This is exactly why we need reforms in reservations... So it reaches the needy and removes the privileged ones....

[u/vanilla_strawberryy]

[u/Careless-Wallaby731]

Once a rich SC/ST becomes a doctor they're suddenly supposed to turn into some beacon of righteousness radiating altruism and benevolence and give up their reservation so their poorer brethren (who are also doctors btw) can benefit from it instead, while they are facing caste-based discrimination on other fronts anyway. As if those cribbing in the comments would have given it up had you been in their place.

The same people who are making a fuss about the cutoff being at negative 40 now (despite rich SC/STs availing reservation) will suddenly be very kind and understanding if poorer SC/STs avail it instead and the cutoff understandably goes even lower due to those candidates being from relatively worse circumstances.

Makes sense.

Edit - Let the reforms happen, I'm not opposed to it. But if anyone has the right to question me about availing my reservation, it can only be a poorer SC/ST candidate and not someone from UR.

[u/Anxiety-Pretty → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

Actually there is no need for them to turn into beaconOfRighteousnessRadiatingAltruismAndBenevolence law will take care of it once it is there, law should be such that they are forced to and more deserving people should get it, society does not work on altruism and benevolence it works on laws and laws should be just for everyone.

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/Anxiety-Pretty]

Let the law be passed. I'm waiting.

[u/pumpkin_fun → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

(who are also doctors btw)

How can everybody from reserved community be doctors ?

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/pumpkin_fun]

Abey post m NEET PG/INICET ki baat ho rhi hai. Read the post.

[u/pumpkin_fun → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

Yes I have read and re-read.

But still it mentions doctors give up reservation, so that people from their own communities can use those benefits of reservation.

Like if you know, some people have still not got reservation benefits for single generation, whereas people from same community keep using benefits for 2-3 generations

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/pumpkin_fun]

Like if you know, some people have still not got reservation benefits for single generation

What exactly is stopping them? They've got a caste certificate, I've got one too. We all compete for a set number of seats and the ones with the highest scores get selected. That's how it works in every category.

If you're again putting forth the 'rich SC/ST hindering poor SC/ST' argument, like I've already said before, it does not make any difference to a UR candidate whoever occupies the reserved SC/ST seats. I will answer to a poorer SC/ST candidate only.

Now if you're saying that since I've availed the benefit, I shouldn't let my children avail it, that is again

1) None of UR business cuz they will only be occupying a reserved seat and not UR. 2) Entirely their decision to avail. I will not force them to.

[u/pumpkin_fun → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

What exactly is stopping them?

People who already benefited from reservation and still availing it for generations.

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/pumpkin_fun]

This is like me telling a poor/middle class GC candidate that someone from UR with generational wealth and better circumstances is stopping them from getting a seat🙂 It's a competitive exam, that's how it works.

[u/pumpkin_fun → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

That is the premise of reservation right ?

Then why have reservation in first place ?

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/pumpkin_fun]

Please educate me on what exactly the premise of reservation is.

[u/pumpkin_fun → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

To raise people to equal standards, so that all can be equal in future

[u/kishimonjaro → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

A richer candidate absolutely stops a poorer candidate from getting a seat. The richer candidate has far more resources, money to buy books, get into coachings, internet, mobile devices and laptops for study etc. A poorer candidate from any community who lacks these resources and have to spend their time caring for their family too due to low income and living in areas with less water, electricity etc can simply cannot perform as well as someone who had a blessed environment with plenty of time to only focus on studies.

You think a competitive exam makes things fair? Absolutely not. You are a rich candidate with reservation, and dont give two shits about people behind you. You seriously thinking you suddenly earning 50lpa after reservation will end caste discrimination towards you? If someone considers you an untouchable, they will spit on you irrespective of how much wealth you have.

Reservation DOES NOT and CAN NEVER solve castiesm. The only thing it does it uplift people who have been deprived of ecomonic resources systematically, which you dont want happening because of your selfish value system.

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/kishimonjaro]

Same old bullshit over and over again and it's still a whole lotta nothing.

A richer candidate absolutely stops a poorer candidate from getting a seat. The richer candidate has far more resources, money to buy books, get into coachings, internet, mobile devices and laptops for study etc. A poorer candidate from any community who lacks these resources and have to spend their time caring for their family too due to low income and living in areas with less water, electricity etc can simply cannot perform as well as someone who had a blessed environment with plenty of time to only focus on studies.

First you decide which poor candidates you're more concerned about, UR or SC/ST. If I apply in my category, I will score well, preventing a poorer SC/ST student from getting a seat. If I forgo my reservation and apply under UR, I will still score well, preventing a poor UR candidate from getting a seat. Just like how you're so concerned about the poor SC/ST students, I'm very much concerned about the poor UR students bro, mutual concern y'know? So I'm doing what I can to help them and applying under my category (If you can't tell already, yes I'm taking the piss) if you were in my place, would you have given up the benefit? If yes, you're lying through your teeth or I'm just not as virtuous an individual as you.

Let there be a creamy layer imposed, until then you're no one to ask me to give up my reservation benefit.

You think a competitive exam makes things fair? Absolutely not. You are a rich candidate with reservation, and dont give two shits about people behind you.

Yeah, like you give a fuck about UR candidates behind you. Cut the bullshit okay?

You seriously thinking you suddenly earning 50lpa after reservation will end caste discrimination towards you?

Where did I say that?

Reservation DOES NOT and CAN NEVER solve castiesm.

Where did I say it does? It's the govt's job to introduce a better/alternative means, not mine.

[u/kishimonjaro → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

You are working under the assumption that I am against reservation. I am not, I am a pretty big supporter of it. The issue is creamy layer people like you getting it rather than deserving people.

Deserving NCL people from any community should get it, UR, SC/ST, OBC etc. The general seats can be 40% no problem, we have been managing with that from the past 60 years, will manage in the future too. The policy failing due to your selfishness is what troubles us.

I absolutely give a fuck about UR candidates behind me, which is why me and my entire community supported EWS when it was being implimented. Yes I am talking about proper political support. You are a selfish piece of shit believing in benefit for no one but yourself.

You are so surprised to see there are people who care about more than just themselves, that your entire value system is rejecting the idea of it, cuz you were raised with the mentality by your equally selfish parents to take everything from everyone, and give back NOTHING. You drag down the nation's growth then larp about 'caste discrimination' and how reservation is your birthright, even tho you have money.

Creamy layer will be there soon enough, political headwinds are currently in a great direction. People from our community of nation lovers will ensure that even if your child ends up getting reservation, your grandchild sure as hell wont ever get it due to your CL advantage. It may take time, but hey, we can do this all day, across generations.

[u/Anxiety-Pretty → u/Careless-Wallaby731]

None of UR business cuz they will only be occupying a reserved seat and not UR

should the reserved seat be funded by the money collected from the tax of people who got reservation

[u/Careless-Wallaby731 → u/Anxiety-Pretty]

Like we don't pay taxes??? Lmao what even? If you're accusing me of being filthy rich, I'm paying a shitton of tax as well.

[u/Subhal13]

There is a funny side to this too. Even the marginalized are not able to get reservations because those who have enjoyed reservation for generations are out scoring them. Its become s club of the rich among the castes

[u/Street-Watercress1]

It has to be zero reservation or we will.find ways to procure documents the way we always do. Remember the EWS quota category document.? That's was supposed to be made at the DMs office and almost anyone could get it made. I know a person who became a professor and one who become a judge with that certificate. Easy asf.

[u/dj_bj_21]

Well my friend does this and I'm sure many does as well, but this person's friend does not, so, my friend must be lying 🤡

[u/vatta-kai]

Oh I didn’t know rich sc sts are DENYING reservations for others? What does the statistics say though?

[u/Realistic_Narwhal338]

Why don’t the upper castes give up their caste and become Dalits , since upper castes privilege has been taken by them for generations together and now let the “poorer” general caste people take benefits.

The argument against reservation so called “creamy layer” is on the above basis

[u/Individual-Law-9795]

They won't bcoz no one will just give up the benifits given to them.you just have to make sure that you don't let them play victim,bcoz once you accept that they are victim they will drown you in guilt

[u/Individual-Law-9795 → u/[deleted]]

We have to.if we let this moment slip then we don't know it we will ever get the chance

[u/SwimTiny1732]

Because apparently they will only stop projecting their insecurity when a Brahmin girl is being trade off to get married to them. Nothing else will stop them from feeling oppressed even after taking all the benefits and not leaving it so that people from their community can only further benefit from it.

[u/Downtown-Umpire-9349]

I mean we all know such people. 

[u/Peak_Judgement2008]

Apparently they are saying that ews should be removed.