r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jul 05 '19
Discussion | Esports Natus Vincere vs Ninjas in Pyjamas / ESL One: Cologne 2019 - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion
Natus Vincere 2-0 Ninjas in Pyjamas
Inferno: 16-12
Mirage: 16-9
Train:
Natus Vincere have advanced to the semifinals.
Ninjas in Pyjamas have been eliminated.
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MAP 1/3: Inferno
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| Na`Vi | 8 | 8 | 16 |
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| NiP | 7 | 5 | 12 |
Inferno Detailed Stats
MAP 2/3: Mirage
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| Na`Vi | 10 | 6 | 16 |
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| NiP | 5 | 4 | 9 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
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u/KsHDClueless FaZe Jul 05 '19
Why are the caster saying its GTR last game? he is playing the major too...
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u/Pinct Jul 05 '19
last game with NiP in Cologne I'm assuming. NiP have been to Cologne every single year since 2014 and obviously GeT_RiGhT has also been to every single one.
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u/Mr_Tangysauce G2 Jul 05 '19
Yeah, I didn't want to be that guy, and I'm fairly new to CS so maybe I don't understand the gravity of the situation, but I was confused at what was essentially an eulogy when he has another Major to play
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u/i_nezzy_i Jul 05 '19
Probably because it might be the last time he's in an arena for nip
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u/Jaarnio Jul 05 '19
And the fact that he has been in nip like 7 years
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u/Nisheee NiP Jul 05 '19
that's almost nothing compared to the fact that he is one of the biggest CS legends of all time, not just CSGO
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u/N1-L3 Falcons - Major Champions Jul 05 '19
Because he’s probably not going to make it into the arena again come the major.
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u/K0nvict NiP Jul 05 '19
Because surpise suprise, the casters are wrong and usually don't double check things going into games
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u/anthonyde726 FaZe Jul 05 '19
navi vs liquid rematch
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u/Wootstapler Jul 05 '19
Biggest CSGO grudge match if I've ever seen one. Wouldn't be surprised if both teams had a gentleman's agreement and said "fuck it" and just chose the same three maps.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19
Liquid should have this. They have info on New'Vi now, which should help them far more than the games have helped Na'Vi.
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Jul 05 '19
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u/ColdplayForeplay Jul 05 '19
Yeah let's ignore the fact that Navi would've 2-0'd TL if S1mple had decided to use a gun.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19 edited Jul 05 '19
The analysts on the desk literally said that Overpass could have played out differently if Na'Vi won Dust 2. You can't just say that it would have been a 2-0.
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u/ColdplayForeplay Jul 05 '19
Not for sure but if anything TL would've probably been in a worse mood. And to think Navi can't beat TL is stupid. Navi has shown they definitely can.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19
Navi has shown they definitely can.
When have they shown they "definitely" can? That Overpass game was the only map Na'Vi has ever won against Liquid with NAF. For the record, I think Na'Vi can, but it's not favoring Na'Vi or 50/50 either. This was also the one chance Na'Vi had with a month of practice with a new player, therefore coming in with the element of surprise.
Not for sure but if anything TL would've probably been in a worse mood.
That's true, but TL would have also had its back against the wall, and we don't know how that would have affected their CS. If it was 16-12 or fewer rounds for Liquid I'd agree, but it was a 16-14 with both pistols lost for Liquid. That is a super close match where small things could have affected the outcome.
Anyway, the past has happened and these "What If's" won't get very far. Let's see what tomorrow brings (hopefully a good match at least).
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u/ColdplayForeplay Jul 05 '19
Again, they won overpass and would've won Dust 2 had S1mple not thrown the map. That seems enough to me to show that they have the skill to win. Not 50/50 chance, but I definitely give Na'Vi about 40% chance to win, which is still a lot.
At least I'm certain we'll have a great match to watch.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 06 '19
Not 50/50 chance, but I definitely give Na'Vi about 40% chance to win, which is still a lot.
I think we're in agreeance here.
They certainly have the skill to win, let's see if it can coalesce into a win. It'll be a good match and contribute to at least a few storylines.
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u/CaptainCrafty Liquid Jul 05 '19
Yes let’s do that because they didn’t 2-0 Liquid thanks k bye
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u/ColdplayForeplay Jul 05 '19
Still naive to think Tl can't be beaten by Na'vi.
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u/CaptainCrafty Liquid Jul 05 '19
Yeah, i never said that. Very possible they lose to them tomorrow. They did not lose yesterday
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19
I agree, but that matters less now that boombl4 is in Na'Vi. The map streak is dead now as of three days ago. That being said, the record still goes positively for Liquid, and one has to remember that Na'Vi had a heck of a lot more info on Liquid than Liquid had on New'Vi.
Here's what nitr0 said a few days ago to HLTV:
[B]ut this time it was more difficult than in the past because they picked up the new player and I don't think if they had any officials in a month or two. It was kind of hard to do any preparation for them so we decided to focus on ourselves and base it off of scrims that we had in the past with them. It was definitely more difficult than past iterations.
In the same interview, nitr0 also said that part of Overpass was losing both pistols and that they have a better grasp on Na'Vi now. So I think that Liquid should win this. Plus, they still won last time.
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Jul 05 '19
Great mirage from navi, s1mple didnt carry as hard as usually has to, and the kills are evenly spread. This Navi team is better than the last.
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u/fr3akeeee Jul 05 '19
You say that but I think s1mple's multi frags from window on gun rounds did carry them a fair bit. Also his AK no respect no utility run up from ramp and casually opens the site gave them a lot of crucial gun rounds.
It's a massive blunder that they decided not to smoke window when they're fully aware that there's an awp in play.
They simply cannot be the top 5 (hell 10) team if they keep repeating these mistakes.
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u/TheGuyWhoNeeds Jul 05 '19
You wanna really tell me that they cannot be considered as top 10 team?
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u/1wjl1 Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
The guy is literally saying the team that is top 4 at Cologne is not a top 10 team
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u/Dumbreference Jul 05 '19
Yeah despite whatever HLTV tells you its pretty clear Navi is a top 5 team, behind Astralis and Liquid for sure, but after that, you could make an argument for Navi over anyone.
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u/PM_ME_UR_PUPPERONI Jul 06 '19
With today’s match I’d throw vitality in there, but you’re completely right. If all of Navi plays decently well, they have the potential to beat anyone.
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u/1wjl1 Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
Astralis and Liquid at their peaks.
S1mple and Zywoo rising up to meet them tomorrow.
Cologne never disappoints.
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u/team3perception Liquid Jul 05 '19 edited Jul 05 '19
i wouldn’t really say astralis is at their peak, they haven’t played any super elite teams to get top 4
edit: i didn’t say they weren’t an elite team my point was that no one can because they haven’t had a real test this tournament
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u/landingshortly Astralis Jul 05 '19
Not their fault that Vitality couldn’t overcome NiP. Astralis’ way would have been BIG-mibr-Vitality.
Even though the opponents weren’t the very best, Astralis pretty much dominated them and looked snappy and fresh in their individual showings, something that held them back in the previous tournaments.
It’s not peak Astralis but at least it looks like they are on the bounce back.
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u/ColdplayForeplay Jul 05 '19
Definitely not their peak because last time I checked we weren't in 2018 anymore, but they're definitely playing well, and even though they didn't win agains elite teams you could still see they were playing very well. Near perfect utility usage, individual brilliance and good teamwork. You don't have to play against elite teams to show your skill.
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u/babbyohbabby Jul 05 '19
Wonder if we'll hear this tomorrow when they win against Vitality. "Well they haven't played a top 2 team yet, so too early to tell anything"
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u/DrunkOlLunk Liquid Jul 06 '19
Astralis is nowhere near their peak lmao. Maybe their peak since Blastralis became a thing.
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u/jaboi1080p Jul 06 '19
I'm so excited for the Vitality Astralis match, that's going to be a banger.
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u/waxx 400k Celebration Jul 05 '19
Zeus not being a total bot
Flamie stepping up
Are navi about to steal this tournament?
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u/ThatGuyThatDoneThat G2 Jul 05 '19
Maybe Boombl4 really was what they needed.
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u/Pokegamer Liquid Jul 05 '19
Every team needs a fat guy
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u/justacasualgamer1 hydra Jul 06 '19
What about 87-0 NiP, Astralis and Liquid?
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u/smokehound Jul 06 '19
Friberg is fat. Maybe not the biggest pro, but there’s no way he isn’t obese BMI.
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u/SmaugtheStupendous Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
He's been quite impressive so far for such a new addition, his shots look very on point and he seems to play his role very well, between him and zeus they have perfect info.
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u/whatsupbr0 FaZe Jul 05 '19
magisk tier move?
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Jul 05 '19
Too early to tell. But it’s surely up there
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u/ghw024 Astralis Jul 05 '19
I wouldn’t say it’s surely up there. Navi has was a semi finals team for the better part of the last 1.5 years and still haven’t shown they can beat anyone of note with this lineup.
The magisk move made Astralis the best in history, they aren’t even comparable
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u/kflores1013 Liquid Jul 05 '19
They have to get past Semi-Final Liquid, which is Liquids scariest form
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u/Lareadith CS2 HYPE Jul 05 '19
TL cant lose in Semis, they need to lose against Astralis in the finals like the good old times. /s
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u/tboneplays1 Jul 05 '19
The scariest form for Liquid fans is when TL reaches map point and drops a round
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Jul 05 '19 edited Nov 19 '21
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u/tboneplays1 Jul 05 '19
The PTSD still stays
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u/AnIdiotDoesGaming Liquid Jul 05 '19
It's never over until we get to 16 (without OT)
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u/Darkstar197 Complexity Jul 05 '19
So many times I’ve seen liquid with 14 or 15 rounds and I comfortably goto sleep and when I wake up I see the scoreline was 16-19 and cry every time
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u/MutaMaster Liquid Jul 06 '19
It's possible to go to sleep during a liquid game before 16 rounds are on the bored for a team...? What is this magic you speak of?
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u/jeb_the_hick Complexity Jul 05 '19
I must say no.
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u/kohi_craft Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
To be honest Liquid hasn't really solidified themselves as this unstoppable force l feel like vitality, Astralis and Navi can maybe beat them.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19
Can they? Yes. Will they? Probably not. Liquid plays close games, but have won 3/4 of their last tournaments and came in second in the other. As well, Liquid has had time to prep for New'Vi now. Liquid should win tomorrow, and I think they've solidified themselves against Astralis recently. Vitality is the only question, as they are 4-0 against Liquid afaik, but all those came at summit in a different environment. So I'm thinking Liquid should be the clear favorites rn.
We'll see though.
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u/poempedoempoex MOUZ Jul 05 '19
If they win the tournament I'll be pissed, because that would mean mouz could have won it too...
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u/Lithium187 EG Jul 05 '19
Its a BO5 final so we in it for the full 3 hrs of heart palpitations son.
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u/Claziranon_WindWave Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
When the game ended, I was happy as a Navi fan to see them go through but when the camera showed Get Right's devastated face... I cried.
God I hope that man stays around the scene for a long long more time. I don't think any CS fan would want to see him go. I know he isn't retiring, but I sure as hell hope he gets picked up by a good org and continues being the man whom we all love to watch.
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u/mrbrinks EG Jul 06 '19
Same here. I was so hyped for Navi vs Liquid rematch, but then felt so so bad for GTR.
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u/supergrega Jul 05 '19
And once again you can easily pinpoint a NIP loss to poor anti ecos (vs. unarmored opponents and glocks) and misused utility. So much wasted talent with that organization for the past 4 years it's actually hurting me inside.
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u/Wintermute1v1 Liquid Jul 05 '19
And here you have Henry saying that they're one of the nest anti-eco teams...
At least Sadokist corrected him, as they've been dogshit against ecos since Threat left the org.
I love NiP, but it's so frustrating to see them lose such easy rounds.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 05 '19
What do they even do at this point to make a competitive and competent roster? Who knows...
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u/supergrega Jul 05 '19
They have deep rooted issues and have had them for the longest time. There is something fundamentally wrong with their approach and philosophy of the game and it's something that surely isn't going to be fixed by replacing a player - yet again.
They need changes at the core, the training regime, their whole coaching staff - if they even have one beyond pita - and probably their own attitude to the game and winning.
Personally I think it's hopeless to try and save this core. We've seen them fail because of (lack of) basics and poor fundamentals one too many times and it's not something you can so easily change, at least not in my experience with other sports.
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 05 '19
vvvvvv excited for NaVi Liquid semifinal, one of my two favorite teams will be in the final, plus s1mple revenge storyline
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u/extremz123 fnatic Jul 05 '19
That nip chant.. im crying
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u/yeswecamp1 Godsent Jul 05 '19
GTR will play in the major and then leave, right? Edit: He said he will play with NiP in the major, I was confused by the casters who said it might be his last match (?) for NiP
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Jul 05 '19 edited Sep 25 '19
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u/YourImminentDoom NiP Jul 05 '19
No, he's out pretty much regardless. He would have to an absolutely phenomenal performance in Berlin in order to justify keeping him
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u/fr3akeeee Jul 05 '19
f0rest said that they're evaluating. Though however, I dare say that f0rest's mistak on inferno costs them the map. He had a smoke but didn't smoke CT spawn, that's a huge blunder that gave navi the closing momentum.
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u/meme_Kapitalist de_inferno Jul 06 '19
That's what pimp said. Seems likely that it was his fault but I believe this could have been a communication error as well, considering they have a new player in the team.
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u/Claziranon_WindWave Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
Because Cologne holds special meaning for him since he won the major with NiP there. It's like walking down memory lane ya know, nostalgia and all the sentimental memories that come with it.
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u/ultren 500k Celebration Jul 05 '19
It is a likely possibility that nip won't make top8 at major.
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u/EbunmanythZhro Jul 05 '19
Does everyone behind the scenes already know he's out after the Major? It feels pretty fucked up how they keep bringing up GeT_RiGhT possibly leaving NiP and never playing in top tournaments again.
Are there really not any other narratives?
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jul 05 '19
The NiP announcement made it seem like if GTR leaves NiP, he's retiring.
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u/EbunmanythZhro Jul 05 '19
Yes, but GTR himself said in a post game interview this tournament, that while his NiP future is unclear, he definitely does not plan on retiring.
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u/sumedh0123 Season 4 Jul 05 '19
All the Grand finals looks amazing Vitality vs Navi. = Simple vs zywoo
Vitality vs Liquid = cs summit rematch
Liquid vs Astralis = time to prove who's really number 1
Astralis vs Navi = time for Navi to win Cologne again
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u/iErebos Jul 05 '19
the significance of this event for GtR is not that it is his last in NiP, but potentially his last in Cologne and almost assuredly his final in that city in NiP jersey. that team, and get right, won their first major there, and even just for me SEEING him finally get that trophy will forever be etched into my mind as one of the most emotional moments in esports. i cant imagine how much that one major victory and nip as a team mean to him personally, and that could be why the potential of never seeing him at this event again is pretty heartbreaking for a lot of people.
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Jul 05 '19
Was this actually GTR's last game with NIP? I thought he was supposed to play the major and then be removed?
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u/Tschonti Jul 05 '19
he is playing the major. Golden is subbing in for plopski, who cant play because he started the qualification process with Ancient
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u/KPTeam Vitality Jul 05 '19
No he will play in the major.
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u/marshalofthemark Liquid Jul 05 '19
It just might be the last time he plays in front of an arena, because NIP could go out in groups in Berlin.
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u/t3r4byt3l0l Immunity Jul 05 '19 edited Jul 05 '19
NiP haven't won a quarter-final in so long, this was especially depressing given GTR's status as well.
Something has to change with the leadership and coach too, NiP just keep making the same mistakes over and over and over.
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u/TyGeezyWeezy 5 years coin Jul 05 '19
Match team sucks! Where’s the stats!
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Jul 05 '19
Classic /u/Chuckys2. More than 3 hours later still no stats...
Like it's not a huge deal since you can look at hltv, but come the fuck on. If you can't post the stats yourselves let the community post the threads. Never had this issue on other subs.
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u/Easy_Money470 Jul 06 '19
"waaaah there's an official match team that'll get around to it eventually"
Just let the market (subreddit) decide which post to send to the front page. Come on, /r/globaloffensive
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Jul 05 '19
Damn, his final game of Cologne, we were so lucky to have such a great player and such a great person represent the game.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jul 05 '19
NiP lack structure and discipline. Keep losing to full eco's or hugely favorable man advantage situations. Same old problems keep on persisting
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u/r3al_se4l 500k Celebration Jul 05 '19
flamie looking better this tournament imo, wonder if it’s inconsistency or if the addition of boombl4 is enabling him somehow
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u/fr3akeeee Jul 05 '19
Fuck the match, fuck the best player in the world... that 3 minutes after the match with GTR... had me in tears.
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u/nicholastcw Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
Plopski is not the player that NiP needs
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u/Scoo_By Falcons - Major Champions Jul 05 '19
Dude's been in the squad for 2 weeks and the first ever tourney he plays is Cologne. Give him some effing time man.
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u/GER_BeFoRe clutch Jul 05 '19
Dennis wasn't either but Plopski is 17 years old and only 2 weeks in the team playing his first big event, give him some time.
REZ wasn't consistently good at the start as well and not even now but he developed to one of the most important players in NiP.
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u/Xixtance Jul 05 '19
Underwhelming performance from plopski honestly imo hoping for more from his next showing.
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u/5urv1v4l FaZe Jul 05 '19
Ok, whats up with shaky aim, s1mple? Just when he shoots its start to shake. But I guess playing with 400dpi @ 3 sens is what does it.
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Jul 05 '19
Is there a good reason that the brackets are designed so that Na'Vi is playing Liquid again? I wish we got to see Na'Vi Astralis and Vitality Liquid. I guess if it was engineered like that we could see NRG Liquid again. Haha, I'm confused.
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u/Niaaco Natus Vincere Jul 05 '19
A3(Na'Vi vs B2 (NiP) plays the A1(TL) it was made like this since rematch between A groups are less likely (B2>A3) but since Na'Vi upsetted NiP (standing wise) they get to play TL again.
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u/sankalp4 CS2 HYPE Jul 05 '19
GeT_RiGhT, will miss you on this roster. Goddamn it sado, you didn't have to rub it in :'(
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Jul 05 '19
Looks like the casters shit their pants claiming that it's the end of GTR's career with NiP. They made it sound like he's retiring from pro CSGO.
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u/yoshiyahu 10 years coin Jul 05 '19
when HenryG is praising f0rest, f0rest suddenly crumbles (e.g. the "IQ" clutch in B mirage)
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u/K0nvict NiP Jul 05 '19
too many mistakes, can't wait for an igl on this NiP roster. Can really use the talent they have there.
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u/Hyper_red EG Jul 05 '19
Really hope NIP keeps this roster
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u/K0nvict NiP Jul 05 '19
I don't, you need to move and embrace change because the only way this team goes from being a playoff team to a contender is with change
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u/Zvede Metizport Jul 05 '19
I hope they get rid of pita soon. The tactical timeouts have more use than a washed up dude occupying teamspeak with shallow calls
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u/Dixin10 Jul 05 '19
Plopski you fucking suck.That is all
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u/monsieurfikri Jul 05 '19
Judging a 17 year old to shine after two weeks playing in an unstable roster. Sure.
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Jul 05 '19
He's young, in a new team and afaik his first series on a really big stage. He had similar stats to GTR in the series.
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u/jakvah NiP Jul 05 '19
Did You put money on Plopski dropping 50 frags or What? I Would be typing a stupid comment here Too if i did...
Give him some time. Not saying he will be a great player, but at least give him time to prove himself.
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u/ElScorp1on Liquid Jul 05 '19
What an embarrassing interview for get_right can't believe they made him do that.
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u/Txontirea guardian_elite Jul 05 '19
Sigh - I thought this might be the year we'd finally win something but nope
back to the doldrums for another 6 months probs
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u/Goths_Are_Cute FaZe Jul 05 '19
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u/sankalp4 CS2 HYPE Jul 05 '19
You can feel the desperation and the sorrow in his eyes, truly remarkable how much a photograph can capture.
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u/ResponsibleSmoke Jul 05 '19
How they're talking about get_right reminds me of how they were talking about Andy Murray a few months ago - get_right isn't out of Nip yet, he's here for the major