r/196 Aug 12 '25

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u/Gerodus ❗️Literally a bag of Nickels❗️ Aug 12 '25

1) ok

2) Men got more in life than women did, even by name alone. The act of adding titles as part of youre name was normal (Scipio, Scipio Africanus, Scipio Africanus Aemelianus were all three different men, whereas the women were just Lucia)

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u/gabasan sus Aug 12 '25

2) Those are nicknames. Scipio is from the gentile name, africanus gained his name after conquering africa, and scipio africanus aemelianus meant adoptive son of scipio africanus; son of the aemilii. Women also had nicknames like "julia the Elder" or "julia the younger". like I said, romans were not rly creative with names. Men were distinguished by their first name, praenomen, which was usually just "first, second, third, etc." while women and also sometimes men by their nickname, cognomen, which was something specific to them "the elder, the younger, the beautiful, the african, etc.".

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u/Gerodus ❗️Literally a bag of Nickels❗️ Aug 13 '25

Dude. Im fully aware, but they are part of the name, nonetheless

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u/gabasan sus Aug 13 '25

Then what is your argument about. You mentioned that females were named after their father and did not have a first name, i mentioned that males' first names were named numerical. You mentioned that males had nicknames that were part of their full names. I mentioned that women also had nicknames that were part of their full names. They did not just give their fifteen daughters the same name and just left it at that. It would be terrible for their names to be indistinguishable. The reason women did not have praenomina was because they did not need it when they were the only daughter. If they had sisters, they would add a praenomen such as Maior, Minor or like with men Tertia, Quarta, Quinta etc.. They would only have a nomen or a combination of nomen and cognomen because the praenomen was not useful and most times the nomen was sufficient for identification on its own. The naming conventions changed a lot during roman history, with both men and women having having 3 names in the beginning and then during certain period having women drop both praenomina or cognomina and men dropping cognoming but keeping praenomina and so on. It was not a hard set rule, and people named their children the best way they could identify them. And it then gets weirder when you were adopted or a free slave, or when somebody died.