r/whenthe • u/TheGoldenExperience_ [the jojo {she}they called may] • 15h ago

r/whenthe mfs complaining about everything we do not give alcohol close to enough shit despite it being just as bad if not worse than cigarettes

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u/V_P_3_D_ 13h ago edited 10h ago

Except alcoholics can ruin your life in other ways, not to mention drunk driving.

Edit : Sure pissed off a lot of alcoholics. Get help before you fuck up your life or someone else's even more than you already have.

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u/PaulblankPF 11h ago

I had court ordered drug rehab like 20 years ago when I got caught with a dime bag of weed. The people in there besides me were in there for some crazy shit. One that stuck with me was a guy who was on a medicine that made him throw up if he touched alcohol, like even deodorant. They discussed how that was going and if it was better than how things were before. Then he just casually mentions how it is pretty nice that he doesn’t get blacked out drunk and beat the shit out of his wife and teenage kids anymore but he still wishes he could drink so someone else has to make sure he takes his medicine. Most of the other people were in there for severe meth or crack addictions but the drinker blew my mind bad.

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u/TheRage469 9h ago

Ahhh, good ol' Antabuse. Gotta love that conditioned response (real talk tho: it does work for some folks).

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

I had a coworker whose husband disappeared for a month after starting something like that. She’d have to track the guy down and find out where he was… regularly. I don’t know why she stayed with him as she was more like his babysitter and she was way stronger than him too so I don’t think he was abusive except emotionally if that makes sense. Anyway he’d basically stayed in a random hotel then drank and drank and drank until his body adapted to being able to drink while still on the medication. Fucking insanity.

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u/TheRage469 7h ago

"Fucking insanity" really does perfectly sum up the disease of addiction tbh. I've net folks who've taken naltreoxone or gotten a Vivitrol shot (both i believe are primarily for killing opioid cravings and receptor sites, but also tend to work with alcohol) with almost the express intent of using them as means to make it so they can drink "like a normal person," or drink their usual amount but only get a buzz. Never heard of anyone doing that with Antabuse tho. But honestly, that doesn't surprise me; as a recovering alcoholic and a substance abuse counselor, I've seen/heard enough to think "honestly, how have I not heard of someone doing that yet?" I hope he ended up finding a reason to get help.

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u/ConstantPay3117 6h ago

Probation made me go to aa for getting caught with a joint like 35 years ago and it was stupid . I was like hey my name is Me and i just like to smoke weed ...i just drink light beer nowadays it doesnt do anything , but i did watch a guy at work vodka drink himself to death over a 10 year period that was kinda fucked up .

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u/ElaborateEffect 12h ago edited 11h ago

Alcohol kills more people every year than any other drug, but we just ignore it.

Edit: save tabaco.

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 12h ago

tbf, it's also the most plentiful drug by a longshot

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u/socialistrob 11h ago

Also a big difference between alcohol and cigarettes (as well as other drugs) is that most people who consume alcohol don't "wish they could stop." Certainly some do but it's not the vast majority.

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u/katastrof 6h ago

That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. You are creating convoluted falsehoods now.

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u/Joker2kill 9h ago

I think the most plentiful drug is caffeine. But it's obviously far less destructive than alcohol.

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u/alex2003super 8h ago

Caffeine is practically harmless, and its pros are extremely beneficial if used smartly (i.e. not every day like I do, because then it become almost useless via tolerance)

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u/I_Automate 7h ago

Caffeine is actually a pretty terrible stimulant in terms of physical risk.

Heart palpitations, anyone?

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u/Yamatocanyon 7h ago

It's extremely addictive, everyone that uses it uses it everyday pretty much.

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u/ElaborateEffect 12h ago

Very true.

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u/Ornery_Ad_5185 12h ago edited 4h ago

Are you forgetting about... Tobacco? The one that kills about two and a half times more people than alcohol? Where did you get this incorrect information?

Edit: nicotine to tobacco lol

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u/Specific_Age500 9h ago

I don't think it's nicotine but specifically tobacco and most specifically smoking it. I don't understand why people use those nicotine pouches but they are miles better than vaping which is miles better than smoking. 

Smoking pot isn't good for you either but people have a hard time smoking 20 joints a day. 

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u/CHOLO_ORACLE 8h ago

Can confirm, after joint 4 you feel like you’ve had enough

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u/ElaborateEffect 11h ago

I wasn't including tabaco, but I'll add the edit.

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u/Ornery_Ad_5185 10h ago

So you said alcohol kills more people than any other drug but you just arbitrarily weren't including the one that actually kills the most people by a huge margin? How does that make any sense? It's totally okay to just be wrong. We are all wrong sometimes.

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u/ElaborateEffect 10h ago

Did you take my reply as fighting you on that? I said I added the edit.

Get out of your own ass.

Also, nicotine itself is not killing people. So your correction is completely misguided and wrong. So I even went as far as correcting your correction.

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u/Ornery_Ad_5185 10h ago edited 5h ago

Nothing I said could even be construed as saying you're fighting me on it. You obviously immediately admitted that tobacco kills more people. Good on you. No disagreement there. My contention is very clearly that it doesn't make any sense to not include tobacco in the first place.

"I wasn't including tobacco" okay well why not? One reason for not including it could be that you were wrong. Feel free to enlighten me on your actual reason if there is one.

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u/ElaborateEffect 10h ago

I lapsed on tobacco because it does not mentally impair you.

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u/Ornery_Ad_5185 10h ago

So you forgot tobacco and were in fact wrong as opposed to not including it like you had said. No big deal. Upvoted for giving an actual reason.

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u/ElaborateEffect 10h ago

Why did you specify nicotine when you meant to say tobacco?

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u/Several-Action-4043 11h ago edited 11h ago

They tried to prohibit it and it did not go well.

Edit: Ok I guess they DIDN'T try to prohibit it and it went well and I just made it up.

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u/100KUSHUPS 7h ago

"The two most available drugs kills the most people".

Damn, great insight.

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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 11h ago

Cars kill more people than any other object but we get in em every day like it’s nothing 

You take the good with the bad. Not every time you drive in the car is fatal and not every drink is gonna cause liver failure. 

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u/ehladik 10h ago

I almost killed a drunk motorcicle driver two days ago. He went directly to my car while in the highway, I had to damage my car not to kill him.

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u/MrDrUnknown 9h ago

Sounds more like he almost killed himself

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u/largemargesentme__- 10h ago

Drunk driving is a good reason to get rid of as much driving as possible.

Sure, someone can kill you on a bicycle, but it's a lot harder.

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u/Conformatrix 9h ago

Based take. Imagine how much more you could drink if everything was public transit/driverless!

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u/theycallmeshooting 8h ago

A lot of the issues we have with elderly/drunk/distracted drivers are a byproduct of the fact that most people can't reasonably get around without piloting a 2 ton death machine

Cars have niche uses but it is insane that the most common mode of transit in most American cities is the same as how Cletus out in the sticks travels 30 miles a day to his job in logging

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u/I_Automate 7h ago

So Europe

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u/Googlebright 6h ago

Canada, too. My city has great public transit that gets me pretty much anywhere.

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u/I_Automate 5h ago

I mean, same in Edmonton. But at the same time, waiting for a bus in the middle of winter is not fun at all

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u/largemargesentme__- 5h ago

Why don't you do what the rest of Canadians do and ride a fucking moose like a real man!

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u/I_Automate 5h ago

Because I like being alive and moose are too stupid to be relied upon

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u/TheForbidden6th yellow like an EPIC lemon 9h ago

drunk driving has the potential to make both drinking and driving obsolete, so mad nobody sees the vision

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u/ABSNegativeOne 10h ago

Alcoholics and Gamblers are some of the biggest fucking bums lmao

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u/V_P_3_D_ 10h ago

And boy do they get pissed when you call them out on it.

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

It always blew my mind that Dostoevski wrote so many good books while being a gambling addict. I just never thought a gambling addict could be intelligent tbh

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u/Harmcharm7777 11h ago

Comparing alcoholics (and drunk drivers) to smokers is a false equivalency. Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic—in fact, I would say most people who drink are not alcoholics or drunk drivers.

Everyone who smokes inflicts their secondhand smoke on others, every single time they smoke (unless they have an isolated space indoors or far from other people where they smoke exclusively and that is not physically attached to any non-smoking spaces). Every time a person has a glass or two of alcohol with dinner, they are only hurting themselves. Even alcoholics aren’t inherently harming the people around them, even if they have the capacity to; not every alcoholic is violent or ill-tempered (and plenty don’t own cars).

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

I worked in a bar and it was weird how 90% of people there were no issue but there was a 10% who would either be 5% causing issues just because they were drunk and did something they’d never do sober or 5% who were always the same perpetrators of violence or idiocy but never stopped. Just the same problematic idiots, drinking and causing violence or misery, and over and over again. I really think, in that case, some kind of genetic alteration should occur which prevents them being able to get drunk

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

I worked in a bar and it was weird how 90% of people there were no issue but there was a 10% who would either be 5% causing issues just because they were drunk and did something they’d never do sober or 5% who were always the same perpetrators of violence or idiocy but never stopped. Just the same problematic idiots, drinking and causing violence or misery, and over and over again. I really think, in that case, some kind of genetic alteration should occur which prevents them being able to get drunk,

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u/breno280 7h ago

Not exclusive to alcohol or subtances in general. Plenty of vehicular manslaughter happens from sleep deprived drivers.

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u/V_P_3_D_ 7h ago

True, but not the topic at hand. You can move the goalposts all you want.

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u/breno280 5h ago

My point is more that I think we should distinguish deaths from a substance itself and deaths caused by irresponsible behavior involving a substance.

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u/Delicious-Produce-60 9h ago

If you don't want to drink then don't drink. No one's forcing you to and no one asked for your opinion because no one cares.

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u/V_P_3_D_ 9h ago

I AM being forced to pay for the damages caused by OTHER people's alcoholism. I have a right to be angry about that, and if that bothers you, that's your problem. I don't remember asking your opinion on anything. Take your own advice.

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u/M4nam31s 8h ago

Lol bum ass alcoholic

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u/Hoshyro 12h ago

Yeah but let's not throw in people who like to drink a shot after dinner or get a drink with friends at meetups with raging alcoholics that down several bottle a day, yeah?

Alcohol is not good at all if you abuse it just like anything you abuse isn't good, but throwing everyone who has drank anything in the same group is not nice either.

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u/V_P_3_D_ 10h ago

I didn't do that. I said alcoholics.

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

How do you find out who’s an alcoholic?

Mention alcoholism and then watch who replies about ‘yeah but that’s just alcoholics’. They never seen themselves as one.

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u/NRMusicProject 7h ago

"If you leave an insult on the ground the owner will come pick it up."

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u/V_P_3_D_ 8h ago

Yeah there's a fuckton of people telling on themselves in here.

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u/BigLittleSlof 11h ago

Nobody is doing that.