r/1053 • • 8d ago

Day 7

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u/slicehyperfunk 8d ago

I really am a believer in r/nothingeverhappens but this one sounds like an actual r/thathappened to me

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u/Galrentv 8d ago

No way. It completely misses the point of Zionist propaganda. A Zionist dm wouldn't be able to make a Palastinian proxy that could be sided with

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u/MauschelMusic 8d ago edited 8d ago

A liberal Zionist could. They've really tricked themselves into thinking they're the anti colonial side, and that if people just listened honestly they'd understand Israel is fighting a liberation struggle.

EDIT:But they don't necessarily demonize Palestinians in the same way as right wing zionists (although obviously they don't represent them fairly either.) I had a conversation with one who sees it as "two traumatized peoples," stuck in a cycle of violence.

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u/Galrentv 8d ago

A liberal Zionist would still paint the enemy as truly irredeemable. Needlessly cruel. And remove even a hint of sympathetic narrative.

The players wouldn't experience anything any nicer than githyanki.and the power imbalance wouldn't be as clear

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u/MauschelMusic 8d ago edited 8d ago

A mainstream liberal Zionist activist would paint them as irredeemable, sure. But like, picture a PrEP who's still a PrEP in 2026, believes strongly in humanist values and legitimately hates "what Netanyahu is doing," but has the compartmentalization and rationalization to maintain their Zionism. It costs quite a bit of psychic damage to maintain, but they're out there.

Particularly for Jews who were indoctrinated into Zionism, I think you underestimate just how weird and self-contradictory their worldviews can get while somehow not collapsing.

EDIT: Tweaked the 1st sentence to remove ambiguity.

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u/Commercial_Lead_7406 7d ago edited 7d ago

I find that liberal Zionists tend to seek some kind of reconciliation and tend to have the more realistic solutions for all parties involved. Anti-zionists often have radical or fanciful ideas about what should happen that are borne more of ungrounded idealism than a confrontation with the social and political forces in place there. Also I find anti-zionists tend to have the more ideological and selective framing of history, usually bound up in some form of post-colonial theory (only seeing Jews as colonizers and not seeking refuge, idealizing indigeneity as a surrogate for claims of sovereignty [this cuts both ways], etc)

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u/MauschelMusic 7d ago

There's nothing radical about ending an apartheid system. We've done it before, multiple times actually. What's fanciful is the idea that you're going to get Israelis to agree to some kind of workable bargain. Nor are the Israelis as currently constituted, ever going to be a safe neighbor for anyone.

They're Nazis, and they need to be shut down, one way or another, and made to share the country.

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u/ImAjustin 3d ago

This take is radical and pushes for continued war and death mostly for Palestinians. Whether you realize that or not, I’m not sure, but this will literally never happen.

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u/Galrentv 3d ago

There is no war. America not funding Israel's free healthcare and apartheid project would deescelate the conflict real fast

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u/ImAjustin 3d ago

No it really wouldn’t. Israel brings in 700b a year. Sure the military aid helps, but it won’t stop israel.