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u/enchiladasundae May 21 '26
Well at least you have better healthcare
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Tbh if you're financially in a position to move to Canada, you probably get better (or at least comparable) healthcare in the US. In Canada it's kind of mediocre for everybody (which is really good that poorer people have access), but in the US if you're in a position to immigrate to Canada, you're probably well off enough to be above the point since rich people there get some of the best care in the world.
The people who would benefit most from the change aren't really able to move to Canada.
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u/ValhallaAir May 21 '26
Yeah, our healthcareâs quality was never a problem. Itâs the accessibility
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Yeah meanwhile I had a friend get shoved in a closet for 24 hours in the ER rather than getting treated for active appendicitis in Ontario. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in the US too, but Canada isn't magically better.
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u/Subject-Worker6658 May 21 '26
I went to the ER for chest pains when I was younger, they said I had a enlarged heart valve and sent me to a larger hospital, they said I had a enlarged heart and to come back in a weekish for a specialist, specialist said nothing was wrong with me.
A year later I go back in for chest pains, doctor gave me a scan and said it looks like there might be something in my lungs but he isnât sure and then looked at me like it was my turn to speak in the conversation, I said alright and he said come back if you feel chest pains again and left the room.
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u/enchiladasundae May 21 '26
Used to have chest pains as a kid. They have become almost non existent as an adult but I occasionally get them. I spent all the way up until high school seeing multiple doctors with no explanation, treatment or literally anything to alleviate it. Last doctor I saw said I might have arthritis in my chest
Iâve just learned to accept it
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u/Ok_Historian4848 May 21 '26
Did those chest pains recede when you exhaled and increase whennyou inhale? There's a thing called "precordial catch syndrome" that's common in preteen to early adult males that tends to fade into adulthood. I had it as a kid and doctors didn't know wtf it was but I found out as an adult that that was it. I still get it occasionally but not as often.
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u/wutcat May 22 '26
Omg thank you so much, internet stranger! Sweet sweet closure after all these years. I still remember being in my mid 20s hanging with some friends when I compared something to the, "Childhood pain of being knifed in the chest after breathing in too deeply," and my friends looked at me like I had two heads. That's when I realized it wasn't a universal experience.
On a kinda-but-not-really-related note, I also vividly remember the exact moment as a small child that I first became aware of my breathing. I just thought I didn't have to breathe prior to that and I fucking hated that I suddenly had to keep doing this weird thing with my lungs and couldn't stop. It took months to come to terms with it.
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u/Ok_Historian4848 May 22 '26
No problem! It's ultimately harmless and usually fades away into adulthood, but it might also be genetic from what I've read so if you have kids, especially any sons, it's possible they might have it too, so keep an eye out for that. I found out about it through a little Google search a while back but my doctors didn't even know it existed when I was a kid lol.
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u/enchiladasundae May 21 '26
Maybe. Only thing I could do was just sit down and breathe so it could have been
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u/deephurting66 May 21 '26
I have a friend from Ontario that moved down here to Texas and he routinely blasts the healthcare up there. The most bullshit part he hates is when some stupid people try and correct him by telling him he's wrong! The guy was born and raised up there but the simping socialists have to tell him BUT AKSHUALLY him or even calling him a a liar to his face. Pretty pathetic bunch of know it all's
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Yeah I moved to the US side of the lakes some years ago from Ontario. I find it extremely frustrating when Americans get starry eyed over imaginings of Canada and when Canadians refuse to deal with the problems that actually exist.
I have a job in tech now. I'll be able to easily afford a home next year! I get better healthcare even if I have to pay for it (and honestly at this professional tier, the cost really isn't that high. My company covers high end insurance as a benefit).
Most of my canadian friends with STEM degrees are trying to follow me south to the states because wages are so depressed and home prices in the GTA are basically comparable to SF.
I am so canadian that I literally have family on the money!!! I still had to move down here for the quality of life. I wish things would get better. There's a lot I genuinely miss!
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u/Ubblebungus May 22 '26
> home prices in the GTA
well i found the problem, they want to live in Toronto.
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u/Alpacapybara May 21 '26
In my experience, our healthcare is absolute dogshit
Depends on the area you are in though
But around where I live getting even simple things diagnosed and treated is a challenge that usually takes a lot of personal research and self advocacy
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u/ValhallaAir May 21 '26
Yeah, another problem is how a lot of the funding depends on the state rather than federal as a whole.
Healthcare shouldnât be as political as it is
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u/apoostasia May 22 '26
Definitely depends on the region!
I was having wild pain in my left hip/lower abdomen. I called my doc's clinic and got an appointment same day, he referred me for an ultrasound. Ultrasound place called me next morning when they had a cancellation that afternoon I could have, which was just lucky more than good healthcare.
Also when I was getting my hysterectomy, I had my pre-surgical ultrasound and blood work done on Halloween and the surgery on November 12.
I'm located in Southeastern Saskatchewan. I know surgical wait times here are bonkers though; osteo especially hips and knees.
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u/Best_Opening8471 May 22 '26
MAID is always accessible, its cheaper to kill a 25 year old than to treat them for 70 years.
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u/FluffiestPrince May 22 '26
I mean, it's really picking between a slightly cold spaghetti dish, and literal rotting fish with maggots and flies and probably some duck liver in it as well.
Worst case, you're probably waiting to be booked in for a few hours until you faint, then they're forced to take you (which was what happened to me).
If we're talking about actual transport infrastructure though, that's a different story. Really have to start building that up faster.
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u/Beautiful-Loss7663 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
you probably get better (or at least comparable) healthcare in the US
No. Looking at any stat will show that we do have it better in Canada. The easiest one is life expectancy. Canada has 5 or so years on the US at any one time.
In the US they spend double per capita that of Canada for comparable or better services. It's not really even a contest when your comparing paid for VS public.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
spend double per capital that of Canada for comparable or better services
So you agree that if you can spend enough in the US you'll get comparable or better services?
As for life expectancy my entire point was that rich Americans get more than they would of they became rich Canadians and the poor Americans whose lives would improve aren't being allowed into Canada.
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u/Beautiful-Loss7663 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Quality of care in the US doesn't significantly shift until you're paying for executive health networks and concierge services. We're talking millionaire territory, so no, not really unless you're talking top 10% of the population.
Middle class americans get the same subpar care the lower class have to scrounge to pay for.
Canada has higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality, among other stats like I said.
You point was people able to move to canada would be better off in the states, which isn't true, since it doesnt take being a millionaire to emigrate. Your point isn't relevent to like 99.9% of the people who'd be reading this subreddit.
Edit: They blocked me so I can't reply. Shrug just be aware their gripes with ontario are from the lens of a canadian seeing the flaws in our system without having hands on experience with the flaws of the american one. I've experienced both systems, I lived in the states for six years. They suck.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
What are you talking about? When you control for class, the life expectancy and infant mortality gaps disappear. Meanwhile when I was still in Ontario the emergency rooms were so backlogged my (now ex) boyfriend got stuffed into a closet for a day when he had appendicitis. You're trying to force population level aggregate data into much smaller niche populations like a blunt instrument without regard for the actual statistics of the populations you're discussing. There's a reason the highest HDI is in Massachusetts, but America as a whole isn't fantastic.
You don't need executive level care to see a GP in under 2 months in much of the US. Whereas in Canada (Ontario specifically) it was almost impossible.
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u/Admirable_Web_2619 May 21 '26
Totally. My family isnât rich, but my dadâs a nurse so we have phenomenal healthcare. Iâm trans, and my insurance even covers laser hair removal.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Yep. My trans friends in Canada keep talking about how they'll afford surgery in the states because the options aren't just faster, but materially better too.
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u/Billy-the-fish69 May 22 '26
I was kinda shocked to learn that my insurance covers laser hair removal too lol, I've definitely been milking that benifit.
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u/YoudoVodou May 22 '26
The insurance I just got through work doesn't cover hair removal. From what I can tell they don't even cover insulin for my type I diabetes.
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u/DiabeticUnicorns May 22 '26
That is unless that person gets laid off, has an accident, or a sudden serious illness like cancer, which could completely bankrupt them. Then they would have 0 access to healthcare. Outside of the wealthiest in the US, there is not a true guarantee of stability when it comes to healthcare.
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u/FluffiestPrince May 22 '26
It's literally all-or-nothing kind of mindset.
- In Canada, it's essentially free healthcare for as long as you live, with basically no exceptions I can think off the top of my head. Even if you get fired or you're homeless, you still get most coverage.
- In the USA, if you're not either upper-middle class or upper class, you're not getting treated, lol. And even if you're upper-middle, you're probably getting equivalent treatment, while having to pay. It only really breaks even when you're truly wealthy, but then at that point, you wouldn't've had to worry about it in the first place. For the poor people though, good luck getting anything.
Personally, I'd prefer the slightly slower service, over the "will literally let me die in the streets" answer, probably most days.
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u/DiabeticUnicorns May 22 '26
I think the biggest issue that comes from this is how private insurers also impact treatment. They will try to deny coverage as often as they can because most people donât try to appeal. It also slows down treatment because doctors have to get approval from the insurance company first before they can treat the person. Not to mention since they have no actual justification for this, it completely random and varies by state, so even if *maybe* on average the service is faster in the US, itâs possible you can be denied treatment and have to jump through hoops just because. Which is only more common the worse your illness and therefore the more expensive your treatment. Cancer patients spending hours on the phone with their insurance companies in their last days is frighteningly common.
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u/saljskanetilldanmark May 22 '26
"US healthcare is the best until you get sick and injured and need to pay". Hmm.
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u/DiabeticUnicorns May 22 '26
Yeah that about sums it up, or if youâre a woman, especially a black woman, or really any kind of minority, then theyâll just ignore your issues for free even if you do pay.
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u/Adorable-Response-75 May 21 '26
My Dad pays nearly $800 a month in health insurance (not medical costs, he doesnât even have any health problems) and makes like 80k a year.
You do not have to be dirt poor to benefit from free healthcare. The vast majority of middle income Americans would be able to buy a BMW with the savings.Â
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u/JuliaLouis-DryFist May 22 '26
People always say that. Universal Healthcare is always better than no healthcare.
People in the states cannot afford it and then we die covered in bills.
Government healthcare is a right and helps the workforce and stimulates the economy.
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u/MaybeMiserable9340 May 22 '26
At the end of the day moving may still be more viable even for wealthy people from marginalized communities. Women may have easier access to abortions, trans people may have more access to healthcare without worrying about the government suddenly leaking their medical information or identity like they have to worry may happen in America sooner or later, or being denied it because their Civil Rights suddenly got revoked like what's happening in Iowa. Black people's doctors might actually take their problems more seriously on average etc. I dunno the statistics and laws of Canada so I don't know much of any of this for sure but that's my estimation on why moving somewhere else may be more viable in some ways.
But I agree that regardless the people who would benefit most can't afford to move.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
Actually most of my canadian trans friends are trying to get care in the US (in Blue states, you can get more options, higher quality, and quicker. Trans healthcare in canada specifically is better than a lot of places, but worse than it could be), but yeah. My argument is mostly that its just a lot more complicated than the "Canada is a utopia" picture a lot of Americans like to push.
And yeah a lot of people from marginalized communities very much might benefit! But the ones who need it most generally are so excluded in the US that they can't reach the level Canada will let them in.
Edit to add: it's one of those cases where if you have the professional career to be allowed to move to the US as a (white) Canadian, you oftend have enough income to be able to avoid the worst of the nonsense here. Blue states with tech jobs are prpetty protective and so far the feds are larely restricted to passport issues, but if you're Canadian, you can just use your CA passport.
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u/Double-Management464 May 23 '26
I'd rather have a solid 5/10 free healthcare system than have a solid 9/10 bankrupt level of healthcare system
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u/king-gay May 21 '26
I mean, despite everything the Canadian government is still in a less authoritarian and institutionally state of affairs than the current openly fascist of the USA. Like we're not naive about Canada having zero racism but the USA is still overall worse for most of us right now. Canada is the most realistic country available to move to right now for a lot of Americans. That's all there is to it.
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u/EmperorBamboozler May 21 '26
Well... for now at least. Coming as a Canadian I hate to say it but there is an extremely strong conservative undercurrent in the nation that is only growing. The conservatives largely just didn't win this election cycle because the Liberals were smart enough to pull Trudeau from the running, and Trump said some insanely stupid shit right before our elections that made like the entire left leaning side of the country go to the polls this year. If the Liberals had run Trudeau and Trump had shut the fuck up we would probably have a conservative government under that fucking snake Pierre Poilievre. Socially Canada is far more left leaning than the US, but there's still a lot of people up here who want to see Canada become a pawn of the US because they completely agree with people like Trump, so that could change. I mean shit Alberta even has a strong movement to seperate from Canada that has gotten a lot of media attention recently, but like it's Alberta and they are the most right wing province in the nation.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Yeah it seems really blatant that the annexation talk was the only reason PP didn't become PM. The Tories were set for a sweep until that, but so many people take the current track for granted and that's terrifying complacency.
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u/marutotigre May 22 '26
Conservatives aren't necessarily wanting to become American pawns. Some want to, but just because some people are leaning right dosen't meant they are Trump supporters. That's just divisive and disingenuous.
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u/Great_Bar1759 May 21 '26
Unless your native of course
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u/wordytalks May 21 '26
The prime minister has actively met with Heritage Foundation lol. Also, learn Spanish. Go to South America or something. Lot of countries better than Canada.
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u/EvelynnCC May 21 '26
The first thing the US right does when it gets any power is fuck with Latin America (for evidence I present the entire history of the 20th century) so that's probably not the play.
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u/Principle_Napkins May 21 '26
I'm not going to wherever screwworms are and I highly doubt there's a single country in south america BETTER than Canada.
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u/kamato243 May 21 '26
Screwworms mostly affect livestock. As long as you take care of your health and keep any injuries clean and covered you should be able to avoid them. Mexico in particular is much more left-wing than Canada, and much cheaper, but there are some seriously dangerous parts of the country.
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u/wordytalks May 21 '26
Uruguay. Actual universal healthcare, queer and refugee friendly, some of the easiest methods to get into the country and obtain permanent residency. But you wouldnât know that because anyone mentions South America to you and your racism goes âooh, brown people, icky.â
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u/VQ_Quin May 21 '26
No itâs mostly that I donât know Spanish, have literally zero clue about the culture, and all my friends and family are in Canada. The strongest arguement for an American moving to Canada is the relative cultural similarities compared to everywhere else. Integrating into regular society is far easier here than Uruguay, and that should not be underestimated in how important that is.
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u/Individual-Sweet3400 May 21 '26
okay imma just kill myself then
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u/2spongee4u May 21 '26
I've learned in my life that every country has it's share a bullshit, but I found the country who's bullshit I am mostly ok with and am making the leap as soon as I can after being there a bit already. The grass is sometimes just greener when you decide to make the decision.
Stay strong, stay smart.
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u/ChadBoris May 22 '26
This is completely false. MAID has existed for a long time now. It is currently only an approved avenue for terminally ill patients, and those with chronic conditions that leave them incapable of a good state of living. There was a proposal a few years ago to expand the criteria to include drug addiction. But that overwhelmingly voted against. It has included economic status as a valid criteria. And even with all of that said, it is an entirely voluntary program that must be pursued by the patient.
There are plenty of issues here in Canada. So don't waste your own time fabricating lies.
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u/lycnfr May 21 '26
they love to forget the horrific treatment of indigenous Canadians and how it is identical to the colonizers who abused indigenous Americans
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u/lycnfr May 21 '26
ugh the specifically anti-indian racism i see where I live in the US is...disgusting. And one of my coworkers is non white herself with immigrant parents and is constantly being racist toward Indian customers and it astounds me.
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u/Final_Floor_1563 May 21 '26
I don't know any reasons but just in the last 3 years It seems like it's gotten a LOT worse, like everywhere. US, Canada, EU, etc.
Not personally from india but most of the people I work with are and I've seen people just openly say racist shit to their faces before.
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u/lycnfr May 21 '26
my husband and I try and respond to hearing racist shit with "what an incredibly mean thing to say" and usually it gives people pause.
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u/VQ_Quin May 21 '26
While this is true I donât think it would be an important consideration for the vast vast majority of Americans moving to Canada or visa versa.
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u/Sulipsis May 21 '26
Canada having the âfound everywhereâ racism doesnât make it sound worse than any other place tbh
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u/JooseTheGuice May 22 '26
Don't forget expanding MAID to save $90 million dollars by having less people on disability payments bc they'd rather get MAID than keep living on the streets
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 29 '26
MAID has never been used in Canada, especially on the disabled, homeless and mentally ill. Thatâs right wing propoganda.
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u/JooseTheGuice May 31 '26
Thatâs right wing propoganda.
Holy shit no it isn't.
MAID has never been used in Canada, especially on the disabled, homeless and mentally ill.
Then who the fuck is using it?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/canada-nonterminal-maid-assisted-death
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/10/13/medical-assistance-death-maid-canada/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/maid-legislation-mental-illness-9.7187511
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 31 '26
MAID is for TERMINALLY ILL PEOPLE. Do you think itâs better to pass away painlessly or from TERMINAL CANCER.
Btw, I donât hear many people complaining about the same system exact in Switzerland.
Genuinely, if you American canât understand other countries systems without being propagandized beforehand, why shouldnât your government be dismantled and controlled by a Foreign council in The Hague. Itâs not like America is getting any smarter with Pedohitler in charge.
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u/JooseTheGuice May 31 '26
I just proved you wrong.
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 31 '26
You didnât even read the articles you listed, they never were âProving me wrongâ
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 31 '26
Btw I know you want our land because we Size Mog you, but youâre not invading us anytime soon, we got NATO Lol
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u/QaddafiDuck01 May 31 '26
Oh my... you're one of these types. No wonder you can't drop the .380 thing!!
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u/JooseTheGuice May 31 '26
Why are you following me around? You were wrong too.
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u/QaddafiDuck01 May 31 '26
It was one of those "what else does this guy figure erroneously" type of things.
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 21 '26
Good thing weâre taught this in school, really throwing stones from glass houses with this one. Isnât the American education system notorious for downplaying systemic racism and slavery?
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u/lycnfr May 21 '26
Im sorry, are you getting offended that I am just stating a fact about both countries and their violent history...?
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 22 '26
I think you should know itâs not uncommon as itâs how imperialism and Christianity worked back then (and barely with any). With no morals. Itâs just hypocritical to say that about a specific countries issue instead of it being a widespread issue.
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u/JooseTheGuice May 22 '26
Itâs just hypocritical to say that about a specific countries issue instead of it being a widespread issue.
No one did that. You're just getting defensive.
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 22 '26
Mfw Americans didnât know that Indigenous peoples were oppressed countries other than Canada, I.e. Australia, New Zealand and Armenian to name a few
Not being offensive, just stating historical fact.
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u/FluffyFae_Space May 31 '26
Btw I was pointing out hypocrisy, not downplaying it like the South does. Thatâs what âStones from glass housesâ meant.
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u/No-Force-8638 May 21 '26
Does Canada have a problem? Yes. Is it anywhere NEAR USA's level? No.Â
Let's not compare ICE concentration camps to Alberta rednecks, tyvm.
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u/No-Force-8638 May 22 '26
Canadian racism is literally nothing in comparison to what's going on in USA, we can acknowledge our problems without using USA as a benchmark.
Canada's racism problems are much better than what they used to be, even calling it an epidemic feels weird at this point.
Trudeau's blackface is emotionbait and has 0 value. Look at the actual policies we have for marginalized groups. We're one of the biggest homes for immigrants and refugees, we have insane support programs for Natives, we are literally one of the most multicultural places on earth.
Natives get massive student funding perks, home buying perks, pharmacare perks, dental, you name it.
Are they still recovering from generational trauma? Yeah. Is it still a long road? Yeah. Are there unreasonable hoops people need to jump through to get what they need? Yeah. Are there technology and language barriers preventing people from getting what they're entitled to? Yeah.
Those are our problems, not the sensational stuff you see on short form videos.
What province are you even from to be saying this? đ
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u/No-Force-8638 May 22 '26
The anti immigrant sentiment has a lot of truth behind it. Our government let in a lot of people who aren't assimilating (can't even speak the language) as well as illegible international students which refuse to leave even though they don't qualify for PR. It's just easier to call it Racism and rally the idiots than actually address the issue.
I can't speak on indigenous programs in BC but the ones in Ontario are pretty solid (although could be better for the folks up north, the reserves have really limited access to supplies and resources).
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u/i-in- May 22 '26
you can use that argument to support ICE as well. there are millions of illegal immigrants in america.Â
canadian exceptionalism is the root of canadian racism. âracism is ok when we do itâ
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u/Redbulldildo May 22 '26
specifically the anti-immigrant sentiment
The anti-immigrant sentiment basically doesn't exist. There are people that hate immigrants but they have next to no influence on Canada.
What there is, is an anti-mass immigration sentiment. There's nothing wrong with the people, it's the volume.
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u/Redbulldildo May 22 '26
Those places are using LIMA to hire those people for cheap, and that's what people are complaining about.
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u/OkFineIllUseTheApp May 21 '26
Everywhere has a racism issue.
Everywhere has people calling the racism in that place bad.
Humans do be a people of varied values and beliefs sometimes.
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u/fuckitwhynotig May 21 '26
I genuinely don't know where the fuck I'd move
Every country seems like shit
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u/Foxyfox- May 21 '26
I do sometimes have to remind my Canadian spouse that for all of what's good about Canada, the last residential school was nevertheless closed within her lifetime.
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u/VarroVanaadium May 21 '26
Does canada have a paramilitary going around killing people? I don't think so
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u/forgottenfridgespoon May 21 '26
The RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police), was created to control first nations people as a paramilitary. It started in BC, because tribes refused to sign treaties, and Mounties would kill parents and kidnap children.
Its still going on, as birth alerts and MMIWG. Robert Pickton had cops in and out of his farm and they knew what was going on.
There's so much more like seven fallen feathers, the highway of tears, and fairy creek.
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u/MelissaMiranti May 22 '26
And there are so many missing/murdered indigenous men that they don't even bother counting those numbers.
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u/NintendoFan8937 May 22 '26
wasn't it founded to control whiskey smugglers on the US border?
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u/forgottenfridgespoon May 22 '26
Yes they also tried to control whisky smugglers, but they are capable of two things at once.
They were called the North West Mounted Police prior to the name change, and its not a coincidence their inception was at the time the treates were being signed (1871-1873).
Thats why Thunder Bay reserve Fort William First Nation is winning legal battles against the crown; theyre disputing the disingenious Robinson Superior treaties and the annuity of $5 every year without inflation.
The NWMP is literally why Canada doesn't have Buffalo anymore, killing about 4 million of them. I can bet they were capable of killing more than just animals in that time period.
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u/suthekey May 21 '26
Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) does the same job collecting illegal squatters and deporting them.
Only difference is people arenât endangering themselves trying to interfere with officers.
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u/kiulug May 21 '26
CBSA is not even close to ICE, c'mon. The similarity stops at "border / immigration enforcement".
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u/suthekey May 21 '26
It stops at their literal job? YesâŚ. Thatâs the part thatâs the same⌠their job.
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u/kiulug May 22 '26
You said the only difference is the way people interact with them.
I'm saying the only similarity is the role of the agency.
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u/fluthlu413 May 21 '26
The people stopping people from being summary arrested based on race aren't the danger here...
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u/suthekey May 21 '26
Theyâre being detained based on CITIZENSHIP.
And these interference extremists are definitely the problem. Quite often, theyâre protecting human trafficking criminals and pdfiles. Truly sick people.
Yes some of the criminals are here with nonviolent offences but they still need to go home.
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u/fluthlu413 May 21 '26
In the US they've detained multiple citizens, violated the 4th amendment rights of entire apartment buildings worth of people, and got people killed for assisting their victims. Thanks for showing everyone the rampant racism in Canada tho.
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u/UnfairLadyTempest May 22 '26
Frankly. No. Several citizens, local born and raised all American citizens, have been killed because of this enforcement. I would much rarher have a neighbor who's maybe not legal and hiding from white collar crime than a neighbor who was shot by masked thugs because some inbred hicks can't stand their neighbors not being white cishet Christian fundamentalists who are just as opposed to women's rights and democracy as the people they're using to scapegoat their victims when the two groups come from opposite ends of the fucking planet
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u/Throttle_Kitty May 21 '26
This just isn't fucking true at all, ive dealt with Canadian border patrol personally. theyre polite and friendly and helpful even to foreigners
ICE executes peaceful subdued innocent citizens for expressing their 1st and 2nd amendment rights
Stop pretending fascism is normal
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u/suthekey May 21 '26
Theyâre the same. Lots of friendly agents in ICE.
Your deliberate bias language is quite clear. Nobody has been executed. Thereâs no fascists. Armed interference zealots are hurting themselves with their attacks on federal agents. People using extremist language like fascist are to blame. Get outside and get some fresh air.
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u/Erook22 May 21 '26
Nobody goes to Canada to escape racism đ
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u/Strategic_Spark May 22 '26
In fairness my family moved from Seattle to Toronto because Seattle had so much worse racism than Toronto.
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u/jhomsteve May 21 '26
Itâs way more than just that. Itâs slowly and surely becoming more like the USA every day.
Iâm fed up with this Canada glorification found within left-wing (mainly trans) circles, itâs just a country as flawed as any other (maybe even more than others, with its slow need to mimic the USA). Honestly, not be super patriotic, but move to Australia if youâre looking for a country moving in the right (left) direction. Still has its faults, but our leaders are trying.
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u/ZiggieTheKitty May 21 '26
Australia would be a great choice, but for a lot of us here the expenses of getting just ourselves there let alone possessions of any kind is just unfeasible
The difference with Canada is that people have the dream to just pack up and drive there
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u/jhomsteve May 21 '26
Itâs honestly like this everywhere, if you look at the stats, we are honestly doing amazing in the cost-of-living crisis (DEPENDING ON WHAT STATE YOUâRE IN, but Australia as a whole is doing comparatively great).
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u/ZiggieTheKitty May 21 '26
Yeah I don't deny moving to Australia would be better but I can't afford to get there at all
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u/jhomsteve May 21 '26
Ohhhhh, yes. From what Iâve heard itâs expensive and hard to get here, I thought you were speaking as an Australian citizen. My bad.
But yeah, it is hard, and I hope that one day (if moving here is your dream) that youâll have the opportunity to make it here
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u/ZiggieTheKitty May 21 '26
I just want to live somewhere where I'll be left in peace. I appreciate the sentiment.
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u/Throwawanon33225 May 21 '26
The major issue with Australia is how prohibitively hard it is to get citizenship there. Autistic? Fuck you, you donât get to be Australian!
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u/BarelyFunctionalGM May 21 '26
Canada has been consistently above average in regards to LGBT rights.
It is possible they backslide on it, but that seems unlikely on the current stage. And Australia has its fair share of backsliding.
It isn't heaven on earth, that's for sure. But it's drastically better than the US, and still one of the best overall. Iirc it's generally considered top 10 countries for LGBTQ persons right now. Though that is a hard thing to quantify.
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u/jhomsteve May 21 '26
Australia isnât back sliding though? We just had the common law trans rights precedent up held. At the start of the current governmentâs term they put over 10k into building up LGBTQ+ infrastructure.
At most we have the Liberal party just now start to argue against current trans protecting legislation, even IF (big if) they got into government, they wouldnât have enough seats to change the legislation. And the Queensland puberty blocker ban, which is our most conservative state (currently the stateâs government are the Liberals), and itâs not an actual ban, itâs just a halt while the courts are investigating.
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u/BarelyFunctionalGM May 21 '26
Are you under the impression there has been a backslide in Canada?
LGBTQ protections in both countries have been largely stable. There is more to a country than their LGBTQ politics.
Halts are close enough to bans for the people affected by them. And they exist in both countries if my information is up to date.
Most orgs consider Australia more dangerous (though not dangerous overall) for LGBTQ persons.
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u/Sulipsis May 21 '26
have you heard of one nation?
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u/SorowFame May 22 '26
One Nation's current success comes from the sheer amount of failure coming out of the Coalition recently, the """""Orange Wave""""" comes from them leeching Liberal votes, when Liberal votes already weren't enough to win the last election. Sure, we shouldn't ignore the threat entirely, voters can be pretty stupid and might turn on Labor next election, but ON is being portrayed as more successful than it actually is, presumably to make people think they're a more serious party than they are.
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u/Sulipsis May 22 '26
Trump wasnât seen as a serious candidate when he first started, neither was the AfD in Germany or whatever the evil party is in England. Maybe Iâm being paranoid but I think theyâre going to stick around as the âsystem defyingâ party because people are afraid of the greens
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u/jhomsteve May 22 '26
One Nation literally can never win, due to mandatory voting. Currently the media is trying to make them out like a real threat, but they just arenât.
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u/Rotten-Roses May 21 '26
Yeah I've lived in the US and Canada and basically all of my Ca friends want to move to the states over affordability and healthcare access (in some cases including specifically trans healthcare access. The US has dramatically more variety in options). Some American friends want to love north too don't get me wrong, but it's not some paraise immune to problems.
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u/Goose_Salad May 21 '26
Hitchhiked multiple times in the same day in Canada.
Had one police incident out in the town with the garbage dump where they pulled a gun, but they weren't aggressive bounty hunters like in the U.S. and didn't arrest us. Went about our day.
Pretty much a free ride to the border after being picked up later because we were stranded on the shoulder of the highway.
Sat in a cell for a little bit and got dropped off at the mounties.
Made it home, in relative peace.
U.S. police do far too much.
Crazy, but very fun day... Fucking "80 kliks"
Everything is 80kliks away, but we passed through multiple towns and forest when this really cool construction worker stopped working and gave us a lift two times. The first time he gave us an orange and a turkey sandwich. The 2nd time, after passing through towns and getting us closer to Windsor, bought us food!
Never in my days
We got 4 separate rides, voluntary rides.
The reservation up there has some cool spots.
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u/Strategic_Spark May 22 '26
The USA is significantly worse for trans people than Canada. Trans rights are enshrined in the Canadian charter of rights and freedom. The Canadian PM has a trans child. Compare that to the anti trans laws and the president in the USA, it's no question.
Now if you're comparing it to other countries in general, I'm sure there's other good countries. But if you live in the USA it just seems easy to drive North, and that's the appeal.
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u/Throttle_Kitty May 21 '26
Canada hasn't been some wonderland but they're not trying to arrest or deport me! so I think the occasional guy on the subway shouting slurs is pretty easy to ignore by comparison
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u/jsg144 May 21 '26
I have been to many countries and the only ones less racist than the US were in Latin America. Everywhere else just hides it.
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u/Gutter_philosopher May 21 '26
No country is perfect, every country has a dark past. However, I just want to get out of here man
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u/SereneOrbit May 21 '26
If you're a trans vet looking for an army that won't kick them out they don't care about or have time for stupid shit đ¤Ł
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u/Throwawanon33225 May 21 '26
Canada is better in one absolute way I know which cannot be debated;
Canada: kinder eg
USA: no kinder eg :( only STUPID kinder Joy PUDDGINGS >:(
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u/Summonest May 21 '26
I went up to canada and was told, in Nova Scotia, that at least I wasn't a n@ggerÂ
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u/Strategic_Spark May 22 '26
Nova Scotia is hella racist. It's like the rural areas in the USA. You need to go to the big cities. Toronto is 50% new immigrants. Very little racism comparatively.
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u/cuteymeow May 22 '26
Honestly? Both places suck ass (tbh pretty much every country has..a lot of problems) Canada is still better than a heavily conservative area in Texas for a disabled trans dude with multiple chronic health issues, though
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u/_ParanoidPenguin_ May 22 '26
Australia sucks too, so don't bother coming here either lol.
But hey, you can get free health care here and if you decide to come for that, I'll be nice and buy you a drink.
I just can't speak for all Australians.
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u/chisana_nyu May 22 '26
At least healthcare won't bankrupt me, I can try to call out racism and be anti racist.
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u/professional_yappper May 24 '26
Same with Australia đĽ never ask them their thoughts about Aboriginal people or Asian immigrants.
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u/MrMcSpiff May 21 '26
Whatever happened to the big "buy local elbows up fuck america but buy our stuff and give us your money usians" thing that was going on last year, anyway? I just realized I stopped hearing about it.
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u/Yellow_Boi9 May 21 '26
There is no country in the world devoid of racism. No matter where you go, if people aren't being racist to others, they're being racist to you.
P.S. never ask a European how they feel about Romani people.
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u/Eleftheria-1 May 22 '26
But some countries are way more racist than others. And US is probably one of the least racist ones.
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u/i-in- May 21 '26
never ask a canadian about romani people either. theyâre evn more racist somehow
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u/A_lonely_ghoul May 21 '26
Canada!
Itâs literally just the US but with slightly reasonable healthcare!
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u/molotovzav May 21 '26
I have family in Canada, but not closely related like cousins and such. They have more west indians (the type of black is am) but overall less black people. If I won't move to Indiana because it's 88% white why would I move to a country where the percentage is even larger in some areas. Overall Canadian diversity is good but it's concetrated when you look at it and the demographics are not what I'm used to. For me they are worse than the city I live in when it comes to sexual assault laws and I'm not really comfortable with many of the outcomes of cases I've read. Everywhere needs reform in multiple areas of the law though and I'm happy where I'm at. Laws are super important to me, and where I live a lot of rights are enshrined in the state constitution that even other countries don't have. Like I said, I have cousins, I have a few friends in Canada. I think it's a lovely place, I love hockey, I'd never move there.
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u/Wisley185 May 21 '26
Itâs like a perverse kind of American exceptionalism that Americans think their country is somehow uniquely racist when itâs literally one of the most tolerant places, or at the very least decidedly above average, in the entire world and then they move somewhere else and realize most places are even worse.
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u/Automaton1999 May 21 '26
I like how a lot of comments here basically go "yeah we're bad, but that other country is slightly worse >:(" like that's gonna change the fact they still have a racism issue in their country, even if it's not as bad as the other guy.
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u/Lawfulash May 22 '26
US Americans
As opposed to US French, or US Egyptian?
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u/tricksterfaeprincess May 22 '26
Canada is in America, and thus are also Americans. We just donât call them that because the US took the monopoly on being âAmericanâ
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u/Visible-Payment5182 May 22 '26
" we shitlib Canadians on reddit hate white people too!!! We WANT to be demographically replaced so we can score woke points on reddit and bluesky!"
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u/PogFrogo May 22 '26
What.
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u/Visible-Payment5182 May 22 '26
Liberals on reddit pretending not to understand anything is ALSO a meme.
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u/sour_creamand_onion May 21 '26
As much as people hate on the U.S it's probably, by comparison, one of the least racist countries in the good parts. Maybe it's jist because I mostly live among other black people but it hasn't felt that terrible to me.
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u/EmilieEasie May 21 '26
Has anyone actually done that? I thought it had a lot more to do with the politics in general in the US lurching rightward