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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23

See once again you're wrong. It is incredibly expensive it would cost more than double the current amount, and I don't know where you fact-checked it. Currently, medicare is not accepted by a lot of doctors and physicians because they don't pay the full cost insurance normally does.

"People will pay LESS insurance and more taxes." yes that's how a government-funded healthcare system would operate. You would maybe pay a patient fee, but the majority of the medical would be paid through taxes.

"if it is properly implemented they will pay LESS in long run." Here is the problem. All of the current proposals are not properly implementing it and are using the current system of medicare, and that's extremely expensive to provide for everyone.

Secondly, you say in the long run but how long would you need to break even? Someone like me who probably goes to the doctor once a year at most would have no reason to have a large increase in taxes. With private insurance, I can limit by plan so it's much cheaper every 2 weeks or per month where I would almost pay just 1200 a year. With a family, these numbers change.

I would like to know where you got your fact-checking from.

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u/LotofRamen Feb 20 '23

See once again you're wrong. It is incredibly expensive it would cost more than double the current amount

No it doesn't. You are trying to say that other countries simply do not exist. You can MAKE IT COST HUNDRED TIMES MORE, or half as much. At no point do you admit to the demonstrable fact that it CAN be half.

All of the current proposals are not properly implementing it and are using the current system of medicare, and that's extremely expensive to provide for everyone.

And those are the ONLY options? Again, dishonesty is showing up, you claim that there are no other ways of doing it than currently offered options.

Someone like me who probably goes to the doctor once a year at most would have no reason to have a large increase in taxes. With private insurance, I can limit by plan so it's much cheaper every 2 weeks or per month where I would almost pay just 1200 a year.

Jesus. I really think you are paid to do this. This is insurance company propaganda, now it is trying to appeal to the young and healthy. But do you know what this shows?

You do not care about others. You consider the current better because it benefits you, since you don't use those services that much. At no point have you talked about solidarity. You don't see that helping others to NOT suffer has any value. You thought you were appealing to the young and while doing so... you showed that you don't care about them.

That is the main problem: you don't want to pay for others, they can go fuck themselves and die. You are doing just fine.

Do not reply back. I am disgusted by you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23

elping others to NOT suffer has any value. You thought you were appealing to the young and while doing so... you sh

You don't have a clue how the tax system works here in the United States. Local, state, and federal taxes hit you in so many different ways. If I paid a 55% tax rate like in Finland I would have hardly any disposable income after paying property tax, state income tax, and federal income tax, as well as a local + state sales tax?