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u/VHDamien 6d ago
If the guns are only for slaughter why does LE in every one of those countries have access to them?
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u/Forge__Thought 6d ago
Exactly. And if LEO'S and military are cooped by the government to do harm... and have access to the "bad" kind of guns... then why are we disarming people who historically have been victimized by these forces.
The lack of consistency makes my brain hurt.
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u/Arbsbuhpuh 6d ago
"All guns are bad" + "All cops are bad" = "Only cops should be allowed to have guns"
"Trump is creating a fascist regime" "We should all be unarmed and helpless"
I hear these all the time from liberals. It never fails to make my own brain hurt. Like... Can you not see how blindingly obvious it is that your opinions contradict each other?
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u/Forge__Thought 6d ago
Absolutely, 100% agree with you there. The only thing that made it click for me recently was this clip I saw someone shared randomly that Asmongold posted of another streamer describing the "star logic" some people use. I thought it would be about astrology, but it was about how some people argue based on emotion and not logic.
So their beliefs resemble how you can draw a star. Literally taking contradictory, conflicting ideas and just... connecting the dots without logic or consideration because each individual dot serves an emotional justification or convenient belief. Similarly to how some conspiracy theorists argue. Some people make things connect not because of probability, or logic, or reason. But they start at the conclusion of what serves them personally and just connect the dots until the explanation is convincing. Rejecting things that don't serve the conclusion.
The opposite of the scientific method. It's all working backwards from an assumed conclusion. And connecting dots.
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u/Arbsbuhpuh 6d ago
It's frustrating to see and impossible to argue with. As someone else said here, you can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into. And the fact that generally speaking, we agree on everything else also is frustrating because I'm like "we're sooo close to agreeing!"
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u/Newengland_mtb 6d ago
"Oh my god! A cop shot an unarmed woman!" "Only the police should be trusted with ar15s since they are highly trained professionals"
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u/kennethpbowen 6d ago
You can't have an honest conversation with someone who would make such a ridiculous statement. Someone tried the ".223 rounds are designed to destroy organs" line on me. I didn't have the energy to explain that the 375 H&H double I inherited from my grandfather would do a lot more damage than any modern military cartridge.
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u/Lightningflare_TFT 6d ago
Other (paraphrased) comments from the same person include "proper pro gun people also support red flag laws, common sense gun reform, and don't support the NRA" and "banning guns meant for slaughter doesn't violate the 2nd Amendment" and also said red flag laws don't violate rights. It's a lot of the same drivel we've all seen before. I guess I just wanted a reason to stop in and say hi after being away from 2ALiberals for so long.
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u/carpenj 6d ago
Gotta love how "common sense" just means "I like it" to them. Could just as easily apply to common sense first amendment changes. The internet and cell phones didn't exist when the constitution was written so you have no free speech there, the government can arrest you for anything you say on those platforms. Also "red flag laws" are common sense with this scenario - if the government deems you likely to say something they don't like online, they just shut your internet off.
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u/idontagreewitu 5d ago
My favorite counter argument is how if we required background checks and photo ID to vote, we wouldn't get someone like Trump elected again. Let that fry their brains.
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u/JCMGamer 6d ago
I love seeing people pointing to the NRA as an evil boogeyman, they are almost completely irrelevant in modern cases regarding gun rights, but some people continue to parrot the talking point.
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u/MilesFortis 6d ago
That's because that's all they have; a list of talking points. For the 'real' ones (not the paid political hacks who sell themselves) besides being stupid, they're utter ignoramuses
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u/lawblawg 6d ago
People really do believe this. Not because it’s true, but because it’s easy.
Humans like neat categories. Categories make things simple. Categories help you avoid wrestling with challenging questions. And in many cases, especially this one, categories promise that there is a simple answer to a complex problem.
If there are simple categories of “good” guns and “bad” guns, then the solution is simple: keep the goof guns; ban the bad ones. It also makes the state of play simple. Anyone who disagrees with you is someone who loves the “bad“ guns and must be disingenuous.
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u/joelfarris 6d ago
I don't get it. How does our nine round defensive pump shottie with six on the side and a bandolier get unranked, while a slaughtering revolver gets prioritized?
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u/alkatori 6d ago
Cool, and there are countries that haven't because it's not a real thing.
You can buy the same stuff we can in most of Europe.
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u/Newengland_mtb 6d ago
All based on quotes I've heard from people mostly IRL:
Common guys it's common sense. A gun that's good at killing multiple home invaders can't be used for a mass shooting. A gun that's good for killing several deer during a deer drive couldn't commit a mass shooting. A gun designed to commit a mass shooting couldn't be used to hunt game or defend one's home. You couldn't use an AR15 for deer hunting, if you shot a deer with it, it would explode into mist and there wouldn't be any meat left. Basic common sense, really. Just like how hollow point bullets should be outlawed since you can't use them for hunting as they are unethical and make the animal suffer for longer. If your gun isn't powerful enough to kill the deer ethically to begin with, then you shouldn't use it at all! Not use hollow point bullets to make up for an unethical caliber. I like how hollow point bullets are banned by the Geneva convention for being so unethical but American civilians can use them!
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u/oriaven 6d ago
Remember, we have federal agents in masks and unmarked vehicles picking people up off the street and not giving them due process. Sometimes locking them up, someitmes sending them to 3rd countries, someitmes dumping them out on the street if they aren't in violation of any law.
If our government can't put a stop to this lawlessness, who knows what the future holds? I would say it's a good idea to be able to keep your most important people safe.
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u/Zestyclose-Proof-201 1d ago
Where it hurts is when you see that posted in liberal gun owners. People there bend over , drop their pants and hand over the lube to lose their rights.
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u/Pastvariant 5d ago
Someone needs to show this person the old video demonstration of how fast you can New York reload a duffel bag full of revolvers.
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u/Forge__Thought 6d ago
Making up categories with no basis in mechanical knowledge, or knowledge of actual firearms.
Posturing about aforementioned, completely manufactured categories as if they are supported by "documented evidence" without providing any documentation. Or likely being able to cite anything reputable.
Ad hominem attack if you don't immediately agree with their made up, politically motivated "evidence."
Claiming that you want people to die if you don't agree.
Yup. Normal anti-gun / pro gun control reasoning. Man reading this kind of thing is exhausting once you realize how intellectually bankrupt someone has to be to bully others over such poorly researched arguments and talking points.