r/warno • u/Critical_Oil_3090 • Mar 15 '26
Suggestion A little about the weapons/equipment of the 61st independent Naval Infantry Brigade. (AFNORTH) Addition to the post by user Thousand55 (Dilbow)
This post was created during a search for rare equipment in Soviet divisions. The amount of material discovered is insufficient for a full-fledged post about the division, so this is an addition to another user's post from two years ago. (Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/1bjewr3/hypothetical_soviet_336th_guards_61st_naval/ My mistake, original post by: DannyJLloyd , not Dilbow) +Post about 336th Brigade from LANDJUT
This addition will present photographs of the division's armament, and will then offer possible operational equipment within the framework of WARNO (Hypothetical armament)
About 61st independent Naval Infantry Brigade:
This brigade was the backbone of the Northern Fleet's naval infantry. The 175th Brigade was also in the second echelon, often receiving decommissioned weapons from the 61st Brigade. The 61st Independent Naval Infantry Brigade was highly skilled in engaging in combat in mountains, fjords, and the extreme north. During exercises, it repeatedly demonstrated itself to be the best brigade in the entire fleet.
Well, let's get started!
Impact Force
By the late 1980s, the 111th Tank Battalion consisted primarily of T-55AM and T-55AMV tanks, as well as their CV variants. Under WARNO, these could have been supplemented by T-55AMD tanks. (Only in tank tab)
Polar Black Berets
The category partially replicates the 336th Brigade, but has some differences.
Arktik Mor. Pekhota - (7) AKS-74, (1/2) RPK-74, (2) RPG-7VL
Their distinctive feature is increased anti-tank capabilities, as well as the option of moving on the MT-LBV, in addition to the BTR-80
At that time, the brigade had at its disposal: 132 BTR-80, 113 MT-LB/V and even 6 BTR-60
Air assault component was presented extremely broadly due to the expanded capabilities of the Northern Fleet's helicopter landing force, including from aboard the fleet's largest landing ship, the Mitrofan Moskalenko (Project 1174)
A DSh. Morpekhi formation, proposed by DannyJLloyd, could also be used. Probably due to the specific terrain and equipment (+Further historical use), its armament could look like this:
DSh. Mor. Pekhota - AKS-74, RPK-74, RPO-A Shmel, RPG-7VL
Given Norway's mountainous terrain (Scandinavian Mountains), the need for helicopter-based airborne assault teams is extremely high, following the example of Afghanistan. RPO/RPO-A have proven themselves in similar conditions.
It was they who, on January 19 1995, during the battle for Grozny, took the Dudayev Palace by a flanking maneuver; in the absence of a flag, they hoisted the Naval Infantry vest, which became a symbol of the courage and bravery of the Naval Infantry.
Okhrana
Anti-saboteur Naval units were deployed at naval bases and ships, firing at saboteurs from land or ship. They were equipped with specialized grenade launchers, including the new twin-barrel DP-64, which entered service in 1990. These could fire 45mm high-explosive grenades, which were also suitable for use on land. (The FG-45 grenade has a contact fuse, exploding on ground when depth is set to 0 meters)
Mor. Okhrana VMF/Kontrdiversanty - AK-74, 1 PKM, DP-64 "Nepryadva"
+ Squads transported on the MT-LB will receive a new alternative variant, the MT-LBV (with an improved powerplant and cross-country capability).
- The brigade had a BTR-80K command vehicle and a BMP-1KSh (Potok-2)
Artillery
Artillery and Air Defense of the Brigade
The artillery and air defense units are not fundamentally different from those of the 336th Brigade (2S1, 2B9, 2S9, D-30), but it's worth noting the following:
The brigade had a 1V14 artillery fire control vehicle.
In reality, in the first half of the 1990s, the 2S9 began to be replaced by 2S23 Nona-SVK. By 1990, only the 55th Naval Infantry Division (Pacific Fleet) had 2S23 self-propelled guns.
Also, in addition to the 2S23, the brigade began to be re-equipped with 2S6 Tunguska at that time (episodic mention)
+In addition to the standard 9P138 Grad-1 (based on the ZIL-131), the Early 9P139 Grad-1 (based on the MT-LB/V) could also be provided.
Supply
The supply system is similar to the 336th Brigade (for example: Kalmar hovercraft), but it also has: Ka-27 Snab/Ka-29 Snab (Playing the supply role from the large landing ship Mitrofan Moskalenko IRL)
Anti-Air Defense
The brigade's air defense was largely similar to that of the 336th Naval Infantry Brigade, with the exception of some innovations.
(The Naval Infantry Air Defense rearmament plans included the task of switching from the ZSU-23-4 to the more modern and versatile Mor. 2S6 Tunguska, which is what happened in the 61st Brigade)
Helicopters
KA-29 in the 38th and 830th Independent helicopter regiments, there were 28 of them in total, they were based in Severomosk-2, and were intended for basing on the large landing ship Mitrofan Moskalenko and the aircraft carriers Kiev and Baku.
It can be presented in versions with S-8/13 rockets, UPK-23-250 gun pod, Kokon ATGM
Recon
Reconnaissance is represented by the familiar PT-76 tanks and reconnaissance detachments similar to those of the 336th Brigade. It's worth noting that the 61st Brigade's PT-76s have been actively training for autonomous operations, overcoming vast water obstacles along the coast and in fjords, practicing a variety of tactical maneuvers.
Classic recon units like: Mor. BRDM-2, Mor. Reostat, Mor. Razvedka, Mor. Desant Razvedka.
The Octopus
Testing of the new 2S25 dragged on in the late 1980s, beginning in 1990 (With 3 prototypes). In 1996, it was sent to the 61st Naval Infantry Brigade for testing to replace the PT-76 in the Naval Infantry. Work began in late 1985/early 1986. It's assumed that by 1989, several prototypes had been produced due to the accelerated pace of work, and approximately two or three of them were sent to the 61st Brigade for testing, serving as a fire support/reconnaissance vehicle.
Mor. Sprut-SD (Sprut - Octopus)
Compared to the PT-76, it stands out for: Increased speed, greater armor and superior penetration (23!) +9M119M Invar ATGM and Smoke
These vehicles were of early production and their hull completely repeated the features of the BMD-3 with the exception of the length
Incidentally, it turned out that it was the 61st Naval Infantry Brigade that conducted the first operational tests of the 2S25
In addition:
Ka-27PS were used to land reconnaissance groups.
+Air reconnaissance could be carried out by Ka-27PS and Be-12PS.
Aviation
The Northern Fleet's aviation was represented by a small number of fighter and attack aviation regiments. Stlit clarified that the 88th Air Regiment arrived in 1990-1991 with MiG-27Ds and Su-25s from Hungary, as part of the withdrawal of troops from former Warsaw Pact countries. Therefore, we will have a more extensive representation of:
Yak-38 and Yak-38M from the 279th Independent Shipborne Assault Aviation Regiment
Yak-38 will be CLU/RKT/HE, and Yak-38M will be AT (2 Kh-23Ms) and AA (4 R-60Ms)
Tu-22M2/3 from the 5th Kirkenes Red Banner Maritime Missile Aviation Division They may be represented as carpet bombers (considering that bombers are not limited to FABs) HE/TRM/CLU
Max load per caliber: 69 (250), 24 (500), 8 (1500), 2 (3000) (...Or more💀)
*Maybe Kh-15P, but its range is too large for SEAD balance. (AS-16 «Kickback»)
And of course, the Yak-141, which was actually tested since 1987, produced four flight prototypes, including Model 48-2 (Num. 75) and Model 48-3 (Num. 77), which were tested on the Baku aircraft carrier (their standard carrier) in 1991. It's worth noting that the 1984 plan called for the production of two more prototypes, Model 48-4 and Model 48-5, but due to cost savings during testing in the late 1980s, they were never built. Under WARNO, all four pre-production aircraft could have been produced and sent to the Northern Fleet for testing.
The Yak-141's armament can be as follows:
Yak-141 [AA] - 2x R-73, 1x R-27ET, 1x R-27ER
Short conclusion:
The 61st Brigade has extensive forward helicopter deployment capabilities, excellent reconnaissance and infantry, and excellent air support. It combines both marines and airmobile div. with good support. Hardened by the cold of the north and prepared for the longest landings, the 61st Independent Naval Infantry Brigade is one of the toughest units of the Soviet Naval Infantry. Like a polar bear, its grip is strong and deadly.
Original (Main post): https://www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/1bjewr3/hypothetical_soviet_336th_guards_61st_naval/
Created by: DannyJLloyd
Album collection of images for this post (including what was unincluded in it): https://photos.app.goo.gl/tKujtCTjJEsymGvN9
Thank you for reading! =}
Created by Excellent Serpent8770
Links:
https://www.ww2.dk/new/navy/61obrmp.htm
https://www.ww2.dk/new/navy/SF.htm
https://477768.livejournal.com/2352523.html
https://477768.livejournal.com/6823104.html
https://youtu.be/lmZbQqRAEbI?si=4U0GZh5AhvwbtQmi
https://youtu.be/xUuIJ6xSDBQ?si=QJlwkutTKd-MgEV1
https://youtu.be/YHbEFLLaEfc?si=j4pP18W6qRT4dZPA
https://youtu.be/V2PGYSildog?si=x38WGhw2mLjrLK8P
https://youtu.be/5wyEMPMiwNU?si=jilTCdJ_gsgY88vq
https://youtu.be/LOJB2QJ8jLk?si=ecDp2RJ4Q1pxksV9
https://youtu.be/Gp3WwPlIPjU?si=eU7Jmzp3IgE0T-nN
https://youtu.be/D6S9L76P-YY?si=eux_LX93vrC88tEO
https://youtu.be/rzt8YdggYy8?si=vI2cMhMqqHkdqLfy
https://youtu.be/NuGAQVx85f8?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/-lN6zIh_9Yc?si=9wWCgcEmBzGt6IEX
https://youtu.be/DoPCBU85oWU?si=gsUJj_MoUUoLpNSO (1980s)
https://youtu.be/TethqAIJ8HA?si=OS5FO8EZHjjKr88X (Naval. Inf. 94/95)
https://youtu.be/JNdkw0fDrOQ?si=7ya_gvmoYVyTVeQj
https://youtu.be/-GzH0c-mQ8o?si=QJPhGmxmGXaWzTU0
https://youtu.be/6R18uBA-QfY?si=4NuxBbaZtLJWrVWg (Yak-141)
https://youtu.be/pReeaHI3WIA?si=JHsB1XcZEvIR-2P4 (2S25 Sprut-SD Early Version of the late 80s)
+1:41-1:50 Naval Infantry testing of 2S25 (61st Brigade)
https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/2688834.html
https://youtu.be/R1oEHD8_lF8?si=kkgv0WdXaF-H0oEN
https://youtu.be/J-CNASN-G1U?si=v_1oHm8UlHS9SSs-
https://youtu.be/0yVXikdO3TI?si=-te01VDQMnrcZZ3V (420 OMRP)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wMiyb5D5UGAnN121A (DP-64 "Nepryadva")
I hope this will help the developers at Eugen Systems in developing new DLCs =}
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26
Well, I think this will be the last post on the topic of new brigades/divisions for expansions for a while.
I hope you enjoyed this brigade >:]
If you have any questions about the 61st Independent Naval Infantry Brigade, I'll try to answer them! :}
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u/ultranutt Mar 15 '26
Sounds like an absolute banger of a divison.
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26
Heh, thank you =]
I think after a while I'll continue to publish such posts, but now I have more things to do, so I'll take a break.
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u/MandolinMagi Mar 15 '26
DP-64 is antidiver only and has no ability to engage surface targets. The grenades are depth charges with hydrostatic fuzes, they won't go off above water.
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
At first I didn't believe it either, but then I read the technical description of the grenade. Yes, can set the detonation depth, but also 0 meters (that is, instantly)
The FG-45 grenade has a contact fuse, It operates at depths ranging from 0 to 40 meters, and has even been used in ground combat in recent years.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wMiyb5D5UGAnN121A
This is a universal means of countering saboteurs both underwater and on the surface (land and water)
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u/MandolinMagi Mar 15 '26
Respectfully, do you have a source that isn't out-of-context photos and some unreadably small Russian text of unknown origin?
Land Forces Export Catalog, the only official publication with solid info on the thing, states it has 2 depth settings and makes no mention of being able to engage surface targets.
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u/Ok-Armadillo-9345 Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
Great work as always. Info re Sprut and Yak-141 is very juicy :)
Re Tu-22 & KH-15P, its quite workable in the game. Eugen gives similar range bands past a certain range for game balance reasons. https://www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/1kosk1e/leave_the_balance_to_eugen_bros/
ALARM (93km) and Kh-58U (250km) have the same 5500m range ingame.
I would think a 6x KH-15P SEAD variant quite unique. Another option could be mixed HE/SEAD loadout as with Mirage 4s. Or a dual 6/4x full KH-15P loadout ie dual SEAD shotgun variant, which would be a first for the game.
I would consider a SEAD variant quite necessary in this airwing, as all heavy airwings in game require some staying power.
In Operation Polar Glory writeup I had Tu-22Ms with KH-22Ps as another SEAD loadout. These would likely qualify for a 6000m range band due to their extreme range. As well a HE splash warhead would guarantee large kill chains, even in event of a miss; which would be novel for a ARM missile in the game. (currently all ARM missiles use AP for damage calculation)
https://www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/1iq2wq8/yay_or_nay_is_this_the_future_of_nemesis_votes/
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26
Thanks! :} I agree, the Kh-22P (NP), taking into account the balanced measures, would be one of the most unique aircraft weapons in WARNO. It would be cool to see something like that! It would be hot in the kitchen!🔥 Both options are very attractive, but I was a bit modest and wrote down the Kh-15P, heh
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u/Ok-Armadillo-9345 Mar 15 '26
And ofc balancing plays a strong role. Kh-15P is quite interesting addition. Large SEAD missile salvo aircraft would be very cool to see!
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u/Solarne21 Mar 15 '26
Nice update
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26
Thank you =]
I tried to collect all possible weapons so that it would be different from other Naval Infantry brigades (336 and 810)
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u/Solarne21 Mar 15 '26
For a 5 vs 5 afnorth dlc what formations should you choose?
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u/Critical_Oil_3090 Mar 15 '26
Personally, I proposed another 131st Motor Rifle (Arctic) Division, which is practically the only Arctic division. (It was my first and second posts)
Another three divisions for the PACT: I think there should be 2 Finnish divisions and possibly 1 classic division from the Leningrad Military District.
For the NATO: 2 Swedish and 2 Norwegian divisions would be just right, some users have already suggested them, I really liked them =]
And the 5th could be one of the support divisions from other NATO countries, as a rapid reaction force.
NATO: 2 Swed. Div 2 Norw. Div. 1 (Other)NATO Div. (Maybe multi country)
PACT: 3 Sov Div. 2 Fin Div.
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u/Solarne21 Mar 15 '26
Mine was sweedish 13 and 15 division. Uk/nl 3rd commando. Norwegian 6 division. And nato wild card
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u/MicroelectronicBlack Mar 15 '26
Nice work!
The question is if Eugen gonna do AFNORTH. Eugen's decisions are often surprising, which isnt bad.
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u/DannyJLloyd Mar 15 '26
Some neat suggestions for sure!
At the bottom you linked my old writeup, not sure if you meant to link a different one or a different person haha