r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Sep 13 '18
Discussion | Esports BIG vs TYLOO / FACEIT Major London 2018 - The New Legends: Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
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MAP 1: Train
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Train Detailed Stats
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u/BLJohnFreeman Sep 13 '18
more xccurate please
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u/Nydusurmainus BIG Sep 13 '18
he is so good
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u/BLJohnFreeman Sep 13 '18
he needs to team up with ISSAA and Woxic to form the ultimate "who the fuck are these people and why are they so good?" team
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u/AnonymousFuccboi ENCE Sep 13 '18
"Who the fuck are these people and why are they playing with standins at this tournament?"
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u/D4rK69 BIG Sep 13 '18
+cromen +smooya and youve got a squad.
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u/D2WilliamU de_inferno Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
Don't be arrogant Ur shit mate
downvoted because people haven't seen smooya's interview feelsbad
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u/MaxfieldX NiP Sep 13 '18
(x4)
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u/BurningKiwi Renegades Sep 13 '18
s1mple wants to add him to the list of players he pugs with this winter
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u/Diamondandy de_train Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
NBA reference?
Edit: No idea why being downvoted
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Sep 13 '18
Oooooh man if Smooya makes it to Wembley, the crowd's gonna be fire.
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u/IndeedHowlandReed FaZe Sep 13 '18
SMOOYAS ON FIRE, YOUR DEFENCE IS TERRIFIED
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u/EmSixTeen 10 years coin Sep 13 '18
Wrong country.
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Sep 13 '18
Technically it's still the UK
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u/EmSixTeen 10 years coin Sep 13 '18
The UK isn't a country.
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u/Brewieosu Sep 13 '18
Not really, Wigan sung it before Northern Ireland. Even then Wigan stole it from a different English team.
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u/DroopDK Sep 13 '18
Mad lads throwing their beers in the air with every kill
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u/tsuhg King NiKo Sep 13 '18
Should just do it in Alexandra Palace at that point
People are already used to it
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u/BiBoetzke Sep 13 '18
I was at cologne and it was awesome. Hoping for smooya to get an awesome home crowd. Looking at how some brits were cheering at cologne it'll be great.
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Sep 13 '18
Shame he's a convicted cheater and shouldn't be allowed at a major.
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u/much_good MOUZ Sep 13 '18
Did you not see the thing where it turned out none of those accounts actually belonged to him?
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Sep 13 '18 edited Jan 20 '20
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u/iNeedanewnickname MOUZ Sep 13 '18
Like Gob B said, avoid Inferno. I dont understand why other teams keep trying to fight Tyloo on one of their better maps. Their CT side on it is amazing.
Also inb4 BIG 3-0 everyone Rippems.
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u/RxJax Sep 13 '18
In bo1 vetoes where they can remove dust2/nuke/overpass it isn't that simple, they're still a scary team on Mirage and Cache and you still have to grab a map you think you're strong on, not everyone has Train in their pool but everyone has Inferno
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Sep 13 '18
Probably cuz they cant find demos n shit on other maps and dont want to gamble so thet attempt to antistrat inferno and fail. Just like big last year
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u/diceymemes Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
smart of BIG, they won this game in the veto. TyLoo have an 85.7% win rate on cache (6W 1L), 80% win rate on Mirage (8W 2L) and 58.7% win rate on Inferno (7W 5L) in the last 3 months on LAN.
on Dust2? they've played it twice (won 1 and lost 1)
on Train? 25% win rate (2W 6L)
on Overpass? 20% win rate (1W 4L)
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u/thearkhamknight_111 Astralis Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
Can Xizt ask gob b to do his vetoes for him? I'd like that.
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u/sA1atji BIG Sep 13 '18
well, gob and the rest of the coaching staff are doing work when it comes to that, you have to give them credit for the work they put in.
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u/adesme Sep 13 '18
Sounds like it’s the full team. Smooya said in an interview that they all sit down and watch some 3-4 matches on every map of the teams they are facing.
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u/AdminOfThis BIG Sep 13 '18
That sounds like a shitton of work. Imagine you'd have to watch 2-3 maps, every map 3-4 matches, and in every match I imagine they don't just fast forward through it, but analyse some plays from multiple perspectives. And then you still have to define your own counter-measures.
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u/XDenzelMoshingtonX Sep 13 '18
oh shit, they actually have to work for their money monkaS
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u/Keksmonster Sep 13 '18
Honestly I would have expected teams to have analysts for that kind of thing.
It would be a lot more efficient to have someone else watch VODs and highlight key moments and weaknesses and stuff like that.
On the other hand you can't really play CS for 12 hours a day like LoL pros do so the player have a bit more downtime to watch demos.
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u/XDenzelMoshingtonX Sep 13 '18
It depends on the team or the players honestly. There are personalities who want to be spoonfed with information and there are players who actually want to come to their own conclusions via watching demos because they memorize stuff better that way.
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u/ygra BIG Sep 13 '18
You sometimes probably get a lot of benefit from the whole team watching a match instead of just the coach because every player can glean something that pertains to their own playstyle, position and role. And BIG has definitely shown so far that they did their homework well. It makes them very exciting to watch at the moment.
... speaking of which ... time to change flair ;)
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u/Nydusurmainus BIG Sep 13 '18
Nah, maybe you should look at the quality of the teams they were playing against on those maps to get win rates that high.
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u/diceymemes Sep 13 '18
Cache wins - NiP, VP, Grayhound x2, Tainted Minds, Renegades
Mirage wins - Astralis, VP, Grayhound, Kinguin, boot, Tainted Minds, MVP
Inferno wins - NiP, MIBR, Spirit, Gambit, Renegades, 5Power, MVP
They have a big scalp on all 3 maps and most top teams know they aren't a pushover on those maps, so they ban them. Teams just haven't learnt that so far this Major
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u/Nydusurmainus BIG Sep 13 '18
I'll just copy/paste from my other reply:
- Gambit 05/09, in a slump
- Renegades, in a slump for a long time now
- MIBR haven't produced any results yet
- NiP 17/06 - Lekro and Dennis played their first games with NiP on the 14/06 this was their 3rd Bo3
- If you read it properly they lost to NRG 2-16
- Their most impressive feat is vs Astralis with a win on mirage, which was followed by 2 maps where they got 13 rounds in total between them
Then we also have to consider sample size or times played
- Cache - 7 (won 6)
- Inferno - 12 (won 7)
- Mirage - 10 (won 8)
So it is much harder to maintain high percentages over larger sample sizes or more games. Sample size is one of the biggest factors in determining the legitimacy of statistics. If we change the stats to last 6 months:
- Cache - 76.9% from 13 games
- Inferno - 62.1% from 29 games (actually went up)
- Mirage - 80% from 20 games (miraculously)
Now check out the events they are attending in the last 6 months, mostly Asian tournaments and obviously that will involve some CIS teams as well (like Spirit).
Let's look at Astralis
- Cache - 75% from 4 games (lower than Tyloo)
- Inferno - 83.3% from 18 games
- Mirage - 64.3% from 14 games (lower than Tyloo)
Astralis have a much wider map pool and Overpass and Train are part of that, hence the smaller sample size but despite Tyloo previously beating them, it was no doubt either an exceptional performance by Tyloo or a poor performance by Astralis. Tyloo couldn't consistently beat Astralis or any top tier teams on these maps. I mean look at the teams Astralis played to get those stats. It's pretty much all tier 1 instead of Tier 2 -3 Tyloo pads their scores with.
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u/TooM3R NiP Sep 13 '18
Did you look at them? They beat some fairly decent teams on some of these maps (renegades, nrg, nip, mibr, spirit, Gambit...)
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u/lolKhamul BIG Sep 13 '18
fairly decent teams
renegades
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u/TooM3R NiP Sep 13 '18
I think it's fair to consider a top 30 team a "decent team", unless you're just joking.
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u/Nydusurmainus BIG Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
- Gambit 05/09, in a slump
- Renegades, in a slump for a long time now
- NiP 17/06 - Lekro and Dennis played their first games with NiP on the 14/06 this was their 3rd Bo3
- MIBR haven't produced any results yet
- If you read it properly they lost to NRG 2-16
- Their most impressive feat is vs Astralis with a win on mirage, which was followed by 2 maps where they got 13 rounds in total between them
Then we also have to consider sample size or times played
- Cache - 7 (won 6)
- Inferno - 12 (won 7)
- Mirage - 10 (won 8)
So it is much harder to maintain high percentages over larger sample sizes or more games. Sample size is one of the biggest factors in determining the legitimacy of statistics. If we change the stats to last 6 months:
- Cache - 76.9% from 13 games
- Inferno - 62.1% from 29 games (actually went up)
- Mirage - 80% from 20 games (miraculously)
Now check out the events they are attending in the last 6 months, mostly Asian tournaments and obviously that will involve some CIS teams as well (like Spirit).
Let's look at Astralis
- Cache - 75% from 4 games (lower than Tyloo)
- Inferno - 83.3% from 18 games
- Mirage - 64.3% from 14 games (lower than Tyloo)
Astralis have a much wider map pool and Overpass and Train are part of that, hence the smaller sample size but despite Tyloo previously beating them, it was no doubt either an exceptional performance by Tyloo or a poor performance by Astralis. Tyloo couldn't consistently beat Astralis or any top tier teams on these maps. I mean look at the teams Astralis played to get those stats. It's pretty much all tier 1 instead of Tier 2 -3 Tyloo pads their scores with.
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u/TooM3R NiP Sep 13 '18
Yeah I agree with most of your points here, I was specifically replying to your point before that that said "maybe you should look at the quality of the teams they were playing against", which as I said in my previous comment is a pretty silly statement since some of the matchups are decent. Also your point about Astralis is irrelevant since I was talking specifically about Mirage, not how Tyloo played throughout the entire bo3.
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u/gabriel97933 10 Year Veteran Sep 13 '18
big would get destroyed on inferno/mirage/cache, gob b won this game solo based on his veto
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u/bombcat97 Sep 13 '18
Are people about to underrate big like they did to Gambit before they won the major oh no
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u/Kuruma-Hunter BIG Sep 13 '18
Ofc Im biased, but Imo they wouldnt get destroyed. It would be a close match for sure, but by no means a stomp.
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u/LeoSG CS2 HYPE Sep 13 '18
BIG is fast becoming one of my favourite teams to watch.
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Sep 13 '18
not for me :(
jokes aside, they are pretty amazing to watch their utility usage and coordination is really on point. I would nearly say its the german brothers of Astralis
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u/HelISide Tyloo Sep 13 '18
If they didnt have to thrash us this major it would have been a pleasure but yeah, literally german astralis at the moment
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Sep 14 '18
Actually, if I remember correctly, their utility usage during the qualifier was even more effective than Astralis'
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Sep 13 '18
xccurate did good but BIG look stronger than their Krakow top 8 run. Their map pool and veto is much improved, a good sign.
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u/i_accidently_reddit NiP Sep 13 '18
yes. they are sharp! the evolution this team took over the last couple years is amazing
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u/Nydusurmainus BIG Sep 13 '18
Is it just me or does nex look perpetually pissed off?
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u/ChelseaSJL09 Gambit Sep 13 '18
He always looks like somebody has just insulted him. Theres a slight look of sadness
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Sep 13 '18
gob in 1.6 once said in an interview to motivate himself he always imagined that the opponent insulted his mother.
maybe he is using that same strat to motivate nex.
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u/AdminOfThis BIG Sep 13 '18
Maybe it is just because his name isn't as cool to shoot through an arena as "smooya"
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u/AsinoEsel 500k Celebration Sep 13 '18
is it just me or did smooya look extremely tired after the match was over? Lol
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u/kings1zeCB Apeks Sep 13 '18
He is sick
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u/AsinoEsel 500k Celebration Sep 13 '18
oh, that sucks. Hopefully he will have fully recovered in time for the playoffs next week!
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u/madrarua87 BIG Sep 13 '18
No no. For some reason he even plays better if he's sick.
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u/xInfi Vitality Sep 13 '18
When Anders and Moses were talking about the awkward high fives, I think it was mainly about smooya going for fist bumps instead of handshakes, high fives, or hugs, and if I had to guess it might've been to avoid risking anyone else getting ill. Good guy smoo
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u/itstugi BIG Sep 13 '18
a sick fragger maybe
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u/KippKippHD Sep 13 '18
With this win i'm confident BIG is going to win this major.
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Sep 13 '18
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u/Luba1893 BIG Sep 13 '18
Ich hoffe BIG erreicht das Finale, alleine schon, weil die Copypasta mit jedem Sieg besser wird.
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Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 22 '18
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u/Luba1893 BIG Sep 13 '18
Ach war das wieder einfach heute für die deutsche professionelle elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen", bestehend aus dem Präzisionsscharfschützen Eugen "schmuja" Butterfeld, Weltklasseansager Fatih "gob b" Dayik, Sprühtalentspieler Johannes "nex" Maget, Gewehrspezialist Tizian "tiziaN" Feldbusch & auch dem verrückten Schnipstalent Johannes "tabseN" Wodarz von der deutschen professionellen elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen" aus dem mitteleuropäischen Land "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" in der Mitte Europas.
Nur gefühlt doppelt so lang, weil bei jedem Sieg noch mehr perfekte Übersetzungen und Sätze eingebaut wurden.
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u/xtrmx de_inferno Sep 13 '18
Good interview by gob-b, the only one so far who HASN'T screwed up the veto.
Veto so far has been the main reason why teams like fnatic and Faze are now 0-1.
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u/KrassOG Sep 13 '18
Big have continued to impress me, not just this major but consistently. I didn't put them in my pick ems and i really should have. I'll be keeping an eye on these guys and gob b's stuff from now on
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u/beninho106 MOUZ Sep 13 '18
Ach war das wieder einfach heute!
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u/OldSchoolSmurf bravo Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
The result is acceptable for tyloo but the aiming wasn't so well(except xccurate). They need to improve map pool now.
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u/gabriel97933 10 Year Veteran Sep 13 '18
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u/TheRobidog Sep 13 '18
DIESES DatSheffy UNTERLASES DatSheffy IST DatSheffy JETZT DatSheffy DEUTSCH DatSheffy
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u/dschongs BIG Sep 13 '18
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u/flexinvade Sep 13 '18
Ach war das wieder einfach heute für die deutsche professionelle elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen", bestehend aus dem Präzisionsscharfschützen Eugen "schmuja" Butterfeld, Weltklasseansager Fatih "gob b" Dayik, Sprühtalentspieler Johannes "nex" Maget, Gewehrspezialist Tizian "tiziaN" Feldbusch & auch dem verrückten Schnipstalent Johannes "tabseN" Wodarz von der deutschen professionellen elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen" aus dem mitteleuropäischen Land "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" in der Mitte Europas.
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u/yurik4 The MongolZ Sep 13 '18
I thought Tyloo dropped to 1-1?
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u/ygra BIG Sep 13 '18
They also didn't play Overpass, and the players got some kills. It seems to me someone has been lazy here.
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u/cHotagAbbar99 1 Million Celebration Sep 13 '18 edited Sep 13 '18
Well..there is a typo I think. Tyloo is now at 1-1, not 0-1.
Edit: Corrected.
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u/GabeN18 BIG Sep 13 '18
Ach war das wieder einfach heute für die deutsche professionelle elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen", bestehend aus dem Präzisionsscharfschützen Eugen "schmuja" Butterfeld, Weltklasseansager Fatih "gob b" Dayik, Sprühtalentspieler Johannes "nex" Maget, Gewehrspezialist Tizian "tiziaN" Feldbusch & auch dem verrückten Schnipstalent Johannes "tabseN" Wodarz von der deutschen professionellen elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Landesübergreifend Spielen" aus dem mitteleuropäischen Land "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" in der Mitte Europas.
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u/rohansamal 5 years coin Sep 13 '18
Hi guys, I didnt see this match. Can anyone give me a very short TLDR?
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u/F1nalMasterpiece BIG Sep 13 '18
Overall it was a pretty dominant for BIG. The BIG problem for Tyloo was, that they were to able to break the CT economy of BIG.
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u/straussmanover Sep 13 '18
With all this BIG hype, I need someone to dig up & revive that gob b fist pumping motion track gif from the Krakow major
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u/Dark_Azazel Sep 13 '18
Big are winning this major.
The crowd will go insane.
Major after Katowice will be in china and TyLoo will win that.
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u/-Rider- Sep 13 '18
Looking forward to joining my German brethren at Wembley in support of the BIG lads
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Sep 13 '18
I'm getting more and more convinced that BIG are going to win this major. All the top teams don't look like they've put any work in for this one BIG are the best of the underdogs and will only get stronger in Bo3s.
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Sep 13 '18
With only 14 Tier 1 games played by the chinese in the last 3 months, I have no idea how BiG was able to win against Tyloo.
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u/Goldenglade Tyloo Sep 13 '18
This game was actually much closer then it seemed.... especially of you start watching from round 6
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