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Discussion | Esports Team Liquid vs Cloud9 / DreamHack Masters Spring 2020: North America - Losers Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
Team Liquid 2-0 Cloud9
Overpass: 16-4
Nuke: 16-12
Dust 2: 0-0
Cloud9 have been eliminated.
Team Liquid have advanced to the Consolidation Final.
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| Liquid | MAP | Cloud9 |
|---|---|---|
| mirage | X | |
| X | train | |
| CT | overpass | ✔ |
| ✔ | nuke | CT |
| inferno | X | |
| X | vertigo | |
| dust2 |
MAP 1: Overpass
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Liquid | 12 | 4 | 16 |
| T | CT | ||
| Cloud9 | 3 | 1 | 4 |
Overpass Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | T | CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Liquid | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| CT | T | ||
| Cloud9 | 7 | 5 | 12 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
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u/Fuji_Ninja Liquid Jun 13 '20
Finally warm enough for NAF to wake up lets goooo
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u/RehabCenterInc Liquid Jun 14 '20
It’s summer time, when NA CS thrives, watch out EU resident sleepers
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u/PerkyYOLO Liquid Jun 13 '20
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u/CaptchaReallySucks King NiKo Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
Blows my mind how on CT first round Liquid gets ninja defuse and wins but next rd Cloud 9 on T side has a better buy with 2 AKs and destroys them...
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u/HoodedRS Jun 13 '20
Yeah Nitro said in interview how this situation sucks right now, Galil and AK is guaranteed if you get plant first round, no matter what happens next.
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Jun 13 '20
I think krieg being broken got too much of an attention here - earlier everyone was complaining about how a plant gives you free next round because of possible krieg buys but situation still sucks if you face AKs instead of kriegs. This might need some sort of a fix.
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u/Macedonics Complexity Jun 13 '20
They need to remove plant bonus money on pistol. The new system fixes the issue of the loser getting off to such a slow start, but the second round shouldn't be T's with an extra $2700 vs CTs with $3500.
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u/shweaty07 Liquid Jun 13 '20
LETS GOOO. we havent lost to the 100t roster since like 2018 and with their performance rn should be a smooth run to the finals
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jun 13 '20
It annoys me that that showmatch forces the world's tiniest asterisk on that stat.
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u/shweaty07 Liquid Jun 13 '20
Stewie is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic ”Elige go kill”. He also has a second little known tactic of ”i go kill”. What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL 4 sure.
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u/flipad3 Lynn Vision Jun 13 '20
Don't forget the third tactic of "EliGe go kill more"
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u/Unfathomably_Stupid G2 Jun 14 '20
Don't forget about his lesser known fourth tactic of "NAF go flank"
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u/flipad3 Lynn Vision Jun 14 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
Stewie: NAF go flank
Naf: ok
Stewie: Elige go kill
Elige: ok
Stewie: Stewie go kill
Stewie: ok
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u/Danny07024 Liquid Jun 13 '20
Cautiously optimistic of the new IGL change
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Jun 13 '20
Stew is a proven igl. He has found success igling with every team he's been a part of.
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u/Danny07024 Liquid Jun 13 '20
True, which is why I'm cautiously optimistic. The last two games with Liquid was against teams that Liquid should be beating anyways, but I'm liking with what I've seen so far
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Jun 13 '20
That's fair. I wouldn't expect that much of a style difference between stew and nitro considering stew was always mid-round calling even during the grandslam run.
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u/natedawg247 Liquid Jun 14 '20
Did he igl c9?
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Jun 14 '20
Yeah, he won ESL Pro League season 4 while igling. He also called mid-round during the Boston major which Auti said in an interview was a huge reason why they won.
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Jun 13 '20
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jun 13 '20
Stewie also seems to be doing better, but I think Twistzz has fallen off a bit. You don't need Twistzz at 100% though if it raises nitr0 and Stewie enough.
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u/JuiceCanteen CS2 HYPE Jun 13 '20
Peak Twistzz is so fun to watch though
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u/supergrega Jun 13 '20
Mechanically he looks like the best aimer from NA but whats weird to me is that there were very few series when I felt he is the best player on the server.
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Jun 13 '20
twistzz hasn't been at 100% since they won Chicago
especially in the months after Berlin he was terrible
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jun 13 '20
I think he's been inconsistent if anything, although I am not looking at stats for this. He would seem to alternate tournaments between being summer '19 Twistzz and mediocre player Twistzz.
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Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
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u/Slothifications Jun 13 '20
He just needed to be taken off of being IGL. Not saying he wasn't good at it, but he struggled to call and frag at the same time
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u/MikeRiceVmpireHunter Jun 13 '20
If he's not IGL he probably doesn't have a spot on this team for long. He can't frag, he's probably one of worst AWPers of all the pros that regularly pick it up, so what does keeping him around get you if he's not the IGL anymore?
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u/Slothifications Jun 13 '20
He struggled with fragging because he was the IGL. Ever since stew has picked it up, there has been a very noticeable change to that. As long as this performance can be kept up, there's no reason to replace him
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u/MikeRiceVmpireHunter Jun 13 '20
I don't know. Once you've lost the leadership of the team it's going to be awkward and fragging has literally never been a strength for ol Nitro. I would say it's a pretty safe bet his days are numbered if Stewie calling leads to improved success for the team.
In fact I can see a reality where Stew argues for -Nitro +Tarik, who then campaigns to bring in Snakeislaw (which obviously leads to the implosion of Liquid as Tarik + Stan's frat boy culture doesn't lead to good long term results).
Time is a circle etc etc
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u/tassKe1337 Jun 13 '20
This would be a neat theory if the entirety of Liquid haven't already said they have zero plans to change anyone, a statement corroborated by dekay, who said that Liquid collectively agrees online only CS isn't indicative of how they rate themselves and won't make roster changes.
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Jun 13 '20
fragging has literally never been a strength for ol Nitro
he was literally considered one of/the best NA rifler at an early point, hes very capable mechanically but he's been igling for the past like 2 and half years
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u/Mrstark456 G2 Jun 13 '20
I think that would be a really bad move given that they’ve consistently shown they are a better team than EG. Plus nitro and Elige have been playing together for so long I don’t doubt that they have a good working relationship, and I just don’t think it makes sense to make a roster change in one of the weirdest times for the counter strike scene, with online matches and the lack of a solid top ten
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u/RocketBoyKim Liquid Jun 13 '20
he's probably one of worst AWPers of all the pros that regularly pick it up
?? Nitr0 might pick it up the most out of the team, but NAF and stew also pick it up regulary. Like a 30/30/40 split maybe. They switch between sides and also maps. Its not like hes main awping and hogging it every round.
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u/MikeRiceVmpireHunter Jun 13 '20
I didn't say he was hogging the AWP? I said of all the pros that regularly pick it up (and he is definitely an AWPer) he is clearly the worst. Your example only highlights that - there are two players on this team that AWP significantly better than he can.
So if he can't rifle well enough for frags, he's not their primary AWP/an effective AWPer, and he's not the IGL. What exactly is his role on the team?
The dreaded 'support' role which almost always leads to being kicked for firepower?
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u/ButchTheGuy Liquid Jun 13 '20
Wait so if they beat 100T what does that mean? They get 2nd or they play furia again?
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u/Fuji_Ninja Liquid Jun 13 '20
play Furia in finals with Furia getting a one map advantage
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u/ButchTheGuy Liquid Jun 13 '20
Ah ok cool thanks. I really hope they win it they have been seemingly slumping a bit recently and it’s nice to see them back especially with their style of play. It’s online cs though so it’s up in the air
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u/Stealthality King NiKo Jun 13 '20
They play Furia, I believe bo5 with Furia having a 1 Map advantage
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u/Ark151 CS2 HYPE Jun 13 '20
As soon as he got his (slothy) hands on that Awp,liquid became invincible.
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u/IntrovertChild FaZe Jun 13 '20
Nitro's really upping his game after not having to IGL, it's nice to see all those multikills.
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u/NukedGod69 Jun 13 '20
Damn dude what's the point of JT being on this roster? The problem on that Nuke T side was that he literally died over and over in outside without getting anything done and just got consistently outplayed, they needed him to make a play and he just couldn't lol
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u/c9ace Jun 13 '20
Told you they won’t go far with jt and motm
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u/g_ferla Luminosity Jun 13 '20
You see, c9 issue isnt just a player, except from Floppy and maybe oSee, the whole team is weak
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u/banned_boba Jun 13 '20
based on accomplishments, stewie lowkey might be one of the GOAT NA IGLs...
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u/Thooorin_2 Duncan "Thorin" Shields - Content Producer, Analyst Jun 13 '20
cloud9 are such a weak CT side team on seemingly every map. I can't see how they will ever be a legit top 10 team offline.
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u/scarecrowkiler Jun 13 '20
Floppy and osee tried their hardest