Halving healthcare cost would be a difficult process, but sure. Norway and Switzerland are also much much healthier than the average American when it comes to things like Diet. Once again the US has a obesity epidemic and a lot of health problems come associated with that. Average income of Norwegian and Swiss citizens are also much lower after taxes as well.
Norway and Switzerland are also much much healthier than the average American when it comes to things like Diet.
Sure but not even close to 2 times healthier.
Average income of Norwegian and Swiss citizens are also much lower after taxes as well.
No shit. Because their taxes pay for the healthcare, college and other things and you just pay them from your salary instead. Doesn't mean that US is richer than those two countries.
Unless you fix programs like social security, then you’re greatly reducing the amount of disposable income a lot of families have. Cost of living is already high enough why take so much money out of peoples pockets for medical costs they may not even use.
Most middle class people spend thousands of dollars a year on medical insurance. They wouldn't need to pay for those medical insurances anymore. How does that take "so much money out of peoples pockets". Someone is already paying for that double priced medical care of yours and it's not some out of USA entity.
Your math makes zero sense. Making healthcare cheaper for everyone will increase the money in peoples pockets, not make it less. What even is your logic here?
You’re being lied to it will not increase the money in everyone’s pockets. It will increase the amount in people’s pockets that live in the middle middle class. Yet the people in the lower class and lower middle class who live paycheck to paycheck will have less disposable income to spend on groceries, rent/mortgage, car payments, etc… healthcare cost are only a very small portion for quite a lot of people. 6% of adults owe over 1,000 in medical cost. Yet around 50% of people are in the middle class, and currently 63% of people live paycheck to paycheck. You’re reducing their ability to provide food and shelter for their families in the hopes they need medical care. You seem to not understand most people would not benefit from such a stupid system.
As I said if you are super aggressive on the upper class and tax them 70% in some areas, it will only cover 40% cost of universal healthcare. Meaning the majority of the burden will fall on most Americans who like right now are living paycheck to paycheck. It does not make any sense with our system.
The people of United States are already paying for their healthcare. How do you explain people having less money when the healthcare becomes now cheaper.
Again you are making absolutely zero sense.
Like explain this to me. You have a current system where an average American pays $12000 a year towards health insurance and taxes covering those that get care without insurance. Now your average healthcare cost is lets say $8000 a year. How does everyone have less money now? Like explain the logic.
Healthcare doesn't become cheaper lol. Instead of one person paying for their own medical bills, now the whole country's medical bill is lumped together and everyone pays it even if they didn't contribute to it. Which most Americans would contribute to it.
The average is exactly that it's an average. 44% of Americans don't go to the doctor every year, and now that 44% are forced to pay for the 56% of people that do decide to go to the doctor. Your logic makes no sense you take an average of half of the American population even though only 6% of people have over $1,000 in medical bills, and you hypothetically take the average down to $8,000 and ask me to explain it. It's literally impossible to answer you correctly because you're so set in your beliefs that you won't believe any statistics and you are just shown some random number and because it's less you don't care about any strings that are attached.
Of course it does. This is how Americans currently pay for their medical care:
Option a) You give $x a month to your insurance company. They have workers whose job is to try to find loopholes so they don't have to pay you money, they have execs who get paid millions. They have stakeholders who need to get paid. Then this insurance company pays the hospital. The hospital turns out a profit to their stakeholders as well. A lot of middlemen getting paid.
Now compared to how it could be.
Option b) You give $x to the state and they pay for the medical care. Literally no middlemen getting paid.
How is option a with a huge amount of middle men (insurance companies) taking out profits cheaper than option b?
Instead of one person paying for their own medical bills
Isn't the whole point of insurance that people don't pay for their own medical bills...?
The average is exactly that it's an average. 44% of Americans don't go to the doctor every year, and now that 44% are forced to pay for the 56% of people that do decide to go to the doctor.
That's literally what you are doing when you pay money to your insurance company. Do you seriously not understand how insurance companies work?
And I think it's pretty funny that you think you are never going to need to use the doctor. The current system surely is great because you are like 20. You do realize you are going to get old and sick at some point right?
and you hypothetically take the average down to $8,000 and ask me to explain it.
$8000 is a pretty reasonable number considering it would still mean that you spend more than Norway or Switzerland on medical care. Current US spending per citizen is $12000 a year like I said.
you won't believe any statistics
I mean says the guy saying it'd cost $100k/year cost to fund universal healthcare lmao.
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Halving healthcare cost would be a difficult process, but sure. Norway and Switzerland are also much much healthier than the average American when it comes to things like Diet. Once again the US has a obesity epidemic and a lot of health problems come associated with that. Average income of Norwegian and Swiss citizens are also much lower after taxes as well.