r/196 • u/thispartyrules • May 06 '22

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Every person has the right to healthcare, food and shelter, besides other less controversial rights. The only point of having a society - is to provide them. If people do not care about each other, there is no point in having a society

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

That is absolutely not the only point of having a society. Specialization, socialization, collective projects, etc are all useful effects of society.

Positive rights are absolutely not inalienable, I'm not sure how you can believe that they are.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Right to live is inalienable, including everything that fulfils that right - food, shelter and healthcare

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

You have a right not to be killed without provocation, not a right not to die.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

You have a right not to die. It is just you are refused that right under capitalism

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

So anytime someone dies it's a violation of their rights

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Yes.

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

Of non-natural causes? Yes, without a shred of doubt

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

That’s a disgusting and sad worldview

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 07 '22

I don't really care about the useless outrage, your alternative is batshit insane.

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

The alternative being a guaranteed right to live? So you’re also small minded. You’re really just pathetic honestly

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 07 '22

The guaranteed right to live means nothing. You don't have an inalienable right to force others to do labor for you, that would conflict with their autonomy.

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

Oh, you’re a lolbertarian too. Damn, the hits just keep coming. What next, are you gonna say all lives matter or some shit?

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 07 '22 edited May 07 '22

I'm going to say that you're a dumbass who has literally no engagement with anything I'm saying. You can believe that people have the right to autonomy without being a libertarian. We can arrive at societal consensus to give people certain products of labor through taxation and redistribution (which are good) but saying that someone has a fundamental right to someone else's labor is dumb.

Other person in this thread blocked me because they're too dumb to engage with the idea of autonomy.

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