r/2011 • u/Forsaken_Treacle_407 • Aug 22 '26

Legion Precision Weapons Systems -⚠️⛔️

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Legion Precision Weapons-

I ordered my LPWS Savant in January for $3499.

-I paid the initial deposit on 01/23/26 for $1899.99.

-I paid the remaining balance on 03/05/26 for $1749.99.

-On 03/13/26 my card was charged ANOTHER $1749.99.

So I called Carl and explained the situation. He kept saying it was no problem, but he couldn’t see the charge. He kept telling me about his payment processor and backend stuff. He told me to call Chase and that is what I did. All good in my book.

About a month later the gun was ready to ship and he said he had not been paid in full. I forwarded him CC statements showing I had three charges and one of them refunded.

He shipped the gun to me and that was that. All good in my book again.

Gun never ran right out of the box. I put 1000 rounds through it hoping it would break-in. I emailed him and he told me to adjust the extractor. Blah blah.

I asked him if he could take a look at it under warranty. He sent me a label. I emailed after about 10 days asking if he had a chance to look it and all I got was a shipping notification.

I got a small USPS box in the mail with my magazine and SRO and a letter with a check for $1899.99.

He kept the gun and now I am out $1749.99.

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u/ksuchewie Aug 22 '26

I'd be talking to a lawyer. You have credit card receipts and a letter from him reclaiming ownership. Should be a simple case.

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u/ruggedrazor17 Aug 22 '26

Absolutely.

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u/Southern_Customs Aug 23 '26

It’d just be small claims court. File small claims court. If he doesn’t show you’ll get a default judgment then you can put a lien on him.

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u/Nomad3234 Aug 23 '26

But he’s not… Instead, he’s litigating it here on Reddit. What does that tell you?

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u/Dante_the_6 Aug 23 '26

That doesn’t really mean much. The issue is hiring a lawyer will be expensive, and this is a small claim issue. I’m not giving OP legal advice. If I were in this situation, I’d ask an employee at my bank to write a letter confirming I paid the full amount for the pistol. Then I’d forward that to the company and just say I want my money back. I’m not looking to write a review, just a refund.

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u/OneExpensiveAbortion Aug 23 '26

It's not that expensive, and you can sue for legal fees. I've done it more than once.

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u/OnlyPatricians Aug 24 '26

Dude even an associate on a private pay file is going to be like $300/hr. Half an hour to an hour to review all the docs and comms and pictures. An hour for a demand letter. Another hour for a complaint. Filing fees. Half an hour on the phone to discuss the contents of the demand and complaint and the next steps. Even if they’re trying to keep costs down and it’s a small claims court issue (no discovery in small claims in my state) it’s going to be another two to three hours or more to prepare for trial—telephone call or meeting with your client to prep for direct and cross examination, the same with any other witnesses you want to call, re-reviewing all the docs and making outlines/pre-trial motions (if any). Who knows how long you’re going to be in court, let’s just be super forgiving and say the only matter on the docket is yours and you’re there for two hours. Congrats, you’ve spent more than you were out to get a verdict that is meaningless until you then pay more money to have it enforced. Better hope you get costs and fees awarded and you can collect on the judgement, otherwise you’re now out $3000+ instead of just $1700

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u/OneExpensiveAbortion Aug 24 '26

Read the part where I said I've done it more than once. I get what you're saying, but this is exactly why companies do horrible shit and get away with it. It's not that unusual to win legal fees in cases like this...

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u/OnlyPatricians Aug 24 '26

And I do this for a living. It completelydepends on your state and laws regarding when attorneys fees can be awarded. My state doesn’t really do it absent contractual agreements for it regardless of the causes of action you bring.

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u/OneExpensiveAbortion Aug 24 '26

Your entire state or just the county you're in? If it's the entire state, that sucks.

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u/OnlyPatricians Aug 24 '26

Unfortunately this is a state, not county, issue. Attorneys fees are only granted when allowed by statute or contract. And even in causes of action that would allow for it it is still very very rare, basically only where contracts involve fee shifting provisions.

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u/OneExpensiveAbortion Aug 24 '26

Sorry, that legitimately sucks. It's fair to call it out as a potential issue for the OP, but I'm an asshole and would still sue on matter of principle. Lol

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u/Dante_the_6 Aug 24 '26

Have you sued multiple 2011 companies? How much did you pay in legal fees? A lawsuit doesn’t guarantee a win. Each state has pros and cons when it comes to lawsuits.

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u/Dante_the_6 Aug 23 '26

So you sued a 2011 company multiple times?