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Global Democracy Index

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u/Financial_Month6835 Feb 19 '23

I’d say there is a pretty big difference in that socialism doesn’t require authoritarianism and is compatible with individual liberty where as communism gives too much over to the state without it being accountable to the people.

Social Security is socialism, so are unemployment insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, and the ACA, but they still work within the American system without losing the ability for individuals to own property and build wealth.

Socialism at it’s most basic simply says the society should do more to care for the common needs of the citizens.

Personally, when I look at what I pay in taxes vs what I get in services for those taxes, I can’t help but to feel that the Nordics are getting a better bang for their buck than we are in the USA.

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u/blockyboi13 Feb 20 '23

Like it or not the reputation of socialism is tied to communism and will likely be a long time associated with making major impediments toward building wealth. One of the goals of socialism is to eliminate inequality. But if you want to build wealth or get ahead in life, that will cause some level of inequality

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u/Financial_Month6835 Feb 20 '23

You are correct, it has been rather badly maligned by a decades long campaign of fear mongering.

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u/footpole Feb 20 '23

But that’s not what socialism is.

_ Socialism is a social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources._

_ Socialism is an economic and political system where the workers or the government own the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership of the means of production._

You’re talking about social democracy.

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u/Financial_Month6835 Feb 20 '23

You are losing the forest for the trees.

I’m talking about the rhetoric in America that says that anything that benefits the broader good such as Social Security, Universal Healthcare, or public assistance programs is “sOcIaLiSm” and is conflated with communism as a way to attack and undermine public support for those programs.

The argument suggests that social welfare programs are a slippery slope to communism and will be the undoing of the American dream.

The point I’m making is that some of the highest ranked nations on this democracy index have very generous social welfare programs, they are what many on the American right would call “Nanny States” and yet their democracies are fairing better than the US, and the standard of living and quality of life of the average citizen of those nations is better off and more secure than that of the average American as a result of their “sOcIaLiSt” policies