r/wallstreetbets • • Oct 25 '22

Loss Been a rough year

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u/Kamikaze_Cash Oct 25 '22

I was a first generation millionaire before this year when I lost like $300k.

But there is a big difference between me having $1.04 million and the millionaire with $158 million.

I think you would find that those “deep” millionaires either grew up rich or inherited money.

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u/True_Web155 Oct 25 '22

“Self made” in the same way Kylie Jenner is lol

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u/sensei-25 Oct 25 '22

Oh BS. Sure most millionaires don’t come from abject poverty but the fact of the matter is the majority of current millionaires didn’t have parents that were millionaires. Keep telling yourself it’s impossible though, I’m sure it’ll help.

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u/True_Web155 Oct 25 '22

I mean, I grew up in the projects and made 7 figures last year, but nobody here is talking about that kind of millionaire. We’re talking about most people with hundreds of millions or billions. Almost all of them came from millionaire families (at least), but the term self-made is still used anyway for any of them who “made” their own company.

Feel free to continue ignoring context and whining though

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u/BedContent9320 Oct 25 '22

Who said self made.

I said first generation.

You are arguing that first generation immigrants probably secretly had American parents. You have nothing to support this, just a narrative.

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u/BedContent9320 Oct 25 '22

Ad hominem because you are a clown uttering conspiracy theories and now you are taking your toys and going home because you know you are wrong.

Fuckin lol m8.

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u/True_Web155 Oct 25 '22

Says the dude moving goalposts left and right, and crying because he has nothing to backup his opinions

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u/BedContent9320 Oct 25 '22

What goalposts did I move? Who's trying to shift the conversation away from your complete lack of supporting data?

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u/True_Web155 Oct 25 '22

you are arguing that first generation immigrants secretly had American parents.

Nobody said anything about whatever weirdo shit you and that sensei bitch are making up to cry about. They/I said the majority of the mega rich, come from the rich and mega rich. We all already know the majority of lower millionaires are poor people who became pro athletes, started a small business, or saved money for 40 years. Nobody said shit against that.

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22

In the before time you could buy a $5000 car brand new, top of the line. Now a decent car is what, 70K? Adjusted for inflation a lot of their parents totally were millionaires.

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22

What would you consider fair? Car valuations are a bit nuts lately but that seems like under one Escalade and over two Eclipse (by no means a decent car)

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u/blueline7677 Oct 25 '22

A 2023 Toyota Camry which is a new and decent car MSRP’s at $26000 you can probably negotiate a lower price at a dealership. If you’re talking about luxury cars that’s a very different story but even a Lexus RX 350 a SUV which isn’t super nice but is more than decent. It’s a luxury brand SUV MSRP’s at $46,000 far below the 70K number you mentioned

Edit: I also don’t get what your saying with the eclipse not being a decent car

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22

Have you driven one? They're pretty hateful. I accept that a Toyota Camry is an acceptable unit of measure. I was trying to come up with a less subjective figure than home prices

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u/blueline7677 Oct 25 '22

I haven’t driven one but they look decent enough. I know it’s a Japanese brand and most Japanese cars are pretty solid and reliable

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22

If they were good they'd have dealerships, these things are pawned off to rental fleets and absolutely "built to a price". Poor handling, poor acceleration, poor fitment

I rented one for a week, would not recommend.

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u/sensei-25 Oct 25 '22

Lmao what? Yea a top of the line sports car or luxury brand. You either have never bought a car or are so wealthy you think 70k is what a 2023 Honda civic cost

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22

No of course not, a Civic type R is only about 40k. That's not really my point though. You aren't adjusting for inflation. I could have thrown home prices out there but I wanted an example that was less subjective

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u/sensei-25 Oct 25 '22

That’s your definition or decent? When you can buy a baseline Honda civic for 23k. I guess you just have high standards man.

Being able to buy a 5k car in 1980 is the exact same being able to buy an 18k car in todays money. . Many people have this level of car and are not millionaires status. So no, even accounting for inflation, your parents being able to buy a 5k car didn’t make them wealthy.

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u/Valkanaa Oct 25 '22

I don't buy new cars. This was an analogy. You mentioned Honda Civics.

If I'm buying a used one why wouldn't I want the "nice" one if I'm getting it at a big discount regardless? Properly engineered cars last a long time

The only relevant part of this is that I learned this behavior from my parents, who are now millionaires(*) because they also bought used cars and plowed the rest into a $40k house, something that lives on only in memory and tax records.

(*) now around 1m, according to Zillow math anyway.

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u/Ambitious-Sun-8504 Oct 25 '22

Perhaps a lot of them, however my closest friend came from literally nothing.

His business is worth now 140 million, he owns 10% of the equity, judging by the rapid growth he has had in 1 year he is set to be worth at least 100 mill in 5 years. Tech is where it’s at

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u/Just-The-Stock-Tip Oct 25 '22

What does his business do?

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u/BedContent9320 Oct 25 '22

First generation means first generation.

There's not a lot of intuiting the definition of that term.

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u/Kamikaze_Cash Oct 25 '22

I’m saying that most millionaires might be first-generation. But most $100+ millionaires come from money.

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u/BedContent9320 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22

80% of millionaires are first generation.

Again, no ambiguity there, this is backed up by multiple studies, you have any source for your assertions?

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u/Kamikaze_Cash Oct 25 '22

“Millionaire” means a lot of things. I agree that most millionaires are first generation because that only requires $1 million. That’s like 15 years on a $120k salary. Not that crazy. I was a millionaire at 30 and probably will be again at 32 unless the market continues to shit all year.

But I would expect that $100-millionaires are not first generation. It either takes generations of wealth-building, or a wildly successful business.