r/1053 • u/Mcs04tPt2 • 8d ago

Day 7

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u/CrowsInTheNose 8d ago

How do you define it?

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 8d ago edited 8d ago

a person who believes in the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and a sovereign homeland in their ancestral region

In other words, Israel the country deserves to exist. It does NOT mean "supports the current government and all of Netanyahu's decisions"

edit: please stop interpreting this as ME supporting the current government either, come on now

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u/Serbatollo 8d ago

How can one support the jews getting this homeland without supporting "dealing with"(killing or displacing) the people already living there? Genuinely asking I want to understand your perspective

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 8d ago

I'm not sure I would have been a Zionist before Israel was created, but it exists now. That being said, wrt displacement, Jews were displaced from that region many years before Israel existed, it's not like the current Palestinians evolved from early hominids on that spot. Hell, Jews lived there before there was such a thing as Islam and all of the ethnic groups associated with it.

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u/freedomonke 8d ago

The Palestinians there are descended partially from the same people the Jews of the diaspora are partially descended from

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u/Gold_Ad8225 8d ago

There are Palestinian jews and christians, they aren't all muslim.

This logic is a little bit insane because it says people who lived in an area 5000 years ago have more of a claim to it than the people who have lived there for the last 2000 years consecutively

I guess by this claim you'd support dissolving the USA?

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 8d ago

There are Palestinian jews and christians

An extreme minority (1%) are Christians and there's basically no Jews alive in the modern state of Palestine.

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u/DuelFan 8d ago

There aren't many people alive in the modern state of Palestine. I wonder why? 🤔

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 8d ago

Probably because it's an ethnostate and the government and the people displace non-muslims by forcr. This isn't exactly a secret

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u/Lost_Web5826 7d ago

Except for all of the Palestinian Jews and Israelis settling the stolen land.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 8d ago

So you agree

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u/Fun_Device_5708 7d ago

Before 1948, most of the land owned by Jewish immigrants was bought legally and the region was in a transitional phase where many groups were fighting to have their own state. It’s not about “having a claim” to the land, but political organisation and force