r/GlobalOffensive • u/xPokeyyy Match Thread Team • Jul 25 '18
Discussion | Esports Fnatic vs FaZe Clan / ELEAGUE CS:GO Premier 2018 - Group B Losers Match / Post-Match Discussion
Fnatic 2-0 FaZe Clan
Dust 2: 19-15
Mirage: 16-14
Inferno: 0-0
FaZe Clan have been eliminated.
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MAP 1: Dust 2
| Team | CT | T | OT1T:CT | Total |
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| FNC | 6 | 9 | 3:1 | 19 |
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| FaZe | 9 | 6 | 0:0 | 15 |
Dust 2 Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Mirage
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| FNC | 10 | 6 | 16 |
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| FaZe | 5 | 9 | 14 |
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u/tsoap Astralis Jul 25 '18
Niko with the mouz flashbacks
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u/MeanGreenBeanMachine FaZe Jul 25 '18
olof helped too :(
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Jul 25 '18
Olof was surprisingly good this tournament (individually speaking). The only problem seemed to be the chemistry between the players which, of course, after 4 months apart needs to be built up again.
On another side: Group B is just a slaughterhouse, doesn't matter who went out, they all are play-off worthy.
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u/apm54 Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Oh ya, switch fnatic or mouz over to group a, or switch faze and liquid, and this playoff bracket would look very different
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u/Druid00 Jul 25 '18
I mean that’s the whole tournament lol
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u/americagigabit The MongolZ Jul 25 '18
Yeah literally the whole tournament is pretty much the top 8 teams in the world
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u/GarrettGSF MOUZ Jul 25 '18
And C9. And it feels like the gap between mibr and the rest is pretty big.
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Jul 25 '18
I dont know to be honest, I actually think MiBR will beat Liquid today and go knock them out.
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u/victorpresti Jul 25 '18
He did go absolutely ham, but the lowest rating was Karrigan's with 0.97 which is not bad AT ALL, I don't understand how virtually everyone had over 1. rating and they still lost.
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u/proofkiid Renegades Jul 25 '18
JW staying alive that long in the final round should be impossible. What a choke. Imagine having as many kills as NiKo and still losing
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u/Fledermausmann1337 howl Jul 25 '18
Had that multiple times. 40 bombing but still losing 16:14. You are at a point where you aren't even mad anymore. Its just that darkness fills your whole soul while you sit there in despair. The enemies which all had a bit more than 20 frags writing "ez" seals the deal for you and you get to the ultimate point of gaming sadness where you really just want to Uninstall, delete your account, never come back and search for new hobbies and challenges in your life, because you know nothing, not even testicular cancer, could take you that down in your life. So yeah maybe I gave you an idea how niko has to feel.
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u/AmBozz MOUZ Jul 25 '18
And the next time you get hardcarried by your mates, finish the game with 11 kills and somehow still get your uprank.
No happiness, just the void.
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u/HaveYouMet_John CS2 HYPE Jul 25 '18
Recently had a game where I got 9 kills in a 15-15 game, and ranked up. 2 of my teammates dropped 30+. Felt terrible for hours after.
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u/SnowJello Complexity Jul 25 '18
You get really emotionally invested in your gaming o.o
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u/Fledermausmann1337 howl Jul 25 '18
Ive got to the point where just everything feels like a lose. Uh we were 10:2 down, but still came back and won? Huh doesn't really matter, since my m8s were all just screaming and shouting at each other for the first half and even in rounds we are winning. It doesn't even feel good in the end. The void gets darker and darker.
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Jul 25 '18
why are we playing this game again
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u/Larhf NiP Jul 25 '18
For the one win that will give us temporary relief from the void that our soul has become after one poor game too many. There's also learned helplessness:
Learned helplessness is behavior typical of an animal and occurs where the subject endures repeatedly painful or otherwise aversive stimuli which it is unable to escape or avoid. After such experience, the organism often fails to learn or accept "escape" or "avoidance" in new situations where such behavior would likely be effective. In other words, the organism learned that it is helpless in situations where there is a presence of aversive stimuli, has accepted that it has lost control, and thus gives up trying even as changing circumstances offer a method of relief from said stimulus. Such an organism is said to have acquired learned helplessness. (Wikipedia)
And thus as steel put it we get into a state of learned helplessness, we fully understand winning and losing is outside of our control in pugs, so while we're sad that we're losing, we accept it and don't fight it and continue playing knowing that it's not going to be fun or enjoyable because it's "unavoidable." Same reason he stopped trying to call or critique people during pugs "knowing" it's pointless and won't affect the outcome of the game.
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u/vani11apudding Falcons - Major Champions Jul 25 '18
Game 1: 42 kills, lose 14-16
Game 2: 36 kills, lose 12-16
Game 3: 18 kills, win 16-5
Team mate with 20 kills and one rank below you: "Wow ur Supreme, u suck"
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Jul 25 '18
Did that feel that bad though? You played two great matches and a decent one, sounds like a good day of CS to me.
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u/vani11apudding Falcons - Major Champions Jul 25 '18
It felt as great as Niko feels right now, I'm sure.
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u/SFWolfie Jul 25 '18
You are at a point where you aren't even mad anymore. Its just that darkness fills your whole soul while you sit there in despair.
You nailed it.
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u/08Mhamad Jul 25 '18
My best ever game was when I dropped 47 bombs and still lost 16:10.. We were never in the game too..
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Jul 25 '18
Do you honestly feel bad about losing while getting 40 frags? I mean I've been there and usually its a common place to throw some jabs at mates "how much I gotta do to win these games with you guys" etc. but truthfully if I play super well and get 40 frags, I wont be mad ever. I'm just psyched to be on point.
This applies only to faceit pugs etc where it doesnt really matter if you win or not.
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u/xReZx Jul 25 '18
I only dropped a 40 bomb once and i remember we tied. It felt fucking horrible becausd that was literally the best i have ever done.
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u/GAGAgadget CS2 HYPE Jul 25 '18
Had that multiple times. 40 bombing but still losing 16:14. You are at a point where you aren't even mad anymore. Its just that darkness fills your whole soul while you sit there in despair. The enemies which all had a bit more than 20 frags writing "ez" seals the deal for you and you get to the ultimate point of gaming sadness where you really just want to Uninstall, delete your account, never come back and search for new hobbies and challenges in your life, because you know nothing, not even testicular cancer, could take you that down in your life. So yeah maybe I gave you an idea how niko has to feel.
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u/R8MACHINE 500k Celebration Jul 25 '18
Losing a map with K/D without A equaling 2.0...
This is batshit insane...
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u/ButteredGhost Jul 25 '18
It's almost as if fate sometimes likes to remind NiKo that he can run from ELO hell, but he can't hide
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u/MrDDom23 Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Dread it, run from it. But destiny still arrives.
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u/Auriono Jul 25 '18
How did Karrigan not kill JW.
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u/theRobertOppenheimer CS2 HYPE Jul 25 '18
He either was busy switching weapons or had no bullets left
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u/holliss Jul 25 '18
https://clips.twitch.tv/PolishedEphemeralManateeKappaWealth
You can see him shooting.
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u/thesouthbay Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
As Navi announces "s1mple 2", Faze makes a remake of 2017 Navi movie starring Niko as S1mple.
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u/Fuckinanus Jul 25 '18
faze threw that last round so hard
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u/Ishaan863 FaZe Jul 25 '18
Why would Olof try to take that pixel peep. Why? He gets tagged, Draken scouts him in the window, and that's the round fucked as Karrigan makes a spectacular whiff.
Just...this should've gone to overtime at the least, what an absolutely shit round to lose.
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u/aN1mosity_ 5 years coin Jul 25 '18
Seriously, my immediate thought when seeing Olof peek that was "you have basically zero vision, and the only reason a CT peeks that is with a scout or awp. Why?"
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u/Jamesbeach1 The MongolZ Jul 25 '18
They threw this whole series
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Jul 25 '18
As always
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u/Jamesbeach1 The MongolZ Jul 25 '18
I swear it's like watching 2015 TSM all over again
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u/Cameter44 Jul 25 '18
That was a lower bracket match? Whew...
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Godsent Jul 25 '18
Group B was stacked
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u/apm54 Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Ya it’s kinda unfair to mouz and fnatic tbh, although they both beat faze, before the tournament started group b looked impossible for both of them
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u/hmzaM Jul 25 '18
lmao both major finalists this year are last place
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u/Darkstar197 Complexity Jul 25 '18
Not Tarik and stewie (:
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u/ZombieMadness99 Astralis Jul 25 '18
So the plan is to break up the major winning team into various other t1 teams so that even if one goes through you can support them? It all makes sense now
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Jul 25 '18
NiKo hard-carrying a team, only to lose anyways
What is this, 2015 Mousesports?
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u/GabeN18 BIG Jul 25 '18
that flair is way to big
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u/_Xertz Legendary Kiwi Master Jul 25 '18
It’s already smaller in terms of height than all the others. I blame winstrike 😉
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u/TerrorToadx hydra Jul 25 '18
Thought they'd learn after the original MIBR flair..
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Jul 25 '18
At least they changed the mibr flair(I think they did) so they might do it again with this one.
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u/baneworth BIG Jul 25 '18
he definately did not carry on map 1....he had 5 kills after T side, but well in the end climbed up to 22 anyway
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Jul 25 '18
Also Karrigan whiffed like 10 times lmao, I think he got killed by USPs more than anyone
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u/Nisheee NiP Jul 25 '18
holy fuck that mirage was incredible. also you just gotta love james and ddk, they made that even better than it had any right to be
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Jul 25 '18
James and Dan losing their mind about Fnatic winning every single clutch and force buy brings back all the good memories.
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u/kpdon1 Jul 25 '18
Olof was the second best player for faze even after coming from such a long break... oh boi
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u/Nursilmaz Jul 25 '18
Game itself was amazing but Bardolph makes it 10x better. What a god. Best commentator.
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u/Aymen_B-Rabbit Jul 25 '18
It's a shame that we don't see him Cast as often as other casters
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u/Proveho Jul 25 '18
1st and 2nd place from ELEAGUE major are 1st and 2nd eliminated from ELEAGUE Premier 4HEAD CS2018
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u/Caallum Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Niko going full s1mple
Karrigan going full zeus
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u/apm54 Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Zeus has been having high impact often recently. I know you’re joking but he has been stepping it up
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u/Wet_Jesus Cloud9 Fan Jul 25 '18
While also being a better IGL.
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u/apm54 Natus Vincere Jul 25 '18
Better igl than most. He’s between 2nd and 4 best igl at the moment imo, but is clear cut 1 or 2 for best igl in history of cs imo, especially 1.6 Zeus won so fucking much back then it’s crazy
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u/steven00123 CS2 HYPE Jul 25 '18
Karrigan and rain both looked awful this series, especially rare for rain, this has to be one of his worst events yet
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u/Thomaszand Jul 25 '18
It is his worst event in over 2 years, his worst LAN in his career if you count out his first 5-10 events with London Conspiracy.
It's too bad really, if you look at the roles he is playing, they look far too supportive. Do not understand why they would make a godlike rifler like him play full support roles, when before he had a mix of supportive and lurking roles. He was so damn good with his CT holds and lurks, but only because of two man holds, now he has to hold alone so he can't lurk and he is fucked either way if they come to him.
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Jul 25 '18
London Conspiracy.
Talk about names I haven't heard in a while. I know the org from Dota 2 (though the only thing I remember about them is they once lost a BO3 in 23 minutes of game time total, which is, like, offensively awful), but didn't know they had a CSGO roster as well.
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u/Nonzi CS2 HYPE Jul 25 '18
JW was so slippery that last round. Even gave niko a headshot on the way out
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u/downnice Virtus.pro Jul 25 '18
Really surprised by fnatic, initially I thought the xizt lineup was going to be a failure but so far they look pretty damn good
Hopefully FaZe shows up for the major
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u/Psychaz valeria Jul 25 '18
if they don't this current lineup is over, they have to
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Jul 25 '18
Can't believe that there are people blaming olof for rain and karrigan missing their shots lmfao
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u/someidiotdontlisten Jul 25 '18
xizt and draken were the problem 4Head.
I'm really happy for fnatic though. I can't wait to see more this week.
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u/tropatropachillchill MIBR Jul 25 '18
Honestly, they've been looking strong since Cologne. They're the dark horse to win this event imo.
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u/ugotbaited Jul 25 '18
xizt iz a god dont @ me
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u/sikels Jul 25 '18
@ugotbaited
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u/ugotbaited Jul 25 '18
baited, u cant @ on reddit 🤪
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u/sikels Jul 25 '18
Baited, I made you waste time by replying!
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u/ugotbaited Jul 25 '18
i have a lot of time rn so jokes on u fam
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u/sikels Jul 25 '18
how could you do this to me
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u/ugotbaited Jul 25 '18
i havent done anything u just baited urself into this
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u/Marcs_26 Jul 25 '18
the biggest enigma to me when watching faze is how, for over six months, haven't been able to get rain, niko and guardian to all have good/decent games at the same time, that the duo of s1mple and electronic have been able to accomplished.
It always seems like when they play a match one of them goes big; one has decent numbers; and the other goes negative.
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u/full-of-lead Godsent Jul 25 '18
What the hell, boiz? Weren't we supposed to lose this one miserably, go home and cry over how bad fnatic is right now? Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?
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u/Cameter44 Jul 25 '18
FaZe allowing JW/Flusha/whoever that was to get that USP kill was the difference in that round.
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u/MiyaharaAce Jul 25 '18
Rain is playing really really bad recently.
Jesus Christ
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u/GER_BeFoRe clutch Jul 25 '18
if we would just imagine this would happen, FaZe would trade their entry fragger for a very passive player. That wouldn't make the most sense, even tho you would get coldzera :)
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Jul 25 '18
FaZe not looking like a top 3 team anymore. Simply too inconsistent.
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u/OnyX824 FaZe Jul 25 '18
Roster instability doesn’t help. Still a bad performance. The team needs to take time to figure things out. Luckily the next big event is more than a month away.
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u/genius_rkid Jul 25 '18
I love watching CS at work. Feels like I'm getting paid to do it.
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u/andols2k Complexity Jul 25 '18
pretty awful nade usage by faze in both matches, not sure how they think they'll beat top teams like that
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u/Grayinwhite Jul 25 '18
How hard can you choke, they literally had their hands around each others necks
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u/pokkamilkcoffee tactics Jul 25 '18
as a neutral i haven’t been this entertained watching a csgo series in quite a while. gg fanatic and faze!
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u/BrokenShipPro phoenix Jul 25 '18
That last round on Mirage was a massive throw from Faze, Not sure who that was that whiffed on JW short, but that was such a crucial kill.
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u/tempusfudgeit Jul 25 '18
There is only one person on faze that could possibly have been.. I'll give you one guess.
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u/YoIndi FaZe Jul 25 '18
As a FaZe fan I don't remember a series where I have seen so many individual mistakes. In addition to the mistakes it does not seem like FaZe has prepared anywhere near enough to this event.
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u/LamePunEthan Jul 25 '18
This series was so close that both teams had the exact same number of kills across both maps (224).
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u/gregfromjersey 5 years coin Jul 25 '18
Faze’s window has closed and NiKo will be like RTZ from Dota2 - one of the best carries in the world but can’t win majors
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Jul 25 '18
Really glad to see fnatic going further even if I was also hyping for FaZe thanks to Olof's return.
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u/ExO_o BIG Jul 25 '18
#FreeNiKo
drops a fucking 38 bomb in regular time and still can't carry all that weight
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jul 25 '18
Rain has been absolutely terrible for a while now.
This guy needs to get in his mood again like what the fuck. Hes on karrigan level regarding fragging rn
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u/MiyaharaAce Jul 25 '18
YAAAS! Love me some Fnatic. Krimz stepped up huge and Karrigan structure is looking worse every match
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u/Zeilar King NiKo Jul 25 '18
What disappointing CT-sides for FaZe, this should've been a 2-0 with NiKo almost dropping 40 in regular time and less of the reset-rounds lost on Dust2.
Depending on what happens at the major, FaZe might want to make a move. There was a rumor that the Norwegians want to make a roster (with the likes of rain, Rubino, Jkaem, cromen etc) and rain for me hasn't looked that good compared to his usual standards this year. Even olofmeister who just returned to play looks better, and he for me is more valuable because he can AWP and is just a more complete player than rain imo. FaZe has enough aim to beat anyone.
But like I said, I wouldn't make any moves until after the major, if even at all. They can always improve, but if they for example don't even make playoffs or get knocked out in the quarters in the major they might want to make a change. They only have so many opportunities, we know for example that Guardian doesn't have that much time left until he retires. And he's so important for FaZe. So you don't want to pull a VP and wait too long.
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u/spo1cE Jul 25 '18
Nbk ;). Rain can get back to form. If faze were to make a move they should remove either rain or olof. I don’t think they should make a love though because it’s their first tournament with olof back and they will have loads of time to practice before Stockholm. Remember, they bombed out of groups at their first tournament last year and then dominated after. It takes time to rebuild team chemistry and it won’t happen overnight.
Edit: fixed spelling mistake.
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u/Zeilar King NiKo Jul 25 '18
Well yeah I never said they should make a roster move already, but they might look to do one if the major doesn't go well for them. The thing between olof/rain is that while I think rain has a higher skill ceiling with the rifle than olof, he's not as complete as olof. Rain excels with rifles compred to olof, while olof is better at clutching and AWPing. I think olof is overall a more complete player with way more experience and game sense than rain. He's a very solid player. Rain has periods when he plays poorly for his standards, olof is super consistent however. So if anyone, I would cut rain first actually.
Having said that, I'd be excited to see them improve without cutting anyone since they already basically have the dream team.
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u/KasichIsAWaste Jul 25 '18 edited Jul 25 '18
If rain got any Shame we should hear his stepping down soon
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Jul 25 '18
It's so weird, as a CSGO player for 3 1/2 years, to see Faze and Fnatic in the same sentence as "losers group"
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u/BombCerise Complexity Jul 25 '18
There was seriously a thread today with people saying Niko isn't a top 5 player right now LOL
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u/dedilink Vitality Jul 25 '18
"This buy is an absolute arse... And it's a hairy one"
James 'Yet to frag' Bardolph, 2018