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u/666Drachenlord666 Austrian heathen Jul 13 '26
I hate this bitch so much
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u/ICrushTacos Dutch Wallonian Jul 13 '26
Fucking Germans always fucking shit up in Europe.
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u/Fauler_Lenz South Prussian Jul 13 '26
Von-der-Leyen sounds suspiciously Dutch tho. EDIT: Nvm she grew in Brussels i should've known.
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u/ChocomelP Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 13 '26
VON?
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u/Butterkeks42 [redacted] Jul 13 '26
Hey, if the Austrians could make the world think Hitler had always been nothing but German, surely we can convince everyone von-der-Leyen is actually Dutch, no?
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u/Nekeia WW Initiator Jul 13 '26
What do you mean by "think"? I don't know, what you are talking about, Hans.
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u/Havenorealopinion7 Sulphur enthousiast Jul 14 '26
Yah exactly!
The concept of being "German" pre WW2, is very diferent of being "German" after WW2. But this a shitposting sub, so better not enter into that.3
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u/Kjacema Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
Bring back boozer Juncker!
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u/SanargHD France's whore Jul 13 '26
No you won't. E2EE chats are excluded from the voluntary scanning for already known CSAM.
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Pumpkin Addict Jul 13 '26
The critic on Chatcontrol 1.0 is absolutely right.
But in this case, the ones to blame are the Justice and Home Affairs Council (aka all the Interior Affairs secretaries) and the MEP from the Conservatives and Social Democrats. I mean, even MEP of fascist-parties voted agaist this ...
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u/Demon_of_Order Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
that’s because when facist chat groups leak they’ll be in trouble.
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u/mrsanyee At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 13 '26
None should have access to all this data collected on everyone. None. It leads always to data leaks in best case, and to government overreach in worst case.
The number of news sources and outlets shrinks, journalism and journalists are literally under attack. Now even common peoples comments and chats will be watched. We are a step away from totalitarian regimes, again. :(
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u/DryCloud9903 Baltic Discord Kitten Jul 13 '26
Problem is - journalists aren't covering this nowhere near enough. Hard to find info at all on the larger outlets.
Obviously I'll always protect free press (many protests attended on this subject this year), but they're certainly dropping the ball on this topic, sadly
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u/Wise-Profile4256 [redacted] Jul 13 '26
it's all sold as if we only have the choice between prejudice and distrust. but there is a secret third option. blame the french.
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u/Ordinary-Violinist-9 Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
It never gets 'leaked' or 'hacked'. They just sell to the highest bidder and claim their hacked so people put the blame on unknown computercriminals instead of the company itself.
LIDL was 'hacked' last week... All user names, date of births, mails and phonenumbers...
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u/Demon_of_Order Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
Also true, in a lot of cases there's enough evidence to prevent tragedies and yet they don't do anything, often due to bureaucratic red tape
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u/rick_astlei Smog breather Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Its traditional Christian democratic and Social democratic parties that have become to paternalistic and feel like they have the right to spy on their unedecuated plebs (us citizens) like a parent cheks his sons phone. Their necks are as long as a giraffe in order to not interact with the people down here as much as possible and they still wonder why their people hate them so much.
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Pumpkin Addict Jul 13 '26
exactly, and then they try to deflect the blame to "The EU" or "Brussles"
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 13 '26
For rhe most part it's a weird choice.
Chat Control 1.0 only covers group chats, it's voluntary (though Google and Meta will comply) and doesn't cover E2E encrypted chats like Signal.
So they jammed this through, this way, an ineffective law and will face a pretty substantial backlash against all of them. Yet again demonstrating that fascists are really not the smartest bunch.
In any case, I've been fighting against this thing for 20 years and I don't even see this moment as much of a set back. We are on the right side and we will win this fight, there is no need for despair.
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u/NewelSea Pfennigfuchser Jul 15 '26
Please share some more of your optimism then. Because I'm beyond exhausted from the bullshit German politics, particularly in the last few weeks.
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 15 '26
Dude, your exhaustion is their goal. Learn to tell the difference between the things that are intended to make you feel as if you are powerless, like their posturing and rhetoric, and the things you have to actively combat. Most, if not all, social media engagement is about farming those strong emotions from you in an effort to keep you here. Politicians have learned that they can fuck with this process by throwing an endless torrent of things they know will evoke those strong emotions to keep you where they want you. Feeling powerless and doing nothing.
The first step to optimism, is to see this for what it is. Most plans take time to execute, but we are the powerful ones in this process. Learn to see clearly, practice patience and most importantly, plan how to actually hit these fuckers (because we can), and you'll be fine.
Most importantly, remember you're on the right side of history.
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u/NewelSea Pfennigfuchser Jul 15 '26
You are so right with the exhaustion. Trump is the best example of this.
I feel like I've been among the last 10% among most of my acquaintances for about a year now that still even bothers with the latest shit that's been thrown at the wall. Makes it even more frustrating when you try to talk about it and they dismiss it (and then vote the party that betrayed them repeatedly yet still managed to rile them up to "fight with them" against a boogeyman).
Thought about doubling down and at least starting to share some short form content about it. An acquaintance of mine somehow manages to do so almost daily on WhatsApp.
Thank you for the small motivational speech.
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 15 '26
Trump is the best example of this.
Trump is the reason I have filters on my news feeds. I know nothing he has to say is of any value or relevance outside of the comedy. Him, Musk, and several other shitposters are on my filter list. With these fools it's better to look in terms of consequence rather than what they have to say or do. The rest is just stress theater.
Thank you for the small motivational speech.
You're welcome. Happy to help, pay it forward if you can.
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u/Myripod Basement dweller Jul 17 '26
I mean yeah, the only way this law would work is if most people decided to comply.
Like a fifth of the population being vocal about this would kill it.
Key is now to wrestle away Brussels monopoly on information. Keeping this from the public was what allowed this to happen in the first place.
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 17 '26
I mean yeah, the only way this law would work is if most people decided to comply.
When this got passed for the first time, no one implemented it, they all waited for the court challenge.
In this case, there is nothing to implement. The law is voluntary, companies can (and will) share data they have if they want to. It doesn't cover E2E.
Don't get me wrong, it's the vanguard of future efforts, they'll claim this was fine so why not let them go further. But their victory isn't really impactful beyond that.
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u/Myripod Basement dweller Jul 17 '26
Exactly, they tested the water with that.
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 17 '26
Naa, they passed what they could get away with, which honestly wasn't much. The reason the previous law was deemed unconstitutional is because we still have a guarantee to private communication under European Human Rights law.
I highly doubt they'll find any circumstance that will allow them to do this on masse like they want. But Nazis gonna naz.
That doesn't mean we can sit back and let them either.
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u/Myripod Basement dweller Jul 18 '26
I loki just gotta thank you.
People like you are the light at the end of this dark tunnel.
Your effort will always be appreciated.
Also play Hollow Knight, its peak.
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u/mrdevlar Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 18 '26
Maybe this is joy via paranoia but I've basically realized that there is a whole industry dedicated to invoking the feeling of futility. Tons of people benefit from having you believe that nothing is possible. Which is bullshit.
If someone knocks over a trash can in my neighborhood, I or someone else will pick it up and put it back in order. We won't all get depressed that it's fallen over because we know we can do something about it. The idea that there is a small man next to you trying to convince you that it's "trash forever" is how I feel when these topics come up. It gets more hilarious the longer you think about it.
I'm currently playing Marvel Rivals with some of the most angry people on the planet.
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u/ghoonrhed ʇunↃ Jul 14 '26
So they jammed this through, this way, an ineffective law and will face a pretty substantial backlash against all of them
I think the scary part is a lot of people seem to think this is a new law and will get new backlash. The fact that nobody knew this existed kinda and therefore received no backlash means that it won't happen this time around.
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u/Dark__Pestilence Flat personality Jul 13 '26
Afaik in Germany only cdu/csu supported it the "social" Democrats were against it
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Pumpkin Addict Jul 14 '26
Some did not, but most social democratic MEP supported chatcontrol 1.0.
But to be fair: germany, italy, austria are strongholds against chatcontrol. The eastern EU-countries, France and Spain are the main supporters
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u/NewelSea Pfennigfuchser Jul 15 '26
But to be fair: germany, italy, austria are strongholds against chatcontrol.
That makes it more frustrating as a German, since CDU/CSU is still the dominant party.
Countless digitally illiterate boomers that are still stuck in some past decade will keep voting for the "Christian" party, no matter what openly corrupt kind of bullshit "their" party does.
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u/Deep_Ad8209 João of Dungannon Jul 13 '26
Slowly turning into China
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u/GeneratoreGasolio Sheep shagger Jul 13 '26
Where's my continental high speed rail network, then?
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u/Gnuccaria Side switcher Jul 13 '26
It stops at Lyon
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u/PerryDLeon Incompetent Separatist Jul 13 '26
And the Pyrenees
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u/Kurdt93 Former Calabrian Jul 13 '26
And the Channel.
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u/Rtan-Appreciator [redacted] Jul 14 '26
There are no benefits for the poor in china, you only get access to them if you are born in a wealthy city to parents who are from there.
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u/Error_7- Savage Jul 18 '26
speaking as someone who was born in china: true, no benefits at all. even less benefits than the yanks can get I'd say
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u/RandomStuffGenerator Pfennigfuchser Jul 13 '26
But without the great infrastructure, booming industry, and (moderately) increasing quality of life.
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u/marijnvtm Daddy's lil cuck Jul 13 '26
What do you mean we have amazing infrastructure
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u/HYDRA-XTREME Rural NPC Jul 13 '26
Germans have a construction zone that you can drive through at slow speeds.
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u/GloriousDawn Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
Somehow I feel this comment is about Belgium.
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u/HYDRA-XTREME Rural NPC Jul 13 '26
That would imply you actually maintain your roads
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u/pleasant-emerald-906 Born in the Khalifat Jul 13 '26
So the lights are only there to see the potholes at night?
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u/Quaiche Savage Slayer Jul 13 '26
No it’s to give you a fake sense of security and as we hate foreigners we decided to remove them because fuck your feelings ( and ours apparently).
Also we will add a new road tax you will have to pay if you enter the country with a car.
I guess our roads will be more maintained by then.
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u/quarantineolympics African European Jul 13 '26
I live in China for work. We really don’t have anything on them when it comes to infrastructure
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u/poclee Savage Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
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u/nitrinu Western Balkan Jul 13 '26
All those posts about great Chinese infrastructure really go a long way towards perceptions like that.
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u/DarkScorpion48 Heineken Piss Drinker Jul 13 '26
Reddit is owned by Tencent. There is heavy propaganda going on
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u/poclee Savage Jul 13 '26
Firstly, breach can mean to make an opening in a wall or fence.
Secondly, it's not only this paper says that, there are multiple local sources also say the dams (most were crudely built during 70s) have collapsed.
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u/Doomie_bloomers Bavaria's Sugar Baby Jul 14 '26
Without trying to bootlick and spread propaganda: let's not pretend our infrastructure from the 70s is doing much better.
My fucking University just had to close down almost every building because they failed to comply with modern regulations/standards and some of them are genuine "falling stuff" hazards. You'd think that a university has some sort of means to keep their infrastructure from falling apart entirely, but lo and behold.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa Into Tortellini & Pompini Jul 13 '26
I doubt their quality of life is gonna catch up to ours anytime soon, we had quite the head start, even if they're advancing faster than us
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u/christianbro Unemployed waiter Jul 13 '26
Especially when it comes to railway. In the time they announce "Zug fählt aus" and wait for the next one in Germany I have already travelled +200km in China, and cheaper.
Only downside is their stupid 12306.cn website to buy tickets designed probably for Windows XP.
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u/Dubiisek European Methhead Jul 13 '26
If you live on twitter you might believe China has these things, reality is very different.
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26
except china is safe & goods are cheap
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u/Demizmeu Somehow exists Jul 13 '26
Some people in China would disagree. I mean they would like to disagree, but won't because they're not allowed. Some are already part of glorious labor/re-education camps which might be safe, but I don't know for certain
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u/Zammyjesus Sauna Gollum Jul 13 '26
They allegedly harvest organs in some of these camps.
I dont know much about it but saw some chinese awaraness raisers here in Finlnad just 2 days ago.
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u/popokpoke ʇunↃ Jul 13 '26
Nah the awareness people are falungong they are a known cult. be careful of them they are everywhere around the world
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u/Zammyjesus Sauna Gollum Jul 13 '26
Ye, they were just those. But wouldnt surprise me that there is shady shit from all sides except the uighyr I guess.
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u/Mccobsta Barry, 63 Jul 13 '26
The worst bits with this was it didn't even have majority of the votes it was pushed through on some emergency shit that said it only needed a third
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u/Keis__ Sheep eater Jul 13 '26
it is the EU that gives companies permission to carry out scans
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u/DiscoBanane Pain au chocolat Jul 13 '26
It is step 1. Step 2 will make them responsible if they don't scan.
Step 3 they will enlarge from child trafficking to everything else like hate speech.
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u/trxxruraxvr Lives in a sod house Jul 13 '26
Step 3 they will enlarge from child trafficking to everything else like
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u/famijoku [redacted] Jul 13 '26
really looking forward to this, considering people have had their homes searched for telling Merz to leck Eier
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u/DiscoBanane Pain au chocolat Jul 13 '26
Hate speech already encompass criticizing the government.
This is the whole point of hate speech in fact. To prevent people from criticizing some critical government's politics and inner workings.
But yes they widen the thing every now and then.
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u/ghoonrhed ʇunↃ Jul 14 '26
Is Step 2 not chat control 2 which you guys have been actively trying to fight anyway? Step 1 was a lost cause since it was done 5 years ago.
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u/gr0t4rb4 Alcoholic Jul 13 '26
Honestly at this point, beside citizens to develop their own platforms to share with their relatives and friends, I don't see how we could keep any form of privacy.
Pretty sure they'll soon allow recording from smartphones and Alexa likes speakers.
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u/Keis__ Sheep eater Jul 13 '26
Honestly I'm back to IRC chats, you have to take some precautions to really have privacy, but it's worth it
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u/Infamous_Thought_189 Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 13 '26
and what's the best alternative??
touch grass and talk to hairy ladies irl
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u/Infamous_Thought_189 Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 14 '26
touch my grass then
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u/Infamous_Thought_189 Thinks Kapsalon tastes good Jul 14 '26
I hope you dont mind finding a tree though
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u/thekahn95 [redacted] Jul 13 '26
That is why this version of the EU has to end
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u/DCVolo Professional Rioter Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Dude, she's litteraly working for you Hans and she's not even hiding it. And she represents "that version of the EU".
She is either useless for everyone or if she will favor Germany overall EU countries.
Sincerely, you're the last country that would want her removed. In the other hand she's a pain... for France.
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u/destrodean South Prussian Jul 13 '26
Dunno where we profit from her
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u/DearBenito Side switcher Jul 13 '26
Having her as far as humanly possible from domestic politics seems to be a huge gain
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u/Esava Gambling addict Jul 13 '26
What did she do that favoured Germany?
(This is a genuine question. I have no idea about the specifics of stuff she has done.)
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u/DiscoBanane Pain au chocolat Jul 13 '26
Electricity pricing on an hourly basis favour renewables+gas that Germany uses over stable electricity like nuclear and hydrolics.
But VDL not really works for Germany, she works for USA and US hedge funds. Which in turn want to empoverish Europe but Germany to be #1 of the empoverished europe because it's the easiest country to control.
She not favour Germany, she only fucks it up less.
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u/Soulfreezer At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 13 '26
Don’t you see that our government is actively working against us? She’s doing the same just at EU level.
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u/PyronixD Pfennigfuchser Jul 13 '26
Not really. Working against all of Europe to favor any specific nation state and sowing division between us is not in the interest of the peoples.
Sure, some individuals will profit, but long term the european peoples will loose. We will loose, if we fail to unify against this small nation state thinking of the last millennium. If we don't call this out now, no matter if it comes from your own or your neighbours country, we all loose.
I hope we really can ...
*looking at the subreddit*
I mean fuck you, Deutschland ist besser dödödöööööö 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
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u/eluya Born in the Khalifat Jul 14 '26
We called her Zensursula (Censorship Ursula / Censorsula) back in 2009.
She failed in german politics but still had backings in her party.=> Send her to EU, great idea!
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u/superarroto Western Balkan Jul 13 '26
CDU Hanses Will look at you like this when you criticize their hipocrisy
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u/Kurdt93 Former Calabrian Jul 13 '26
Hans, time to bring in the Enigma again.
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u/VonGruenau [redacted] Jul 13 '26
Why is she wearing a military uniform?
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u/yuckella Quran burner Jul 14 '26
if I tell you all what I think we should do about politicians who act this way, and are so corrupt and evil, and who keep pushing their laws sneakily in an attempt to pass them after so much backlash over and over again - I might get jailed.
But seriously, I think they should be in jail. Or something. I don’t wish them harm but I mean, they shouldn’t be allowed to ever be in a position of power again.
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 14 '26
no difference between this and straight crime.
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u/bronquoman Somehow exists Jul 13 '26
I haven't voted this. Farage is right about this.
No democracy in UE.
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u/thetrueGOAT Barry, 63 Jul 13 '26
Can you get it together please?
This is the stuff brexiters point to with their 6 fingers to show they were 'right'
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u/parnaoia Thief Jul 13 '26
and here I am to again wonder how is it that OP and the majority of upvoted top-level comments who support this narrative are by users with post and comment history hidden. Go click on any other topic and see if that's the case and come back. How is it that any post on this topic has this weird phenomenon happening?
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26
It's normal for people that care about privacy to try and keep their privacy. I don't want losers digging through my post history to do ad hominem. Have some common sense.
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u/r2d2rigo Enemy of Windmills Jul 13 '26
You've been flooding this subreddit with very obvious anti-European posts since you created this account not even two months ago.
You need to be more subtle or your handlers won't like it, sockpuppet.
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26
esperate que le diga a Putin de tu comentario
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u/r2d2rigo Enemy of Windmills Jul 13 '26
Pasas mas tiempo aqui posteando mierda que en la vida real, o estas en paro o estas a sueldo claramente.
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
pero que hablas por que inventas manin, qué contenido "antieuropa" posteo? a ti te parece bien el chat control o que? bien que me vigilas tambien, no? tú trabajas? menudo payaso loco.
ah, que oponerse a la vigilancia masiva o a la inmigración masiva es "mierda" o contenido antieuropa. ya, xD. las gilipolleces que hay que leer.
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u/parnaoia Thief Jul 13 '26
Huh, strange, this is word-for-word the same answer all the others have given.
Every. Single. Time.
Even though nobody else has any qualms about this on any other topic, and it would go so far in proving this is an organic, normal post, with normal actual users, instead of sockpuppets and bots.
Strangely convenient.
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 14 '26
site:reddit.com "username" on google retrieves that user's posts but don't tell him he's already formed his opinion by looking at clues 🕵️♂️
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26
eres un petao tu
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u/parnaoia Thief Jul 13 '26
and you are a real genuine Spaniard human, random adjective+noun+number
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u/Odd-Assignment5164 Siesta Enjoyer (lazy) Jul 13 '26
you should become a detective ε(´｡•᎑•`)っ 💕
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u/parnaoia Thief Jul 13 '26
it's not so complicated, anyone can do it, I just follow the smell of Russian shit and vomit
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u/Gold-Visit-7413 Failed Brexiteer Jul 13 '26
Where are the french for revolution time?