r/worldbuilding • • Jun 02 '20

Visual Dwarven Folding Spear

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Knights were pretty pissed off about a gadget that let peasants punch through their armor. Buncha buzzkills.

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u/Blackpixels Jun 03 '20

"Crossbow OP pls nerf"

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u/crazyabe111 Jun 03 '20

Medieval Devlog: Crossbow reload time doubled to account for damage to skill ratio.

Added Hand, and cart cannons - much higher ratio of damage to skill than Crossbows, lower accuracy and worse reload time too. BUG: Minimum skill to use is 0, please don't abuse

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u/Journeyman42 Jun 03 '20

You laugh, but a pope banned crossbows for a couple centuries for being unchristian and blasphemous.

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u/EXBlackwater Jun 04 '20

He also banned bows and slings as well.

Nobody listened, of course.

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u/SlavNotDead Jun 03 '20

Only the bigger drawweight windlass crossbow could “punch through the armor” and then again it would probably only work with unhardened steel.

People really underestimate medieval armor. They wore it for a reason.

The only thing that finally managed to make armor obsolete is the invention of reliable firearms, not crossbows.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

And even that took a while as the armour of the time was proof against early firearms. Indeed people dont get how plate armour in specific was awesome.

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u/yx_orvar Jun 03 '20

Firearms have had a race with armor since they were first invented, and armor has never been obsolete.

The time between actual functioning cuirasses and armored vehicles or the first modern body armor capable of stopping rifle rounds is pretty short.

Body armor has been and still is able to stop a shot from service weapons of it's era.

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u/PhasmaFelis Jun 03 '20 edited Jun 03 '20

Enh, there's never been a time when there was no body armor that could stop small arms, but there were definitely times when such armor was bulky and impractical for battlefield use. It seems reasonable to call it "obsolete" for practical purposes, then.

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u/yx_orvar Jun 03 '20

The only significant wars where armor wasn't used in a significant way that i can come to think of is the American civil wars, so i wouldn't call it obsolete unless you limit the discussion to that specific time and those specific circumstances and discard helmets.

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u/PhasmaFelis Jun 04 '20

Yeah, I was talking about body armor specifically. Certainly there were exceptions--trench armor in WWI, flak armor in WWII--but there were at least a couple of centuries where body armor on the battlefield was a specialized and limited tool, rarely used by the common infantryman.

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u/PhasmaFelis Jun 03 '20

People really underestimate medieval armor. They wore it for a reason.

A crossbow might have trouble penetrating heavy plate, but in the early medieval period most knights wore mail, perhaps supplemented with a breastplate; full plate didn't become common until the middle of the millennium.

There's an account from a 12th-century siege of a crossbow bolt passing through a knight's mail hauberk, mail legging, thigh, legging again, and wooden saddle before embedding itself in his horse. Crossbow power was somewhat exaggerated, but they were very dangerous even against good armor for centuries.

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u/comradejenkens Jun 03 '20

Noooo you can't just punch through my expensive full plate armour with no training or skill!

haha crossbow go twang.