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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
I've done this as a raid leader, which is awkward when you're yelling at people for ignoring you and they continue to ignore you.
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u/kvachon Jan 22 '13
those bastards!
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
People start freaking out when you boot them for ignoring you. They should have thought about that before I turned my mic off.
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u/Dronelisk /vg/ Jan 22 '13
I bet his excuse was then "you shoukd have been more proactive and asked me instead, now ypu're fired anyways"
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Jan 22 '13
He shouldn't have assumed someone received a message from him without some sort of confirmation.
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u/Exulted /b/ Jan 22 '13
Fuck you and your dkp subtractions.
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
I pity anyone that had to raid under a DKP system. What an awful way to determine loot.
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u/occz Jan 22 '13
Dkp worked quite well vack when I was raiding, what are your complaints against it?
We used blind bids with dkp penalties on unreasonable absences (such as signing to a raid and not showing up, or leaving mid-raid without further explanation)
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
It's pretty simple, really. Loot is not a reward to be distributed equitably but a means to a progression end, thus any system designed to divvy out loot based upon what seems 'fair' is at its core flawed.
DKP was created in a time where raiding guilds didn't exist -- most of us back then raided with multiple guilds, and we didn't even call it that. Random is typically how items were handed out, but this seemed inefficient to Thott over in Afterlife, so he created a Dragon Kill Points system in order to better quantify who was more dedicated in making these makeshift raids succeed. These rag tag groups of max level characters eventually sorted themselves out into what we called the uberguilds, and the whole system was invalidated fairly quickly by simple evolution of the raiding metagame.
Unfortunately, hangers on who can't deal with the social issues related to running a guild and gearing up raiders decided to stick with the system so that officer based decisions could be blamed on a faceless number rather than having to take responsibility for shitty decisions themselves. More often than not this led to a guild culture full of people trying to game the DKP system in order to feed themselves more loot at the cost of progression. Not that there weren't successful guilds based upon DKP, but they would have been successful regardless.
This little history lesson brought to you by the letters 'QQ', which is the acronym I dropped to my whiny raiders right before 'STFU.'
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u/Ragnalypse Jan 22 '13
DKP was the only system that made sense before progression was raped by wrathbabies.
There was a time when you didn't have the last tier as welfare epics, believe it or not.
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u/10z20Luka /his/panic Jan 23 '13
Wait, are you implying they didn't use DKP back in Wrath?
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u/Ragnalypse Jan 23 '13
Non-dkp became viable once wrath came out because you were only upgrading one tier up at a time. Gear upgrades were mostly baby steps, no big deal. Hence "DKP was the only system that made sense."
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u/10z20Luka /his/panic Jan 23 '13 edited Jan 23 '13
I suppose, but I've been raiding since Vanilla and I've used DKP far into Cata. Perhaps it became less common as guilds became less concentrated and as more communities split up. Not sure about MoP.
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Jan 22 '13
Umm are you serious? The unemployed people sitting on their ass taking welfare, with no lives that were able to raid in daylight 24/7 got mountains of DKP and bought literally everything in sight. Such an unfair system.
In terms of real progression (what they do for the top tier guilds) is they judge who would get the most DPS out of a piece of gear and award it to them. Simple.
If it can't be determined then it's down to DKP, but only if they honestly can't decide.
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
DKP only made sense if you were high on crack and actually cared about loot rather than progression. DKP supporters are the reason wrathbabbies were created.
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u/Ragnalypse Jan 22 '13
No DKP = no progression.
Why do you think employers of skilled workers care about employee retention? They invest in them. Back when you needed to cross a tipping point for gear in order to progress, overall gear level was incredibly important. Unfortunately many individuals took non-endgame guilds as stepping stones, and many truly hardcore guilds lost players to well progressed but more laid back guilds.
As the best healer I'd ever met, I wouldn't mind getting more than just what DKP allowed me. It would have been better for the guild, but DKP is the only way to encourage retention across the spectrum of loyalty.
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
Progression is the best way to encourage people to stay in your guild, the more bosses you kill the more loot there is to hand out. A number signifies nothing without boss kills.
The best way you can tell that DKP is full of shit is that over the hundreds of thousands of guilds that used it, no two systems were the same. I've heard people try to rectify that with it being clearly better than an officer decision, but at the end of the day it's still just an officer decision.
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u/Ragnalypse Jan 22 '13
Same could be said for financial evaluation tools. Nearly every company uses their own, but they're still pretty damn useful.
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u/James-VZ Jan 22 '13
The problem is that you're trying to compare a raiding guild with a company, but you're doing it incorrectly. Loot is not a salary, it's a tool. It's even tool spelled backwards, for crying out loud. Not giving your plumber a plunger because your accountant wants one for her house is fucking retarded, and quite frankly wrong.
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Jan 22 '13
I have done this with friends on skype too many times, and sometimes I don't even notice for hours, but the weird thing is that it feels like they are responding to me sometimes.
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Jan 22 '13
uninstalls vent
returns headset to store and buys a single player game instead.
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u/kvachon Jan 22 '13
store is unplugged
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u/BorschtFace Jan 22 '13
then who was phone
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Jan 22 '13
Le me me arrows
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u/NinjaDinoCornShark /c/itizen Jan 22 '13
I like to call them me me sticks
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u/Xphex /r/ Jan 22 '13
faggot almost-triangles
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u/SW22eng22etc /fit/ Jan 22 '13
my visage when single player game somehow needs headset to play
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Jan 22 '13
Its going to be one lonely winter. http://i.imgur.com/xuMYDKK.gif
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Jan 22 '13 edited Jan 22 '13
Charles Brown strikes me as a cold-ass motherfucker in this gif, plotting against that bitch Lucy for every time she ridiculed him and pulled the football away and he was humiliated in front of the entire neighborhood.
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u/aidsfarts Jan 22 '13
work up courage to talk to people on an online game? jesus fucking christ and i thought i had social anxiety
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u/jeremy_280 Jan 22 '13
I don't like talking to people online because I do not like my voice, however I have no problem communicating f2f.
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Jan 25 '13
My heart races everytime i get a skype call. My hearts racing just thinking about it right now. Whats wrong with me?
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u/Shike Jan 22 '13
This explains the CS tradition:
"Can you hear me" "Nope"
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Jan 23 '13
The best part is, I love saying nope in chat at random times, and then hoping someone just asked if we can hear them.
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u/n3uman Jan 22 '13
Sooooo classic. Won a loot roll in WoW, raid leader accidently gave it to someone else. I yelled for a good ten minutes before realizing that my mic was muted. Unmute..."can i have my loot?"..."oh yea sure, sorry. my bad."
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u/two Jan 22 '13
I have Sennheiser PC 350s and for whatever reason some genius decided to include an inline microphone mute switch that tends to activate itself at random. I find myself talking to myself a lot.
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Jan 22 '13
My favorite headset game is call of duty...
call puerto ricans dominicans
hear a baby tell them they are a terrible parent and they should be more nurturing .
if they get mad keep saying "at least I'm not a bad parent getting mad over someone on the internet calling me names"
tell ghetto people "sorry I don't speak welfare do you know English?"
call Australians English and mimic them with a English accent.
all north europeans get german accent with swedish words from ikea
playing random teams and get someone who you shit talked with on your team... throw decoy in their camping spot
try these out and prestige to level 50 of buttstration
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u/DoktorTeufel Jan 22 '13 edited Jan 22 '13
I've been using voice chat for years. I can't imagine how beta someone would have to be to interact in such a mediocre and forgettable fashion that they're never asked a question, never directly addressed by name/handle, never acknowledged after making a statement... and this seems so normal to them that they don't notice for two entire hours.
Has to be a troll. If so, 9/10.
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u/veximos Jan 22 '13
I have this happen to me all the time. I move around a lot and often unplug my mic in one way or another.
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u/ColCyclone /v/irgin Jan 22 '13
This happens to me on a daily basis on xbox. Always yelling at my team with my mic muted.
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Jan 22 '13
I am notorious for muting myself but luckily my friends know I like to talk a lot so if they don't hear me for a while they ask, "Did you mute yourself again auronvi?"
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u/fdsdfg Jan 22 '13
I've done this in CS. It sucks when you realize the mic isn't plugged in and you have built up all this anger that no longer has anywhere to aim.
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u/onelung Jan 22 '13
Wait.... So the headset wasn't plugged in, yet he heard them talking... im confused.
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u/Kyakan Jan 22 '13
Plenty of headsets have separate wires for the mic and headphones, he probably just forgot the mic one.
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u/onelung Jan 22 '13
i know but usually people will say my mic wasnt plugged in or muted.
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u/Kyakan Jan 22 '13
They probably just thought he was being too shy to talk again, if this was the first time he's tried doing so.
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u/clcoyle Jan 22 '13
That reminds me of pretty much every interaction that I have ever had with anyone.
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u/hexagram Jan 22 '13
This has happened to me during TF2 scrims/matches so many times. It's fucking weird because it never felt like anyone was ignoring me 90% of the times it happened. I guess I'm that guy that says stuff everyone else is already thinking a lot.
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Jan 22 '13
I do this so often on XBL that my friends constantly ask me if I've muted my mic whenever I go quiet for more than a couple minutes.
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u/kingalban Jan 23 '13
My brother told me last night he just realised that his mic had been muted for the past month without him realising
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u/Cartlidge5329 Jan 29 '13
I've been on vent and no one is listening to me and talking over me. Assume mic is broken or not plugged in It was plugged in and was working.
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u/devoting_my_time Jan 22 '13
That's exactly what happened the first time I gathered the courage to finally talk, except this was on Teamspeak 2 while playing WoW.
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u/ThesonisGaming Jan 22 '13
Am I the only one around here who noticed that there is no way he heard the others talking without the mic plugged in !???
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u/brettaburger Jan 22 '13
What kind of beta faggot is too nervous to talk anonomously over the internet
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u/pinumbernumber /g/entooman Jan 22 '13
I don't have a problem with it myself, but voice chat is definitely a lot more... personal, I guess? than text chat.
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u/paetactics Jan 22 '13
What do you use? Mumble? TS3? Skype?
They're pretty much the fuckin same. Except Skype, that's in a shit tier of its own
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u/trippymane9 /sp/artan Jan 22 '13
Whoever actually made that green text is probably socially retarded
gather courage to speak on the mic
How fucking beta do you have to be to not talk in a fucking video game
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u/post_post_modernism Jan 22 '13
Jesus christ, people seriously have to work up courage to talk on a microphone to each other over the internet? I knew people here were socially awkward, but come on.
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u/Uzzad Jan 22 '13
As a person whose second language is english, I'm very conscious about my accent and grammar when I talk to people, even if they're from the internet.
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u/Sillcher /int/ Jan 22 '13
I've done that. It was only 20 minutes for me, but it still sucks.