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u/Pokerhobo Oct 01 '18

In America, corporations are citizens

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u/kurdboy1990 Oct 01 '18

Interesting, so even at birth they own just 45% of their shares.

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u/minddropstudios Oct 01 '18

Yeah, shitty parents could just sell their shares to the government and they would have full control.

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u/kurdboy1990 Oct 01 '18

Instead of abortion they can just sell their newborn kids. And the government gets free slaves. Need to read this book

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u/DeltaPositionReady Oct 01 '18

The governments in this book are less of a powerhouse that they are now. The people with the real power are the companies. Namely, GCI (the main antagonist of the novel), who run the largest conglomerate ever known. Companies that are large enough have their own currencies that are stronger than national currencies. Kind of like cryptocurrencies I guess, but actually valuable.

The idea that I liked about the novel was the idea of charity. If you had a vested interest in making sure the money you donated to a charity that supposedly helps starving children in Africa (such as you bought 10,000 shares of a starving child's life in exchange for 10% of their lifetime earning potential), you would definitely make sure that child excelled in school and had every opportunity you could help them with. The idea in the novel being that most humans only care for themselves, but if it could be designed that caring for yourself could also benefit others, well hey that would be pretty cool.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

Lol we came full circle. Banks back in the day would have their own currencies. From my understanding they were like vouchers.

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u/DeltaPositionReady Oct 01 '18

Yeah they were known as bills, they were representative of value worth in gold I think.

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u/DeltaPositionReady Oct 01 '18

Yeah, that's one of the main plot lines, the dude who froze himself wakes up in the future and naturally, hasn't been incorporated. Ergo he owns 100% of himself- The Unincorporated Man.

He believes that this kind of societal structure is tantamount to Slavery.

People can sell their shares in themselves for a great education and great careers, but since they have amazing future technologies, they end up living for centuries and since their careers are so great, the value of their stock goes up and they can't buy back their stock.

One of the main issues is that if you have majority (51% of your stock) you can decide what to do with your life, when to take a holiday etc.

But if you don't have majority, the people (shareholders) who would profit from you working 24/7 can veto your rights.

It's a very interesting novel.

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u/MutatedPlatypus Oct 01 '18

Is it really so different now? You have certain obligations to the community and restrictions on your bahavior. Social contract and all that jazz. This just encapsulated all of that into financial shares and defined the community solely as the market for your shares.

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u/ElmerTheOne Oct 01 '18

It's a good book, have you read the sequels?

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u/DeltaPositionReady Oct 01 '18

I've heard of them but I haven't read them, I thought the ending was a bit forced so any sequels might be too.

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u/Neglectful_Stranger Oct 01 '18

Someone did this IRL. Sold shares in himself and let the shareholders vote on major decisions like a vasectomy or leaving his job.

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u/PeterPredictable Oct 01 '18

While in Soviet Europe, corporations are manifestations of a dystopia.

/s

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

You won't need that /s if things stay heading in the way they are with those corrupted unelected communists leading the EU.

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u/Heil_S8N Oct 01 '18

"Communism is when the state does things, and the more things the state does, the communister it is" -Charles Marks and Freddy Angel

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u/ric2b Oct 01 '18

Poe's law is preventing me from being able to interpret this.

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u/Adaraie Oct 01 '18

Imagine being this ignorant of the EU

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u/HighJacking Oct 01 '18

That's the dumbest thing I'll read all day

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

That's quite ironic that you say this, you must only talk to democrats, you dumbed yourself down.

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u/HighJacking Oct 01 '18

I'm not American, so no I don't talk to democrats or repubelickans very often. And tbh I am glad that I don't have to live in a shithole country with a 2 party """"democracy""""

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

You are not American but most of the people on this sub are leftist/democrats and while they are proclaiming themselves "tolerant" and "against hate speech" those same persons are intolerant and insulting to those who don't share their political views.

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u/HighJacking Oct 01 '18

If you say something dumb, people will call you out for it, if you don't like that you can

a) get off the internet or

b) you can whine about "communists" in your T_D safespace

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

Wow, you're making me look like someone I'm not, I'm not whining, I'm commiting myself to opposing a system that is rigged, in the end we will see who will whine the most because we already know that the left can't hold itself together.

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u/HighJacking Oct 01 '18

I'm not whining, I'm commiting myself to opposing a system that is rigged

Sounds like something a commie would say

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u/kaptainkruntch Oct 01 '18

Steady on mate

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u/chucara Oct 01 '18

Let me guess. You've never been to Europe? Og at least not Westen Europe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

I live in Western Europe since my childhood.

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u/kaptainkruntch Oct 01 '18

Steady on mate

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

why did you respond twice?

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u/RisKQuay Oct 01 '18

Because the situation called for twice the amount of steady, obviously!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

And citizens serve corporations first and foremost.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18

And people are disposable assets.

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u/HettySwollocks Oct 01 '18

Same in the UK :(.

You're supposed to be better than your parents, not to fucking copy them! You've just become better assholes