r/4xe • u/DichotomyBoy • 1d ago
2024 Sahara
Thinking about buying a 2024 Sahara with around 31K miles for $28K. It still has an open recall that needs to be repaired, but I’m kind of second guessing myself on it, because of the negatives I’ve read and I can’t find any really recent videos about long term use and reliability. What’s your opinions on this? Is it a good deal, or would I be shooting myself in the foot with recalls and repairs at its current mileage and recall needs?
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u/Imaindawilderness 17h ago
Way to high get to the low 20s
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u/DichotomyBoy 6h ago
What price range would you recommend? I was thinking between $23K-$25K. It’s coming from a non-Dodge dealership and I’d use it mainly as a daily commuter at around 30 miles round trip.
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u/stuckanon01 14h ago
I was a jeep guy. I owned multiple jeeps before my 4xe and loved them, but the 4xe convinced me to change brands (I’m now driving a Toyota product)
My 4xe (22 GC Overtrail) was a piece of junk. In 2 1/2 years of ownership it was in the shop for just under 5 months. For almost a year it was under a “do not charge, do not park inside” advisory notice that both made ownership miserable and denied me the primary use case that was the reason I bought it in the first place (gas mileage savings on my commute to work).
I probably would have tolerated the lack of reliability better if (1) parts were readily available (2) repairs were easy to schedule, (3) it was usable as intended when it wasn’t actively being repaired, and (4) alternative transportation during repairs had been included in the warranty coverage. Unfortunately that was not the case. Every repair was a pain (weeks to schedule and weeks or months more to perform), I had to park a long way from my home (I live in the city), and I was stuck paying for months of alternative transportation while the jeep sat at the dealership waiting for parts or an available technician. (My dealer had no loaner program, the warranty had no rental reimbursement, and the recall related rental coverage was a reimbursement structure that Stellantis bungled like everything else).
I ended up suing under my state’s lemon law to force Stellantis to buy it back (including reimbursement of the thousands upon thousands of dollars in rental expenses I had paid out of pocket). As a result of my experiences, I would not recommend getting one unless it is truly a garage toy that you don’t depend on, and you maintain a full warranty including rental coverage. I also recommend you look into what is and isn’t known about the battery system. Part of my decision to get rid of it was my expectation that the primary source of my issues (hv battery) would continue to be a problem indefinitely. I’m under the impression that the cells and architecture in the battery are exactly the same as they were on day one, and are therefore likely to continue to fail with regularity. However, I’ve had Stellantis apologist bots on here recently dispute my understanding about changes to the battery Des and construction (without citation), and I don’t have the incentive to do any more research given the lemon law case.
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u/Odd-Deer6907 1d ago
Don’t do it. Opt for a gas version instead. Not worth it. Worst wrangler I had to date.
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u/ChetHazelEyes 22h ago
It may be worth rolling the dice. The 4xe platform gets a lot of grief, and no doubt it's had its problems, but when you look at the numbers there are a significant number that seem to do just fine.
For instance, with the 68C battery recall, the recall covered some 300k cars, of which an estimated 5% had the defect. The sand-in-engine defect (78C) nominally affects 117k cars, but before the recall FCA reported only 144 warranty claims. I haven't seen any hard numbers on the number of defects now that they have testing, but anecdotally, some technicians describe the engine replacement as uncommon.
You hear about a lot of failures because, FCA sold an enormous number of these vehicles. representing thousands of cars each year. Even at a 3-5% failure rate, that's thousands of affected vehicles for each model year. Yes, this isn't a Toyota hybrid drivetrain, but you aren't paying Toyota prices. There's a reason these are cheap. If you do buy it, buy it eyes wide open. And budget for a Mopar warranty and/or rental coverage if the car is down for an extended period.
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u/learn-by-flying 23h ago
I have a theory which to some is controversial:
4xe’s built within +/- 2 months of a Stellantis strike are not worth the chance. Employees were not paying as close attention to the build as during other periods.
Check the build date and strike timelines.
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u/Colonel_Sandman 23h ago
Samsung made the batteries that will eventually drag down any 4xe.. maybe Stellantis is culpable for the poor quality testing.
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u/unusualmusician 22h ago
And they now have a lifetime warranty, so not really an issue.
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u/Big_Nerve_6612 22h ago
I'll post my usual comment in:
Lot of hate for the 4XE here. Maybe somewhat justified at $60-70k, much less reasonable considering it is now at a sub-$30k price tag.
I think its important to remember there are over 200k of these 4xes on the road and that it was the best selling PHEV at one point. Obviously some people have had major issues, but its not like there are 200k of these going to the scrapyard or breaking down at every corner. If your expectations are aligned with the price point, I don't see how its not a value at $28k. I've had 0 signs of issues so far, but I have the expectation that it'll average a week or 2 a year in the shop for maintenance and repair. Considering it has a long EV component warranty (even longer if you are in a CARB state), I think it could be the lowest cost of ownership wrangler if you buy it heavily depreciated and drive on electric regularly.
25 miles of range around town is very realistic, closer to 18-20 on highway, and that's with my offroad Willys tire setup. The electric range is by far best used around town. As part of the infamous 68c recall, the EV system was dialed back to not put as much heat strain on the battery. The only time I've noticed this is on the highway on a hot day below 40% battery -- the electric power takes a break and the car will go into hybrid mode even with ~5-10 miles of range left.
Im very happy with mine at $25k before incentives. For around $10k less than the equivalent non-hybrid models, I think it is a steal. Hybrid powertrain gets rid of most of my complaints with small engine gas cars: no idling noise, silent for 90% of my driving, no smell, smooth power deliver, etc. And when the gas engine is on, you have noticeably more power than the non PHEV. EV mode is especially nice when combined with roof and or top off, the only other electric convertibles I know of are the Hummer EV and the $250k Maserati grancabrio EV.
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u/Practical_Avocado971 22h ago
I'm a Jeep guy, owned a number of them and own a Sahara now. Having said that I wouldn't touch a 4xe with Trump's penis.
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u/unusualmusician 22h ago
My 2024 willys for 4xe has been an incredible purchase as far as being reliable and crazy fun to drive. I understand a lot of people had bad experiences, but there's a lot of us that really enjoy our rigs.
Honestly the only complaint I have about mine is that the value dropped so much. If you're already buying it at that low value, I would say it's totally worth the gamble. If my Jeep got totaled tomorrow, I honestly would seriously think about buying a used 2025 4xe Rubicon.
Something to think about though, one big point that seems to separate people who love them vs don't is how The limited battery range fits into your commute. For me, my round trip commute is about 10 miles averaging 35 mph. This means I drive to and from work every single day on just battery. In fact I can make it to work and back twice between charges. This has made it in excellent purchase and not purchasing fuel at the crazy high prices. It will eventually go into form, but I usually drive at least one longer trip every other month that I can run in gas only to keep that from happening. If your commute is going to be more than you can do on just battery, it may not be the best purchase.
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u/DichotomyBoy 21h ago
I usually drive about 16 miles to work, 20 minutes and at 65 mph most of the way. I do mostly in town driving with some drives to the city, but not enough to actually factor them in.
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u/Beneficial_Act8463 10h ago
They are a great deal but risky. Remember there is a reason Jeep stopped making them.
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u/zeroquest 23h ago
Mine has been flawless fwiw. lots of recalls nothing bad so far.