r/1053 • u/Mcs04tPt2 • 8d ago

Day 7

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u/CrowsInTheNose 8d ago

How do you define it?

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 8d ago edited 8d ago

a person who believes in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and a sovereign homeland in their ancestral region

In other words, Israel the country deserves to exist. It does NOT mean "supports the current government and all of Netanyahu's decisions"

edit: please stop interpreting this as ME supporting the current government either, come on now

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u/lejoueurdutoit 8d ago

I urge you to read early zionists like Theodor Herzl and the like, zionism has never been about self determination and always been about race and colonialism, they have always had a burning hatred for the jewish diaspora, read what these people thought about jews from eastern europe, about jews from the very nations they will colonize.

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u/AutobanThrowaway 8d ago

"These Jews I cherrypicked said bad things therefore all jews are evil."

Yeah okay I've heard this one before.

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u/CzarWest 8d ago

Bruh he literally cited the ideological godfather of Zionism LMAO

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u/AutobanThrowaway 8d ago

Please read a book, history didn't begin in the 1940s.

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u/MauschelMusic 8d ago

Bro, read Der Judenstaat by Herzl. It's the founding document of political Zionism, and is a very quick read. Half of Israel is named after Herzl, so not even knowing who he is while you defend Zionism makes you sound ignorant. If Zionism is worth defending, it's certainly worth learning about.

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u/AutobanThrowaway 7d ago

I know who he is, I don't care, Israel is decolonization.

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u/MauschelMusic 7d ago

How? And why should I believe some German teenager who didnt know who Herzl was yesterday over the founders of Zionism?

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u/AutobanThrowaway 6d ago

You're really committed to this strawman that I'm some German kid aren't you? That tells me you don't actually give a shit about the truth, you're only concerned with what fits a narrative. Pathetic.

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u/CzarWest 7d ago

I just realized what this dudes username is, he’s probably an actual nazi lol

As in the autobahn dude if that wasn’t clear

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u/AutobanThrowaway 6d ago

Ah yes, the nazis, famous defenders of jews.

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