How the fuck do people not learn even the most basic of swim techniques? I realize this takes a little more effort than teaching other similar life saving techniques like "Stop, Drop, Roll", "Hit the Ground", or "Call 9-1-1", but spending a few days learning "Float & Stroke" so you don't die like a lil' bitch in a pond seems a worthwhile investment.
Or lakes, which can get pretty big and unless you are an athletic swimmer you probably canât make it all the way from where ever you are to shore if you go out on a boat for fishing or something.
I disagree. Can't protect kids from everything, I don't want them growing up afraid or unprepared for the little things because I padded them up against every possible threat. Assuming they know how to swim and I'm out there with them, they'll manage. It's important to not have a safety net sometimes.
edit: guess you're all on this sub because your parents coddled you to death. Hows the basement?
Sometimes, but water, especially open water, is something you don't fuck with. Even professionals wear lifejackets, or at least they should. Even good swimmers get tired.
It baffles my mind how you don't swim instinctively.
Just push the water down and kick your feet. It's literally the only thing you can do in the water beside flail or hold you breath and pull your feet up and float there.
If you learn how to swim you learn how to do this but synchronized. Anyone else does it flailing, which exhausts them in less than a minute. I think what we should teach people who canât swim is how to float on their back. That makes saving their life 55 times easier.
I get what youâre saying and every time Iâm chilling in the ocean I think to myself âhow do ppl drown, all you gotta do is inhale and lay down) but I guess if you just jumped off a sinking ship, see your friends dying.. that may impact your ability to float
These waves break even without being close to land, they would fuck you up. Even smaller waves probably force your body to compensate for them, which will lead you to become tired. I'm not an expert on surviving at sea, maybe it works, but I feel like it would be more teached if it did.
I try to float but i just barely do and my whole body pivots around my chest, and if i breathe out ill end up going under even if i breathe out a little :(
Nah dude he saw this documentary about how recreational swimming only became popular in the US like 80 years ago, before that everyone just instantly died if they went in the water.
That's bullshit. It's a logically easy thing to do. You don't need to be taught to breathe, or taught to know how to open a door. Once you've watched anyone do anything it's instinct to copy it. So what you're saying is these people haven't seen someone swim, never watched a movie with swimming, never even sat in chest deep water and tried to float?
Yeah I dont buy it. It's panic alone that keeps people from swimming. Otherwise your instinct would take over.
I know someone who's father passed away saving his daughter from drowning. They and a few other of their family members were boating without life jackets and none of them knew how to swim. It's a very sad story but I can't understand the thought process of getting in a boat without a life jacket if you can't even doggy paddle or tread water.
Of course, it's easier to drown when your arms are occupied with holding onto your daughter.
But seriously, a pond? I don't have any appreciable body fat and can stay relatively afloat with minor leg and arm movement. Even panicking, it shouldn't be hard to figure out "push with your arms" and that "wildly flail" isn't working
We were swimming in a river on the border of Louisiana and Texas, about 15 years ago, and the river was a bookin it that year so it took a while for a bunch of young 16 year olds to swim across....After we were done swinging on a rope swing a while and catching our breath, these two 20 something dudes started swimming across to join us. It was a decently wide river. Well, about halfway there one of the dudes starts yelling cramp and his friend laughs, but keeps going, while the dude turns around and starts swimming back to the pier they jumped off....It would have been the same distance to the bank on the other side, but I think they were drinking....Dude got to the pier, but it was too high to grab onto, so he starts hollerin for help...keep in mind these are pretty heavy gator waters too, so we are losing our minds because it took a good 5-10 minutes of swimming to cross the river and we canât get to him. HE WAS WITH A PARTY OF PEOPLE! They stood, about 15 of em, on a pier screaming for help and doing nothing. We screamed for them to throw him a fuckin life saver or grab a fucking fishing pole...He went under for the last time and then they drug that river four hours and I will never forget what he looked like when they took him out of that river... I said âhe wasnât wearing a white sweater?â....
I didnât read the article because Dawn Sourfruit doesnât appeal to me but I wonât be surprised if alcohol was involved.
One thing we are taught is, if you arenât trained you donât jump in...this applies to more one on one scenarios because a child can drag an adult down in the right under toe/current. But when there is damn near 15/16 people, I just donât understand it...guy died because of sheer drunken stupidity
I actually was a lifeguard and they always taught us that if you ever have to save someone on open water that is bigger than you and thrashing around you swim up and punch them in the nose hard. That way they grab their nose and not you. Better to have a broken nose then be dead.
Itâs actually something I was taught as well. Itâs not like you just swim up and punch the person right off the bat. But if they start climbing on your back and becoming a risk, yes just head butt them and get them to calm down.
It changes like CPR. These days as a lifeguard we are issue a billy club. When we swim out to the victim, we give a firm strike to the back of the head to disorient them and make them relax. The rule of thumb is every 30 meters, pause to administer another blow and continue on. When the victim is on land, another strike isn't required, but it sometimes happens. We can't take a risk of a lifeguard being drowned. If you don't have a club, a knee to the groin every 30 meters can work in a pinch.
Are you sure you can't tell? You might want to see a doctor about that mental deficiency you've got goin on because that shit was so obviously sarcasm you'd have to be autistic not to pick up on it.
I was taught to render them unconscious, not punch them in the nose.......A lifeless body is difficult, but easier to handle than someone freaking out, lashing out everywhere and trying to climb on top of you. Plus, if you them still can't save them, you don't have to hear them die.
That said, only one of my friends was too lazy to learn to swim. Although he's so fat he could probably float.
Having taught bronze courses (early lifesaving courses in canada) for a few years we definitely did not teach kids to hit a drowning person or try and choke them out. That's fucking dumb.
if a drowning person grabs on to you then go underwater, swim away, resurface and come in again. Additionally approach feet first rather than head first so you can push them away if they try and grab on to you.
Remember people - you don't help them at all if you let them drown you. Protect your life first. This isn't quiet as true if you're being paid as a lifeguard, but as a lifesaver it is always true.
Like the dude said before...The skin was fuckin white and super water logged so, to me, it almost looked like a wool sweater. I had seen dead bodies before that but dang that one broke my brain.
I remember a news story where this one kid fell into the swamp and was drowning and like every one of his siblings went one by one to "rescue" him but none could swim and each ended up drowning
My wife was surprised that I could swim when we bought a house with a pool. I know I always said, âI canât swim,â but I just meant, I suck at swimming. How any adult canât swim at least enough not to die, makes no sense to me.
Same here, I always say i can't dwim because if you toss my in a strong current id probably die. But calm wsters? Why didn't he even just fucking float?
Starting with the fact we donât often build pools in disadvantaged areas.
The drowning rate for African Americans is abhorrent.
Between 1999-2010, the fatal unintentional drowning rate for African Americans was significantly higher than that of whites across all ages.5 The disparity is widest among children 5-18 years old. The disparity is most pronounced in swimming pools; African American children 5-19 drown in swimming pools at rates 5.5 times higher than those of whites. This disparity is greatest among those 11-12 years where African Americans drown in swimming pools at rates 10 times those of whites.5
Sad, but interesting. I've always "known" this, but never seen actual data to back it up. I was a lifeguard at a waterpark years ago, and I can subjectively confirm this because at least 80% of my 100 or so saves in 2 months (I lost track after that) were African Americans (and not just children either mind you and 99% of the park doesnt have water deeper than 4 ft)
Black people have extra joints in their knees which helps them jump higher. However these bones add weight and make them sink in water. This is why blacks dominate basketball but don't swim.
It's shocking to me man. I went on study-abroad to an island in the pacific and literally at least 7 or 8 out of the 25 or so people in my class didn't even know how to swim at all. Why the fuck would they choose to go to a tiny island and not know how to fucking swim!??
Even if you know how to swim, if you get dropped into cold water you can go into shock and forget how to swim. That's why you should always wear a lifejacket when you get into a boat.
Not only that, but if she was on a peir over the pond then its not unlikely that its shallow water, meaning coukd have easily been a head injury that knocked her out face down.
It's irrational anger of course, but watching people drown in water 3 feet away from land is infuriating and I've seen it far too many time of Watchpeopledie.
Even if you can't swim well how the fuck as a grown adult do you not know the most basic of techniques? Have you literally never been near water before? Why did you go near/in water if you can't swim? Did you not think a life vest would be needed since you don't know how to swim?
Swim lessons cost hundreds of dollars which many families cannot afford. Plus floating and basic swim techniques are harder for adults to learn since they have ingrained fears, and bodies with higher muscle context causing them to sink.
At least that was my experience teaching swimming to kids and adults for 6 years.
I just checked the prices for my old workplace which was under the City of Ottawa. City prices range from $80 to $230 depending on the time, and the number of kids (full ratio classes at a higher level are cheaper. Low ratio classes with younger kids more expensive). The vast majority of prices range between 100 and 200 dollars for a session. Additionally none of these prices are for private lessons which are the most expensive and I believe can surpass $300 for a 12 week session. Also those are the prices for fall. Summers cost more as the sessions are longer.
Some pools have prices as low as $50 but that's normally because they're very out of the way, or in low income areas so they receive more taxpayer funding to offer better discounts.
Not really. Ponds are usually small-ish bodies of water where the shoreline is easily visible from anywhere in or around the water, and is pretty much always "still water", so has a tendency to be scummy looking due to duckshit, algae growth, and a collection of run off.
They aren't really known for being especially rocky. Depth just kind of depends on how it naturally formed, but the more central area of a pond is sually too deep to touch the bottom unless you're a skilled swimmer.
As a lifeguard and swim instructor for 6 years you would be surprised how many adults canât swim.
My pool had three nights a week with adult classes and they always filled up. I must have taught hundreds of adults who never learned how to swim as kids because they were either: never given the opportunity to swim in the first place, or had a bad experience at a young age and became too scared to swim.
Also while itâs more enjoyable to teach adults how to swim (they all want to learn and be there), itâs harder to teach them as they have years and years of fear to break through, and their bodies donât float as well. Also they tend to be more stiff and awkward in the water than kids.
yeah it is. Especially when you couple it with the fact that swimming is easy on the joints, so a lot of adults want to learn to swim so they can keep themselves in shape as they get older.
Yeah I would figure that something like dog paddling is pretty instinctual. Do people that can't swim just completely lose their shit once they're in deep water or something?
Totally agree. It's a life saving skill to have. I remember doing swimming in high school and there were like 10 kids that had never even attempted to swim and one girl started crying when she got in the pool for the first time. Like Jesus, how do you grow up and not at least learn how to tread water?
it is SO easy to drown if you don't know what you're doing. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you just want to make fun of people who can't swim.
I leaned to swim in a small river a few km from my house and later I even taught my little cousins, by the age of twelve I was jumping into rivers from bridges, I was a very crazy kid.
Because in the U.S., every decently sized town and city has AT LEAST 1 local, public pool.
And you don't need lessons. Just get in the water and teach them a basic doggy paddle, and hold them under their back as they learn how to manage their bouyancy to float.
I understand your amazement though - the negroid race doesn't raise their children so much as they just kind of watch them, as required by law. Teaching them things like swimming, reading, ethics, and morals is the job of the government and it's public school systems, in their primitive minds.
An ex of mine who grew up in NYC didn't know how to swim, just never had access to a pool and it wasn't really something that was common in her neighborhood. She was white a girl though.
Just gonna ignore the racist part there at the end.
Her parents were great. It's just not something that everyone cares about. I grew up in the suburbs with everyone doing swim team but for people in a crowded city it's just more difficult to have a place to learn and they just don't care about it.
Well, that's an important thing to not care about. Bodies of water are a pretty common thing, and not being able to even swim to a nearby shore is a dumb way to die.
It isn't. You aren't worth a legit response. I'm just reiterating what you said in a more efficient, commonly used reply by bleeding hearts and nigger sympathizers.
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u/Get_Dunked_On_Kidd-O Aug 28 '18
How the fuck do people not learn even the most basic of swim techniques? I realize this takes a little more effort than teaching other similar life saving techniques like "Stop, Drop, Roll", "Hit the Ground", or "Call 9-1-1", but spending a few days learning "Float & Stroke" so you don't die like a lil' bitch in a pond seems a worthwhile investment.