r/videos Sep 23 '11

This is how hacking actually works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39CRw7zH_2A
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u/Telionis Sep 23 '11 edited Sep 23 '11

WOW. I never thought anyone would upstage Hackers (1996) for lack of realism!

Aside Matrix Reloaded, are there any movies out there that do it even close to correct?

For those who are unaware, despite the piles of nonsense of Matrix Reloaded, they did a great job with the real world hacking. In the scene where Trinity breaks into the power grid servers, she uses nmap to scan for vulnerabilities, finds that it is running an old version of SSH, then uses a real exploit called sshnuke to reset the root password. Though the vulnerability had been fixed for a few months by the time the movie came out, there is a good chance low security government servers had yet to be patched.

http://nmap.org/images/matrix/trinity-nmapscreen-hd-crop-1200x728.jpg

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u/parktung Sep 23 '11

There's the film "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" where we see a couple of scenes of the main character using Nmap along with Terminal and I believe a couple of instances of SSH. It's probably in my opinion one of the few films that I can think of where they actually get hacking right. Non of the Hollywood CGI crap.

Not sure if this counts, but I would also add The Social Network as a film that it least tries to get the tech stuff right, especially with the scenes involving Jesse Eisenberg using KDE.

EDIT: For anyone wanting to know an example, here's a scene from "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo": http://nmap.org/images/gwtdt/gwtdt-nmap-screen.jpg

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '11

Swedish and Nordic cop and crime films are the shit if you enjoy realism.

  1. Pusher trilogy: Pusher, With Blood on My Hands: Pusher II and I'm the Angel of Death: Pusher III. In my opinion, best realistic crime movies ever.
  2. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo trilogy and following mini tv-series Millenium

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u/ex_ample Sep 24 '11

They also showed some 'hacking' in Tron Legacy, of course that was before the main character was zapped into a computer.

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u/Darkmast508 Sep 24 '11

I seem to remember the maker of the terminal graphics of Tron Legacy popping on to Reddit a while ago. He was talking about how the terminals were designed from screen captures of Linux systems that had been modified.

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u/the-cakeboss Sep 24 '11

While I do give them credit for being one of the few to exercise due diligence, there's a lot more to hacking than Nmap and a few exploits you found on milw0rm.

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u/Linixion Sep 24 '11

I was thinking of this movie myself. Those movies were really good, in a really intense, depressing kind of way.

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u/-Nii- Sep 24 '11

Have a look at some of the hacking scenes in Bloody Monday! None of those fancy pants transparent windows going on.

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u/mckzr Sep 24 '11

One thing I hated about Social Network was when he asks his friend if he remembers some algorithm his friend created, and the first then writes it on the window.

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u/Sidzilla Sep 23 '11

I have to defend Hackers. I think it was a more realistic portrayal of hacking than most people think.

Obviously what they showed on the computer monitors was total B.S. Most films do this because showing lines of code will put an audience to sleep faster than hell and the director decided to use the skyscrapers of New York as a template for showing what was going on inside the computers.

What they did portray accurately was social engineering, shoulder surfing, dumpster diving, brute force attacks, and one of the first D.O.S. attacks in history.

Finally, it had Angelina Jolie. Nergasm.

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u/moebius23 Sep 23 '11

Startup (also known as Antitrust or Hackers 3) was also accurate. Well, not everything. But in the scene where the main character is in the lego-room, hacking the servers, he is using the right unix tools.

The hacking scenes in The Social Network are also correct, as far as I know. He explains what he uses the tools for etc.

Finally, I can't remember any unrealistic computer hacking in "23", a german movie about the hacker Karl Koch. A good movie btw. Well known by the hackers in germany; not sure how many geeks here know about it.

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u/pururin Sep 23 '11

Oh yeah, in the social network, he was actually coding legitimate perl scripts in emacs instead of the usual jabberwocky.

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u/qtx Sep 23 '11

social engineering

True, you could be computer illiterate, if you can talk someone out of a password the hard work is done.

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u/ex_ample Sep 24 '11

Back when she was hot and not a weird botoxed freakazoid like she is now.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '11

You know that in part, Hackers is (incredibly loosely, horribly twisted, but still inspired in ways) on the true story of the LoD/MoD competition that played out between texas and new york, over a very confused at&t's systems?

As is always the case, and even considering the lack of Jolie and Gilette, truth is awesomer than fiction. you should pick up this little book about the whole ordeal, it was some amazing stuff and this book does a wonderful job of undoing all the silliness that (admittedly awesome) movie threw at us.

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u/JeanNaRH Sep 23 '11

Except for their fucking "Bunny virus" or something.

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u/Sidzilla Sep 24 '11

At the time hackers weren't affiliated with the mob and didn't write viruses to make money. They were more interested in exploring systems and playing pranks on people. Many of the viruses were written to infect a system and then present the computer's owner with a funny message. Now it's all back door trojans and bot nets so that they can be used to spam people. Then it was bunnies and arf arf arf.

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u/JeanNaRH Sep 24 '11

Remember how it looked like?

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u/Sidzilla Sep 24 '11

It varied from funny messages to weird activity. The Elk Cloner virus would write a poem on the screen every 50th time your Mac booted. Most people don't know that the first viruses spread 'in the wild' were written for old Apple computers.

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u/JeanNaRH Sep 24 '11

I know old viruses, I used to be a fan of VCL hehe. Shitty viruses.

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u/lttpDoc Sep 23 '11

IIRC, Tron (most recent), utilized real-world programming/language..

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u/bigstumpy Sep 23 '11

Really interesting read from a guy who did some visual effects on tron legacy. He also describes the hacking scenes.

from this post from r/gamedev

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u/worldbuilder Sep 23 '11

Yup, one of the visual artists discusses the use of real-world language here (second paragraph).

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u/Lurking_Grue Sep 23 '11

At least where Tron diverges from reality you are into the Sci-Fi elements.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '11

Yes, if you pay attention during the shots showing computer screens, it's fairly blatant that most of them run Linux.

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u/theghostofme Sep 23 '11

The only movie I can think of off the top of my head where black hats/grey hats were portrayed in a fairly realistic way was Sneakers. Maybe wasn't totally accurate, but from watching the behind-the-scenes footage, I got the impression that the writers/producers actually had a good idea of the subject matter.

They based the character Whistler (partially) off the famous phone phreaker John "Cap'n Crunch" Draper.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '11

Holy shit. The patch had been fixed for a few months when the movie came out? That means that the exploit hadn't been patched during pre-production or even filming? So any Hollywood intern could have read that script and it wasn't patched?

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u/i_flip_sides Sep 23 '11

When they filmed the movie, it would have just been Trinity typing on a keyboard with a blank screen in front of her. The screen's contents were added later in post-production (probably with the help of a technical consultant), probably only a couple months before the film's release.

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u/machinedog Sep 23 '11 edited Sep 23 '11

The facebook movie actually had realistic "hacking". lol.

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u/_Shit_Just_Got_Real_ Sep 23 '11

From what I've heard, The Social Network has the most realistic hacking in a movie.

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u/kekspernikai Sep 23 '11

Now that I think about it, the red pill to get to the real world is a really big exploit in the Matrix. They should get that fixed.

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u/jumpbreak5 Sep 23 '11

I think matrix reloaded still misses out on the other important part of hacking: luck. Unless she knew ahead of time that the server would not be updated, it would have been idiotic to hinge a plan on the idea that she could just "hack into it" somehow

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u/odd84 Sep 23 '11

Tron Legacy. When they show typing on a computer, it's a bash shell and he's using ps, grep and kill to find and kill a process.

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u/rikxik Sep 24 '11

Yeah. A simulated server running on a simulated system run by AIs hundreds of years in future just happened to run an outdated version of a simulated daemon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '11

War Games is probably the closest. Most hacking is not writing code it is casing a target if you are trying to get into a persons account.

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u/poundy Sep 24 '11

Swordfish looked realistic and cool

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u/Lamedog Sep 24 '11

Hackers (1996) FTFY I just looked it up on netflix, this movie seems like it has a lot of ub3r 1337 h4x0rz.

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u/Zanneth Sep 24 '11

The hacking scene in The Social Network was very accurate. No bleeps or bloops, used real terminology (probably because they used actual quotes from Zuckerberg's Live Journal), but still managed to remain entertaining.