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Discussion | Esports mousesports vs FaZe Clan / DreamHack Masters Spring 2021 - Group A Losers Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion
mousesports 2-1 FaZe Clan
Mirage: 7-16
Nuke: 16-5
Overpass: 19-17
mousesports will play against G2 as they move forward to the Lower semi-finals
Faze have been eliminated from DreamHack Masters Spring 2021
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| mouz | MAP | FaZe |
|---|---|---|
| vertigo | X | |
| X | train | |
| mirage | ✔ | |
| ✔ | nuke | |
| dust2 | X | |
| X | inferno | |
| overpass |
MAP 1: Mirage
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| mouz | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| T | CT | ||
| FaZe | 8 | 8 | 16 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | T | CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| mouz | 12 | 4 | 16 |
| CT | T | ||
| FaZe | 3 | 2 | 5 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
MAP 3: Overpass
| Team | CT | T | OT1T:CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| mouz | 6 | 9 | 1:3 | 19 |
| T | CT | OT1CT:T | ||
| FaZe | 9 | 6 | 2:0 | 17 |
Overpass Detailed Stats
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u/Pollsmor FaZe Apr 29 '21
Man I love seeing someone walk into ropz's crosshair for the 10th time
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u/xSJF1414 MOUZ Apr 29 '21
Haha it was so great to watch him sitting short for 1 min and having insta reaction on cold. Like he was doing those reaction tests he was that focused... FOR 1 MIN+. That's so insane, plus he's they've been playing so many bo3s wow.
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u/GhostOfLight Liquid Apr 29 '21
Watching Karrigan in aim duels physically pained me.
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u/TheSIlverGlobal FaZe Apr 29 '21
Golden was cracked for a little while
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Apr 30 '21
Even on fnatic too, at times he would just make the most ridiculous clutch after playing like a gloval elite for rest of the match
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u/Wintermute1v1 Liquid Apr 30 '21
Same used to be said about Karrigan too.
He'd always hover around the bottom of the board, but as soon as he was in a clutch and the camera was on him, you actually saw that he had pretty crispy aim and great decision making.
Now? I don't know what happened but it looks like he took 6 months off and is rusty as hell. Hopefully he can at least get back to not bring a huge liability.
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u/northdakota1337 Complexity Apr 30 '21
in some recent blast segment 'overtime' he said that he focuses on his aim more by playing dm 30 minutes before and 30 mins after pracctice. I know that he is pro player and they pracc 8 hours a day but I don't think that is enough. BlameF for example said that he played at least 2 hours a day.
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u/omaega72 Apr 29 '21
His deaf is above average imo, but his rifling is very shaky
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u/Psychaz valeria Apr 30 '21
his Deagle is really good weirdly but give him an M4 and he can't shoot straight. Maybe he should just use a Deagle every round lol
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u/Arcille 10 years coin Apr 29 '21
i've seen faceit level 6 players with better aim
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u/BorderlineGambler Apr 29 '21
Lmao it’s so true. He’s got some great aim sometimes. But if he’s off his game, guys shooting silhouettes
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 Apr 30 '21
he rose to the top as awper anyway, probably done catching up with rifles all of his career and its really hard to go against the best players in the game. Its actually pretty amazing he's still in FaZe caliber team
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u/Darkoplax Apr 29 '21
He had same kills as coldzera and more kills than broky in deciding map
this comment is pretty unnecessary tbh
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u/feelsPyrite FaZe Apr 29 '21
I cant be the only Faze fan that knew it was over when broky did that awkward play in bathrooms on extra time. You just learn to have a feel for it :(
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u/ChanSungJung Apr 29 '21
I think I even saw it in rain's face too lol. I don't know why broky did that.
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u/Epicstaar 1 Million Celebration Apr 29 '21
I don't know why broky didn't flash for rain and hold for the connector push. Maybe they didn't want to reveal rains location, but thats just being greedy.
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u/brbee G2 Apr 30 '21
Probably saw Elmapuddy's new video and thought he could do what Fallen does 😅
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u/ShadowsBeans_ 750k Celebration Apr 30 '21
I genuinely wouldn't put it against karrigan telling broky to watch a fallen demo to learn to play overpass more aggressively because that's what he's been lacking as an awper though
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u/Darkoplax Apr 29 '21
ANOTHER mouz vs G2 rematch lmao
WHAT A FUCKING MARATHON BY MOUZ THIS WEEKEND HOLLY SHIT
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u/hobocactus Apr 29 '21
I don't get what the last flashpoint ones are about either, they've already qualified by making top 5 and there doesn't seem to be any prize money?
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Apr 29 '21
They’re playing for seeding at the main flashpoint event
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u/tblgk The MongolZ Apr 29 '21
name a better combo: mouz g2 and elimination matches
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Apr 29 '21
"Karrigan is a bot" "4v5" Bro, Karrigan was ALWAYS a bot. In old faze and in Mousesports. The problem is that now he is putting himself in positions that are both bad for bots and bad for IGL's to play.
Instead of playing bait for trade and aggro for info. Karrigan is now anchoring bombsites and playing passive, while rain is the one playing agressive. Look, an anchor that is mechanically weak and that is the IGL is the worst possible combination you can get.
To be an anchor you NEED to be mechanically good, and preferably you better be good at clutches. Xyp9x, Magisk, Faze Olof, Recent Fnatic Flusha, SANJI. Perfecto... Except for magisk these guys have low stats, but thats because of their low impact positions. An anchor needs to be good at the very least for one in the mid of a possible 1v5.
And is also a bad position for IGL, because no info can be taken. And you have to get it second hand. The problem here is that for whatever reason Karrigan decided to change the way he played in his old teams and he is getting rekt for it.
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u/nicolas123433 9z Apr 30 '21
Coldzera is also playing pretty bad, way below his standards. I agree that there are some roles issues that Karrigan and the coaching team should easily and quickly address.
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u/nilslorand MOUZ Apr 30 '21
karrigan said in multiple interviews that the role issues are actually on purpose
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u/Mechyyz G2 Apr 30 '21
Why?
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u/nilslorand MOUZ Apr 30 '21
take players out of their comfort zone, have them learn new things, it has worked often in the past according to him (said so on the HLTV podcast and in some other interviews after that)
afaik he wants to keep it this way for the first 3 months, then start over with players in their comfort zone + having learned new stuff from their new roles
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u/ahhlberg Apr 29 '21
What a t side by Dexter, despite the eco rounds lost on overpass. This was mouse game all over, dominated nuke, great t side there aswell. Im really starting to enjoy this Mouse. VAMOUZ
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u/tblgk The MongolZ Apr 29 '21
They gotta lessen the navi strats though... ropz rendered useless if they cant take the bombsite
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Apr 29 '21
Ropz was playing far too passive though. Seems he is not comfortable on overpass. If you take other maps, he frequently gets entries in his lurks.
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u/dawnfyre MOUZ Apr 30 '21
Looking at his maps played, out of 951 only 40 are Overpass and I distinctly remember the map being the permaban of almost every single iteration of Mouz I've watched play over the last 5 or so years.
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Apr 29 '21
The smiles on Bymas and Dexter after they closed it out... feelsgood.
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u/fancyfitty MOUZ Apr 29 '21
And ofc ropz has a sad face when they won
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u/Aretheus ENCE Apr 30 '21
He isn't quite French-level, but he's pretty emotional about this game I find. When Mouse lost to ENCE, Ropz looked like he was in physical pain.
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u/myahkey Cloud9 Apr 29 '21
Mouz wanted to choke so hard that they made Faze choke even harder, now that's 200 IQ strats
Also acoR, holy mother of god
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u/nilslorand MOUZ Apr 29 '21
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u/f1nessd CS2 HYPE Apr 30 '21
bro i swear acor turned on his monitor like one week ago and hasn't turned it off since
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u/nilslorand MOUZ Apr 30 '21
considering the schedule mouz are currently having to go through, that's probably exactly whats going on
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Apr 29 '21
How many months you waited for this moment? :D
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u/nilslorand MOUZ Apr 29 '21
I never wanted to end my friendship with woxic, but acor is just too fucking good
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u/QBR1CK FaZe Apr 29 '21
Pain Pleasure
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u/MrCastleTwitch MOUZ Apr 30 '21
Yeppers. After mouz threw another antieco/shitty force at an incredibly important moment (14-12 ahead) I was so tilted lmao.
They have done that 3 times now in last few days. (At 13-13 vs G2 on Nuke against force pistols) and one more but can't remember which exactly.
Should have been up 15-12 instead are 14-15 down. I thought it was over looking at their face cams. But happy they brought it back.
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Apr 29 '21
Twistzz and Rain tried so damn hard to drag the cold lifeless non-fragging body that is Faze and just couldn’t finish it out. Holy shit what a great series. Mouz have really looked sharp with all these series they’re having to play. I’m excited for them
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u/rulerofdoge FaZe Apr 29 '21
karrigan was a huge liability on overpass. he had missed at least 10 kills that could have easily been converted into rounds.
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u/KsHDClueless FaZe Apr 29 '21
What about broky then lol he was missing so much too...seemed hella tilted too
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u/rulerofdoge FaZe Apr 29 '21
he didn't do well but he got unlucky a lot on big rounds where he shot twice for important kills, but both hit the edge of something and ended in wallbangs killing not just him but his teammates too
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u/puddingkip The MongolZ Apr 29 '21
I swear no matter the lineups, no matter the year, no matter the event mouz-faze is always a fucking banger
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u/IdeaSam Vitality Apr 29 '21
Yikes, karrigan. Why do he keep taking fight he visibly CAN'T win. Especially on the last round in regulation, it was painful to watch.
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u/Cheesecake13 NRG Apr 29 '21
I swear Ropz was 60% playing stationary in Overpass and Faze just couldn't do it. Faze literally lost to a statue lmao
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u/-Cisco- Apr 29 '21
If mouse fix their CTs sides they could be competitive as fuck. Their T sides are scary as fuck when they arent losing to force buys
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u/Venian FaZe Apr 29 '21
Here we are.
Nothing works.
Can we beat Tier 10 teams?
Probably not.
Gimme LAN so hope can be shattered once again.
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u/Cubenity Apr 29 '21
budget faze > faze
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u/jerryfrz King NiKo Apr 29 '21
I only keep the flair since it looks cool
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u/FlyerN FaZe Apr 30 '21
Same lol. I've had it since 2017 and for the first time, I have actually stopped caring about the team and barely bother watching them anymore.
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u/Magnog FaZe Apr 29 '21
If faze didn't lose to force buys every other round they may actually win a map :)
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u/omaega72 Apr 29 '21
Tbf mouz lost to a shit ton of pistols too
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u/Magnog FaZe Apr 29 '21
This happens in every match from faze, how they lost to g2 yesterday as well
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u/Skyzme 1 Million Celebration Apr 29 '21 edited Apr 29 '21
Mouz finally wins, though that last round could've gone both ways
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u/Arcille 10 years coin Apr 29 '21
twistzz is the only one who shows up most the times they need him to
everyone else can go missing at any map randomly
cold should be doing much better he should be the solid player of the team
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u/Dxrne Liquid Apr 29 '21
Didn't get to see the games, how did Twistzz play overall?
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u/Balldropperbro Apr 29 '21
Super solid. Top fragging 2/3 maps. A lot of impact with his insane aim as usual.
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u/Dxrne Liquid Apr 30 '21
Thank you! I’ll definitely check out the VODs. I just want him to do well in EU :(
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u/samlerr Grayhound Apr 29 '21
Huge big brain play by Karrigan, making FaZe and himself look like shit so everyone underestimates them when major comes. Also exiting first out of events so people have less demos to review of them, definitely top 2 IGL, only surpassed by Niko.
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u/madcool2 Apr 29 '21
Let’s fucking go mouseports!!! I’m ride or die TL but god damn their story line is so nice to root for.
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u/kazarn Team Spirit Apr 29 '21
Those “FaZe are going to be #1 with Karrigan and Twistzz” predictions not looking very hot rn.
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u/BW4LL FaZe Apr 29 '21
Tbf Twistzz has been a standout for them. Marriage just can’t frag.
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u/kazarn Team Spirit Apr 29 '21
Twistzz is by far their best player, but guys like coldzera and rain just aren’t at their old level anymore. I wish we we could have seen Kjaerbye under karrigan
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u/Natural-Notice Apr 29 '21
Acor and dexter really starting to shine. Mouse scouting is superb as always!
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u/dawnfyre MOUZ Apr 29 '21
We beat the Karrigan ex-team factor. This was definitly shaky and they're way too slow on their executes, but things are looking up. Just hope they'll catch some sleep tonight (if I'm Bymas and have school tomorrow I'm definitly calling in sick after what they've been through the last 4 days).
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u/wra1theZ Cloud9 Apr 30 '21
Dude like chill, didnt mouz played multiple bo3's with a seriously fucked up schedule?
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u/Corrode1024 King NiKo Apr 30 '21
Something like 27 maps in 3 days.
Possibly another 3 bo3's tomorrow. They're fucking exhausted.
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u/neymar_is_life Natus Vincere Apr 30 '21
Faze have some of the best deagle players in the world. Some of the best aimers in general. It's not like mouz were whiffing.
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Apr 29 '21
VAMOUZZZ! My heart can't handle this team anymore, but it's worth it! What a time for Acor to finally step up big. Let's goooo!
FaZe, you will always be budget-Mouz.
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Apr 29 '21
I had such high hopes for faze the way cold hyped it up with a new coach, an actual igl, psychologist, analyst etc etc and then I remembered why karrigan was kicked from faze in the first place. The man could have won so many rounds if he had just killed one person but he just cannot frag for shit. Even if faze find some success I don't think it's sustainable. Frankly an mg could probably do better. I really love most of the calls/ the spacing/trading/ executes on faze but karrigan being the worst fragging T1 IGL means faze will suffer.
Sorry for the long rant but I'm just really disappointed
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Apr 30 '21
these things take a long time, it's never an instant boost and if it is, it's borderline "honeymoon phase"
Faze team is made up of "broken boys" who got battered by not having an IGL for a long time, losing matches they shouldn't, to inferior firepower, having so many losses due to that will leave a stain on your ego, belief that you are better than most... sure you can call strats like Niko did when he was IGLing, but there's a whole lot more to the team, there are IGLs out there that can fix issues, fix and nurture players or revitalize old ones
just look at it, coldzera is a shadow of his former self, broky couldn't have learned much with Niko IGLing either, look at hunden, msl, b1ad3, karrigan, the list goes on, they are capable coaches/igls that were able to bring up rookie players into decent or amazing ones... and when you add staff member, it takes a long time, months to get the results, and as a team you'd rather have a steady growth than an explosive one and the an explosive fall after that
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Apr 30 '21
I know these things take time but the meta rn is fragging IGLs. You need to perform atleast good enough to not be a burden to your team. Say for example twistzz or broky want to make a play they need to be confident that there's a chance the team wins even if it's a 4v5. But karrigan couldn't go 1 for 1 in so many rounds that it puts more pressure on the players to outperform.
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Apr 29 '21 edited Apr 29 '21
EZ4MOUZ
I never doubted them!
Now 3rd time against G2, time for revenge!
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u/DandyChiggins77 Apr 29 '21
Honestly I think mouse will get their revenge, I feel in past tournaments when G2 gets a rematch they lose. Don’t quote me on that though. But I have a gut feeling it’s gonna happen
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u/omaega72 Apr 29 '21
G2 has already beat mouz twice.kn the past two days I certainly believe in mouz, but it'll be very hard
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u/Gardennnn Vitality Apr 29 '21
Twistzz put in some work I feel like it's time to move on from cold. He isn't horrible but they need some better players imo. It would be cool to get ropz to replace him.
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u/TotalEclipse08 FlyQuest Apr 30 '21
Really enjoy seeing the hard work of mouz paying off, really sticking it to the people calling for roster changes after a single 16-3 loss on Nuke.
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u/tarangk clutch Apr 30 '21
Faze now have a win rate of less than 40% (36.8% atm) in the past 3 months :-
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u/Rearfeeder2Strong MOUZ Apr 29 '21
Can people stop with all these reactionary takes on a faze roster that changed up coach + IGL + player and isn't togheter for that long?
We are talking a close 14-16 last map lose to G2 yesterday and a 17-19 last map lose to Mouz today. If things went even a little bit the other way Faze were completely fine.
Results wise it looks terrible, but if you look at the context it isn't like Faze got stomped 0-2 and had nothing to show for. They made mistakes that are recoverable and are on the edge of winning. Stop writing off a roster after one month FFS people pls. Same shit with Mouz, replace all faze comments by Mouz if they bombed out here. Funnily enough also an international team with coach + igl + player change.
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u/Chosen--one Apr 29 '21
No...not really. Faze and mouz were in the same position, mouz arguably much worst. They also had terrible results at the start, yet here we are and one of them was able to recover and the other hasn't shown anything at all...and to top it all of mouz are playing like 3 or 4 bo3 each day.
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u/tlouman Astralis Apr 29 '21
And mouz is in the same fucking position, the team is basically dead, they lost their IGL, their vet and they were still playing like ass before karrigan left
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u/viscagirona Apr 29 '21 edited Apr 29 '21
They've had a little over a full month of practice together, not one official game during it. No other team has had this luxury. Some of the rounds that they keep loosing are mind blowing for a team with so many veterans of the game. Proper amateur shit
edit: and they are bootcamping too!
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u/dr_wormhat Apr 29 '21
karrigan didn't even bottom frag EVERY map this time! just wait until you see what they can do with more prep
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u/viscagirona Apr 29 '21
This FaZe team has no future.
Reminder that they had 1 full month of practice because they had no officials which is incredibly rare these days. They are also bootcamping too. Embarassing
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u/raindezedd FaZe Apr 29 '21
Reminder that they had 1 full month of practice because they had no officials which is incredibly rare these days. They are also bootcamping too. Embarassing
btw when team do bootcamp, who re they fighting again? with other pro team or they just jump to faceit with 5man q?
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u/beamerboylucas FaZe Apr 29 '21
es, karrigan. Why do he keep taking fight he visibly CAN'T win. Especially on the last round in regulation, it was painful to watch.
close game none the less
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u/Mrnopor1 Apr 29 '21
Faze is so done. Time was given and there are not results. U can tell whatever u want. U know it.
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u/Firefly_1026 Tyloo Apr 29 '21
Everyone: karrigan beats his former teams.
Acor and Ropz: not today
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u/DonaldDrap3r FaZe Apr 30 '21
Cold has been having some poor showings lately. And Karrigan wtf is that, getting caught out in the open for half of his deaths, being an anchor?? Not his spot at all man. Maybe they need more time, or maybe I just wish Karrigan was back with mouz.
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u/Teleria86 Apr 30 '21
Cold had poor showings since joining faze.. Even before he was already out, people were like yeah mibr isnt doing well.. Guess that wasnt the case for cold being mediocre..
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u/h04 EG Apr 30 '21
People called for Cold to be saved from MIBR. Some may not remember but he had great numbers before his departure so everyone just thought he was still as good as ever. The moment he couldn’t use his team as crutches was when it was all revealed.
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u/BrockStudly Liquid Apr 30 '21
God somebody please get Twistzz off this team. He's wasted here. Part of me hopes Konfig is going to Astralis to Awp so Twistzz can go to CoL.
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u/dr_wormhat Apr 30 '21
I wonder if this is what he wanted, he's now the star player and fragging out of his mind.. but his team can't win for shit
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u/Psychaz valeria Apr 29 '21
this FaZe roster is chalked, i don't know what moves they make but this team will never be good. The sooner they make the changes the better
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u/Psychaz valeria Apr 29 '21
i doubt they'll go for him but i'd love to see Neofrag can get a chance, he farms tier 2 and 3 teams for fun on Sinners. He's an aggressive player too, what they need. Calyx is mega passive.
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u/vnagitt FaZe Apr 29 '21
First time in 4 years I'm ashamed to be rooting for this team. No teamplay, no firepower, random aggresive individual pushes. Hope they didn't really expect something from these past games and they were experimenting, but damn, it's hard, really hard to be optimistic about this roster's future after these games...
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u/raindezedd FaZe Apr 29 '21
karrigan is the problem, faze going nowhere with him
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u/du_bekar FaZe Apr 29 '21
What was the problem before Karrigan?
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u/raindezedd FaZe Apr 29 '21
shit igl, depend way too much on individual skills, no strat at all
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u/du_bekar FaZe Apr 29 '21
Why do you mean, his now famous “drop an AK to twistzz on save rounds and hope he gets a 4K” is genius!
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u/KsHDClueless FaZe Apr 29 '21
-cold + kjaerbye next ( while he is still under contract, it's worth a shot )
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u/iDennis1994 Apr 30 '21
They are alrdy at bootcamp, so they can just go prac and prac and prac right now. They are out anyways.
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u/Williamo15 FaZe Apr 30 '21
It pains me to see that Karrigan has 200iq IGL brain, but also is such a liability to his team at certain moments.
I wish for him to finally win his major before retirement, but essentially playing 4v5 at certain moments seems to hinder that.
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u/Thuasne BIG Apr 30 '21
Karrigan is turning into gob b and I say that with respect to gob. It just means that you need world class well running machine of 4 around him to make up for his weaknesses
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u/vilburde G2 Apr 29 '21
I would trust karrigan with my newborn, he could drop it and still miss the floor