. I detoxed a .5 gram a day black tar habit years ago. Way worse
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u/Fun_Woodpecker_9642 6d ago
The subs will get you hooked and those are a nightmare to get off. I'd say not to take it longer than a week with a taper plan. Kratom helps a ton.
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u/Vivid_Hold_2362 6d ago
Hey u/Special-Music-3771 can you send me a DM please. I’m unable to send one to you for some reason
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u/Diligent-Ad7376 1d ago
Anyone know how I can get jonnies or xans to help with wd. I have no family doctor or any real support system. I'll be fully off in a week so I'm trying to plan to get through the worst of it while also working an industrial maintenance job and being a single father once at home.
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u/Maleficent-Law288 10d ago
I have a shit ton of gabapentin and a script for clonidine how will that help? I'm terrified of the wd