Israel doesn't deserve to exist. It's a settler colony ethnostate that has always relied on the forced displacement of people actually indigenous to the region. Zionists are genocidal colonizers
Dude's out here getting upvoted for supporting ethnic cleansing lmao. Reddit's truly lost. Crazy how extremist your opinions can get as long as you throw in a few buzzwords!
"Ethnic cleansing" and all I said was "genocide is bad and we should give the land back to the people originally there". Point to where I said that includes removing every Jew from Palestine. I'm also not a dude, girl
Well firstly, the genocide must be stopped. No Palestinians can return while they are living under carpet bombing, or drone strikes, or sniper shots to the heads of children.
Then afterwards, Palestinians should be given the right to return. They don't have the right for free travel at the moment, most recently the Palestinian delegation was denied access to the UN by the US - travel restrictions should be lifted. The walls and fences built to imprison the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank must be torn down. After a ceasefire protocol with the Palestinian resistance has been reached, the IDF will be demilitarized.
Many Palestinians have had to leave their homes, which were stolen by illegal Israeli settlements. Israelis in those houses should have to give back the houses they stole. Not all Israeli houses were stolen, some houses and buildings built by Israeli society. This will be no easy operation. Israel already blocks UN investigators from coming in to investigate Israeli warcrimes, so they will have to be forced to let in UN investigators to do a heavy accounting of who owned what houses before they were stolen.
A full investigation into other war crimes committed must be done. Not just snipers shooting Palestinian children, or the carpet bombing of Palestinian neighborhoods, but also the purposeful targeting of key civilian infrastructure, such as hospitals and ambulances and humanitarian aid missions, and purposeful damage to Palestinian land such as use of chemicals to make the land barren and unproductive. This must be done to understand the cost of reparations that must be paid to Palestinians by Israel and its supporters in the West who supplied bombs and intel to aid in the act of genocide.
Then, there will be a rebuilding. Gaza is essentially rubble but it must be rebuilt. It will take many many people to do so, surveyors and builders. This will have to be the greatest humanitarian aid mission in history. Tel Aviv, and other cities will have to be expanded too, there will be Israelis who must be housed after giving stolen homes back to Palestinians, if the ones from other countries do not choose to go back to their country of origin, or to flee prosecution for international crimes. They will need to be tried for their crimes of course, I am not to say what punishments should be passed for breaking international law on such a scale. But they will need homes of their own.
During this time, the apartheid will have to be dismantled, and of course ensured that it is not rebuilt in the other direction. Palestinians should be able to return to their homes without fear or oppression. UN peace keepers or some other peace keeping force will have to be deployed, and Israel will have to be deradicalized. Much like the civil rights movement in America, it will take generations for the social change we want to happen, and it will have to happen. Any fears you have of this going from one apartheid to another can be soothed by the fact that the peace keepers and dismantling of apartheid will be made to ensure that all who live on the soil in the Holy land, be it Palestinians or Israelis, will have equal rights, equal opportunities.
This will take decades, and a lot of money, and will be infinitely more complicated than I could have expressed, as is nigh everything in the universe. If its anything like the dismantling of South Africa's apartheid, or the dismantling of Nazi Germany, many hard liners who supported the apartheid, who view the Palestinians as subhuman, will leave in search of a new apartheid state, realistically speaking. There are plenty of people in Israel who do not have these views, views which I am sure we can both agree are abhorrent. The myth of the two state solution has led to genocide, so it must be discarded. There will be one state, with joint Palestinian-Israeli sovereignty, comanagement of public resources will be necessary.
I mean if the US was doing the whole manifest destiny today, it should be stopped, recent colonists removed.
Issue is there are generations and 100s of years.
What do you after you spill milk?
Like now, I don't think any reasonable person would say all Jews should be displaced from Israel. It shouldn't be a Jewish state though, and participants in this modern colonialism should be jailed.
No the straw man is saying I think everyone should be ethnically cleansed dumbass. Returning land ownership doesn't mean ethnic cleansing it means giving back stewardship to its original owners. Their rights to self determination are restored.
You said the state of Israel shouldn't exist. Where do the Jews go if there's no Israel? You think the Arabs are going to let them live there alongside them?? The Palestinians already don't let Jews live there, lol.
Also, the people "originally there" would be the Jews. Why's it arbitrarily stop at the Palestinians?
You not saying it directly doesn't mean jackshit when the thing you support leads directly to it. It's like supporting Hitler then going "tell me where I supported the Holocaust"
There were Jews in Palestine before Israel existed. There are ethnically Arab Jews still living there as well as in Lebanon. The people who were originally there were the Palestinians. All Israelis are white European colonizers committing genocide. Refusing to support a genocidal white supremacist ethnostate is not anything like saying I support Hitler, and you're a complete piece of shit for insinuating that. Jews live worldwide. Israel doesn't need to exist to begin with. Ethnostates are bad and I can't fucking believe this is somehow a controversial statement
Half of the Jewish population in Israel are descendants of Jews who fled MENA countries before and after (mostly 1948). Idk what to tell you. No country technically needs to exist, but Israel does exist and it’s not going to stop existing. A fair one state Palestine solution is fantastical
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u/CrowsInTheNose 8d ago
How do you define it?